Trump voters: do you regret your vote?

[TexanStar]

This seems like a good place to ask this question given the recent comments. Wouldn’t raising the minimum wage just make things more expensive? Also wouldn’t that make things even harder on the people who currently make above minimum wage but don’t make a lot? What I mean is that let’s say I make $18 an hour and minimum wage is raise to $15 an hour I’m not getting a raise of anything I just became even poorer right?

The legal embezzlement of funds by CEOs and the influence of wall street are the predominant negative factors on worker pay.

The concept of a minimum wage is fine, but the reality in light of the above are what you say... raising the minimum wage just ends up raising inflation, making employers put more work on fewer employees lowering the employment rate, etc. It tries to treat a symptom of corporate corruption without addressing the cause and the end result is fruitless.

 

[StormfrontFL]

The legal embezzlement of funds by CEOs and the influence of wall street are the predominant negative factors on worker pay.

The concept of a minimum wage is fine, but the reality in light of the above are what you say... raising the minimum wage just ends up raising inflation, making employers put more work on fewer employees lowering the employment rate, etc. It tries to treat a symptom of corporate corruption without addressing the cause and the end result is fruitless.

This is the way it always goes. The ones at the top demand higher pay and bonuses so prices go up, bonuses shrink or disappear for the lower rungs, pay wages stay stagnant, and hiring is nil.
Just a thought, there are those who say that if someone will not work for the pay that's offered there is someone who will. Suppose the top guy's salary is capped at a lower level. If he or she balks they can be replaced with someone who will work for that.If every business does this then they have no choice. At least that is the argument usually made against raising the minimum wage.

 

[wd656166248]

What's your solution, then? Or do you see any problem in the first place?

I don’t have a solution I’m asking a question to get a better understanding.

 

[deleted15807]

How it works:

Republicans have rigged the system for years. Democrats are finally fighting back.

The fact that at least some Pennsylvania Republicans responded to unfavorable rulings from the Supreme Courts of both their state and the federal government with “This isn’t over yet!” shows just how committed they are to setting the rules of the game in their favor. Here are the key techniques they’ve used:
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• • Vote suppression laws making it more difficult to register and vote, which fall more heavily on populations more likely to vote for Democrats, particularly African Americans. These include voter ID, restrictions on early voting, purging voter rolls and limiting polling places.
  • Aggressive gerrymandering to draw districts maximizing the number of seats they hold.
  • In places where they have a party advantage, putting partisan labeling on previously nonpartisan elections, especially for judgeships.
  • Laws limiting the power and political organizing of labor unions, particularly in the Midwest where unions have traditionally been strong.
  • Turning nonpartisan agencies and boards overseeing elections into partisan entities controlled by Republicans.
  • Changing campaign finance laws to undermine public financing and allow more big-money influence.
  • Efforts to undermine the independence of state court systems.

This is part of a concerted effort, but Republicans have also acted in an ad hoc way when opportunities present themselves. For instance, when a Democrat was elected governor of North Carolina in 2016, the Republican legislature rushed to pass a series of bills before he took office limiting his power, especially when it came to appointing the members of election boards. Nobody had ever thought of it before, but that’s part of the genius of the GOP: It isn’t constrained by traditional norms.
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[TexanStar]

This is the way it always goes. The ones at the top demand higher pay and bonuses so prices go up, bonuses shrink or disappear for the lower rungs, pay wages stay stagnant, and hiring is nil.
Just a thought, there are those who say that if someone will not work for the pay that's offered there is someone who will. Suppose the top guy's salary is capped at a lower level. If he or she balks they can be replaced with someone who will work for that.If every business does this then they have no choice. At least that is the argument usually made against raising the minimum wage.

There was already a study which found that CEO pay has absolutely no corellation to CEO performance (CEO's paid a reasonable salary for the position are just as likely to excel, CEO's with massive pay and golden parachutes are just as likely to suck).

Overall, the high CEO pay is just one more way for the rich to steal from the poor/middle classes and give to the rich. Within the US economy at least, it's just one component to the now decades long stagnation in working class pay.

Politicians on both the left and the right in our government are rich and in favor of continuing this discrepancy so I don't forsee it changing any time in the near future. Minimum wage laws are just kind of a distraction to dangle in front of the masses while the profits they earn for their company are funneled out to upper management and investors.

 

[Industrialsize]

Overall, the high CEO pay is just one more way for the rich to steal from the poor/middle classes and give to the rich. Within the US economy at least, it's just one component to the now decades long stagnation in working class pay.

Politicians on both the left and the right in our government are rich and in favor of continuing this discrepancy so I don't forsee it changing any time in the near future. Minimum wage laws are just kind of a distraction to dangle in front of the masses while the profits they earn for their company are funneled out to upper management and investors.

Please name one politician on "the left" who is in favor of massive pay and golden parachutes for CEOs.

 

[TexanStar]

Please name one politician on "the left" who is in favor of massive pay and golden parachutes for CEOs.

Most of them? The failure of Bill Clinton's CEO pay reform

It's sleight of hand. You pledge you're going to do something. You write a bill that does something. You include a massive loophole which negates everything the rest of the bill does.

It's how, as a politician, you pretend like you want change when really you want to preserve the status quo.

I can't name one Democrat who will state on the record that they're in favor of massive CEO pay and golden parachutes, but behind closed doors when all that greasy lobbyist money exchanges hands, this is how you keep the existing mechanisms in play while being able to put on a smiling face to all your uninformed masses about how hard you're fighting for them.

Quit being a sucker.

