Trump Will Win In 2020

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Let me start off by saying I'm not a Trump fan. I didn't vote for him in 2016, and I definitely will not vote for him in November 2020. But, by judging the Progressive Vs Centrist arguments that have been going on in Liberal chat rooms. I've come to the conclusion that the Democratic party is in big trouble. They are eating each other whole. And not in a good way. Meanwhile, the DNC is not appealing to Independents, Libertarians, or Republicans who want to break from their party. The Democrats are becoming extremists only appealing to their base. They are becoming the very people they hate in Trump supporters. It's just ultra progressive instead of ultra conservative.

Trump's gonna win. And the Dems are going to help him. Your thoughts?
 

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Let me start off by saying I'm not a Trump fan. I didn't vote for him in 2016, and I definitely will not vote for him in November 2020. But, by judging the Progressive Vs Centrist arguments that have been going on in Liberal chat rooms. I've come to the conclusion that the Democratic party is in big trouble. They are eating each other whole. And not in a good way. Meanwhile, the DNC is not appealing to Independents, Libertarians, or Republicans who want to break from their party. The Democrats are becoming extremists only appealing to their base. They are becoming the very people they hate in Trump supporters. It's just ultra progressive instead of ultra conservative.

Trump's gonna win. And the Dems are going to help him. Your thoughts?
So what's the answer? Appeal to centrists, Libertarians (Republicans by a different name), and disenchanted Republicans? By doing so the Democrats would show themselves to be no different than Republicans. Why buy the fake if you can have the real thing?
Appealing to the "others" might attract them but what of the base already there? Would ignoring them in order to bring the other side over keep them motivated? It would be showing that true liberals and progressives don't matter.

For too many years the Democrats have tried to walk the middle of the road, veering slightly to the left and that hasn't worked very well. Maybe being the true opposite of the GOP is what's needed? Granted, some ideas may be a bit too radical but that's where the far left and the slightly left need to come together and work towards a solution. All I can say is that being Republican-Lite isn't the solution.
 

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Let me start off by saying I'm not a Trump fan. I didn't vote for him in 2016, and I definitely will not vote for him in November 2020. But, by judging the Progressive Vs Centrist arguments that have been going on in Liberal chat rooms. I've come to the conclusion that the Democratic party is in big trouble. They are eating each other whole. And not in a good way. Meanwhile, the DNC is not appealing to Independents, Libertarians, or Republicans who want to break from their party. The Democrats are becoming extremists only appealing to their base. They are becoming the very people they hate in Trump supporters. It's just ultra progressive instead of ultra conservative.

Trump's gonna win. And the Dems are going to help him. Your thoughts?

Democrats are not ever going to win libertarian voters. They as a group are pretty worthless in terms of their expectations for government, so no loss there. Pre-election chat is always misleading because it is the more vocal elements speaking out and the middle mass stays fairly silent. Democrats have some problems - any number of the herd running would better serve themselves focusing on the Senate and House races or even State House races - the country would be better served as well. There is always a cannibal like scrum when there is no incumbent in the WH. The GOP did something similar in 2016. Remember the clown car that was running then?

The candidates I've seen that are making the most progress are Warren, Mayor Pete, and maybe Corey Booker. Most of the others are treading or sinking. Beto needs to go back to Texas and focus on another Senate race while he still can. He still has no specific ideas other than he was 'born to be in it.' Biden will see an erosion as people realize there are other choices that are not raging commies. His hyper flexibility on changing long held positions is not helping, even as I prefer his new positions. His age and his past will kill him. Bernie is still a mystery to me. He's done a lot of things right this time he did not do before, but there are more people sharing some of the same or 'Bernie light' positions. Also some of his support last time was from people who wanted to send a message to Hillary to move to the left - which she did. They were not hard core Bernie people and they are looking at other choices now. Bernie has done much better at building down ballot support, especially in 2016, and he is currently encouraging a lot of service sector workers to organize. We will see if it pays a dividend,

As to the party itself, well we do chaos pretty well. It was out of a doomed herd like this one that nominated Carter and he won. Reagan also emerged out of a crowded GOP field - and was initially considered unelectable. Ditto Trump. And Obama had no chance at all either time as I recall.

It's early, don't panic. Remember the words of America's best pundit - Will Rogers - "I do not belong to any organized political party, I am a Democrat."
 

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So what's the answer? Appeal to centrists, Libertarians (Republicans by a different name), and disenchanted Republicans? By doing so the Democrats would show themselves to be no different than Republicans. Why buy the fake if you can have the real thing?
Appealing to the "others" might attract them but what of the base already there? Would ignoring them in order to bring the other side over keep them motivated? It would be showing that true liberals and progressives don't matter.

For too many years the Democrats have tried to walk the middle of the road, veering slightly to the left and that hasn't worked very well. Maybe being the true opposite of the GOP is what's needed? Granted, some ideas may be a bit too radical but that's where the far left and the slightly left need to come together and work towards a solution. All I can say is that being Republican-Lite isn't the solution.

Exactly. Thank you.
 

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You're partially right, but the left has one thing that bonds them, from left leaning centrists to the extreme left, and that is Trump. I think everyone on the left understands that Trump needs to go, even if it means voting for someone who isn't as far left as you would like, or is farther to the left than you would like. I don't see the 2020 election being one in which a third party takes a significant portion of the vote.
 