Edit: fixed the hyperlink for the politico article

 

[Industrialsize]

Most of them? The failure of Bill Clinton's CEO pay reform

It's sleight of hand. You pledge you're going to do something. You write a bill that does something. You include a massive loophole which negates everything the rest of the bill does.

It's how, as a politician, you pretend like you want change when really you want to preserve the status quo.

I can't name one Democrat who will state on the record that they're in favor of massive CEO pay and golden parachutes, but behind closed doors when all that greasy lobbyist money exchanges hands, this is how you keep the existing mechanisms in play while being able to put on a smiling face to all your uninformed masses about how hard you're fighting for them.

Quit being a sucker.

As I suspected, you wouldn't be able to name a single person.

 

[TexanStar]

As I suspected, you wouldn't be able to name a single person.

Yeah man, you won that argument. I bet pay relief is right around the corner! I can feel my wallet getting fatter already.

 

[Industrialsize]

Yeah man, you won that argument. I bet pay relief is right around the corner! I can feel my wallet getting fatter already.

I was pointing out that part of your post was based on your opinion and not on any facts in evidence.

 

[TexanStar]

I was pointing out that part of your post was based on your opinion and not on any facts in evidence.

Yes, that is my opinion.

 

[StormfrontFL]

There was already a study which found that CEO pay has absolutely no corellation to CEO performance (CEO's paid a reasonable salary for the position are just as likely to excel, CEO's with massive pay and golden parachutes are just as likely to suck).

Overall, the high CEO pay is just one more way for the rich to steal from the poor/middle classes and give to the rich. Within the US economy at least, it's just one component to the now decades long stagnation in working class pay.

Politicians on both the left and the right in our government are rich and in favor of continuing this discrepancy so I don't forsee it changing any time in the near future. Minimum wage laws are just kind of a distraction to dangle in front of the masses while the profits they earn for their company are funneled out to upper management and investors.

The only reason I argue for an increase in the minimum wage is in hopes that the issue of wage discrepancy is addressed. While we focus on the crumbs the top dogs take the loaves.

 

[Elmer Gantry]

Then yell at the shareholders. That's who keeps approving the ridiculous sums that US corporations pay their upper management.

 

[umdoistressilvaquatro]

Then yell at the shareholders. That's who keeps approving the ridiculous sums that US corporations pay their upper management.

Shareholders are not democratically elected. Also, if you yell repeatedly to a person you might be arrested for harassment, even if it is someone who's legally bound to hear you. Which is not the case; shareholders don't answer to you in any way.
Can't we have this discussion somewhere else? I wanted to hear someone say if they are regretful of their vote for Trump, and why.

 

[Elmer Gantry]

It's been 20 pages so far with no bites.........

 

[TexanStar]

Then yell at the shareholders. That's who keeps approving the ridiculous sums that US corporations pay their upper management.

There's no shareholder meeting where everyone who has a share attends. Those shares are tied up in retirement funds. It's the big banks and such voting on those salaries and they use those salaries as bribes to get CEOs to pursue short term gains over long term by funneling a distorted share of corporate profits back to the banks at the expense of the employees.

Look at all the shit Costco was given for paying their employees a few bucks an hour above Walmart.

 

[b.c.]

It's been 20 pages so far with no bites.........

The "bite' is that, out of 69 Trump voters who responded to date, only six of them said they regret their vote, which is proof positive of the overwhelming obstinacy, denial, willful ignorance, or COMPLICITY on the part of MOST Trump voters regarding Trump's positions, actions, and statements.

In essence PROOF that MOST of them really ARE as DEPLORABLE as we THOUGHT.

 

[Elmer Gantry]

You can think all you like, they haven't regretted it (yet).

And if shareholders are that disenfranchised in the USA then half of your democracy is already under water. Forget your SJW's crying at the sky because their favourite brand of criminal wasn't elected, shareholder activism can be a powerful tool when wielded correctly.

 

[b.c.]

You can think all you like, they haven't regretted it (yet).

And if shareholders are that disenfranchised in the USA then half of your democracy is already under water. Forget your SJW's crying at the sky because their favourite brand of criminal wasn't elected, shareholder activism can be a powerful tool when wielded correctly.

"Social justice warriors crying at the sky"? "Favorite brand of criminal"? Riiiiiiiiiiight. Like I said, Spit it OUT. Tell us what you REALLY think, why dotcha.

Thanks for revealing more of your narrow-minded, bigoted perspective. I SO love it when a complete picture of THAT type of mentality comes together.

Sure beats having to waltz around in circles with phony platitudes uttered under the PRETENSE of open minded, unbiased, rational thought...

... DON'T IT!

 

[chrisrobin]

Once upon a time in a long bygone age one felt proud to be American.
Once it felt good to look the world in the eye and know you had respect because you were American
Once the word of an American was taken as his bond, a man you could trust.
alas
those days have gone
possibly 40% of the population are proud to be savants of Trump who thinks he is America.
It is so sad these days to hear Americans appearing on television in other countries apologising for being American. To meet people overseas who try to disguise they are American, to hide the shame.

Gosh, talk about emptying the swamp, a guy who beat up 2 wives . working in the White house (where staff knew about the allegations) in-cleared for security. A speech writer turns into another wife beater, the President himself accused of unwarranted sexual advances (but the porn star got paid off - how many off the others?) nominees supported by the President himself accused of underage sexual activities and sons accused of trying to buy Russian information to blacken another candidate.
But best a resident who claims to be transparent blocking a rebuttal memo from the Democrats...
Proud to be American?