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You're partially right, but the left has one thing that bonds them, from left leaning centrists to the extreme left, and that is Trump. I think everyone on the left understands that Trump needs to go, even if it means voting for someone who isn't as far left as you would like, or is farther to the left than you would like. I don't see the 2020 election being one in which a third party takes a significant portion of the vote.

Yes, but . . . I still see any third party candidate as helping Trump regardless of their positions. Any third party vote absolutely is a vote for Trump.
 
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Yes, but . . . I still see any third party candidate as helping Trump regardless of their positions. Any third party vote absolutely is a vote for Trump.

I don't know if that is necessarily accurate, either. There are a lot of Republicans that would prefer a candidate that is more conventional. Especially now that we see Trumps support starting to falter among some republican representatives in the house.

Either way, my point is that I think there will be less third party votes from the left because they recognize the need for Trump to be gone. Nobody likes having to vote for the lesser of two evils, but sometimes its an obvious choice.
 
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So what's the answer? Appeal to centrists, Libertarians (Republicans by a different name), and disenchanted Republicans? By doing so the Democrats would show themselves to be no different than Republicans. Why buy the fake if you can have the real thing?
Appealing to the "others" might attract them but what of the base already there? Would ignoring them in order to bring the other side over keep them motivated? It would be showing that true liberals and progressives don't matter.

For too many years the Democrats have tried to walk the middle of the road, veering slightly to the left and that hasn't worked very well. Maybe being the true opposite of the GOP is what's needed? Granted, some ideas may be a bit too radical but that's where the far left and the slightly left need to come together and work towards a solution. All I can say is that being Republican-Lite isn't the solution.
I agree with this. Though I think he is somewhat correct re. that part about Democrats tending to eat each other. We take our strongest candidates and pick them apart on s---- that pales in comparison to what Republicans COMPLETELY IGNORE in their own candidates.
 

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I don't know if that is necessarily accurate, either. There are a lot of Republicans that would prefer a candidate that is more conventional. Especially now that we see Trumps support starting to falter among some republican representatives in the house.

Either way, my point is that I think there will be less third party votes from the left because they recognize the need for Trump to be gone. Nobody likes having to vote for the lesser of two evils, but sometimes its an obvious choice.

Any third party votes at all, even one, is a vote for Donald Trump. This is an either or election. Any third party vote is a vote for Trump, period - there is no other way to look at it. His base will not crack. Any vote for a third party candidate absolutely makes Trump stronger, and undermines the possibility of change. Even one. "Less" is still too many.

Trump's supporters faltered when the sex tape came out - i.e. the pussy grabbing tape, yet on election day the minions voted for Trump - or a third party protest vote. How did that work out? Any third party vote is a vote for Trump.
 

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Trump will win, america showed its pathetic / ugly side most of us knew has always been there. He is an utter catalyst for the the far right and has given a blank check to all racists and radical home grown white terrorists

The ONLY chance dems have is if they put either Yang / Gabbart / Beuttegege / Sanders / Warren forward
 
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Wow the trolls are out early.

This division in th US is reflection of our values, not our politics. The Democrats want to protect human rights, protect the environment, take care of our children, have a living wage for all, and provide decent healthcare and education. Democrats call that freedom.

Republicans want to make sure only the white hetrosexual rich Christian males are in charge, have state control over female reproductive organs, the rich and big corporations pay no taxes, guns are everywhere and unrestricted, an evangelical religious theocracy determines our societal norms, deny science and call it a hoax, burn as much coal and oil as possible, poison the environment if doing so boosts Wall Street profits, and eliminate collective bargaining. Republicans call that freedom.

Now! Are we just divided, or has half the county lost its mind?

People are not rational, they are emotional. This is not a distinction between left and right, this is a distinction between reality and fantasy. Dictators are very good at creating fantasies. That's how they acquire power. Their fantasies appeal to emotional responses. This what Republicans have done to take power. The Democrats are stuck with reality and reality is a much harder sell. It's tough to make things work. Fantasies, not so much.
 

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Well, if the Democratic party take most of their cues from their counterparts here in California, I won't be celebrating a Dem in office come 2020. The Democrats here in CA are a special kind of stupid.
 
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Because the "Dem" party is RADICAL left. The right is the same, it just seems further right because the left has gone so far out. Trump won because more centralist people voted red. The left are going more and more towards communism.


Case point?? Who would have thought saying "socialism is not the answer" would result in so much backlash from American's left. It's time to keep red, for the sake of staying TF away from socialism.

He said "progressive goals" by the way. Progressive has turned radical. There's nothing progressive about homelessness in big cities that want socialism.

They legit want 100% job guarantees, government ran healthcare and government jobs. This is sick!!
 

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Wow the trolls are out early.

This division in th US is reflection of our values, not our politics. The Democrats want to protect human rights, protect the environment, take care of our children, have a living wage for all, and provide decent healthcare and education. Democrats call that freedom.

Republicans want to make sure only the white hetrosexual rich Christian males are in charge, have state control over female reproductive organs, the rich and big corporations pay no taxes, guns are everywhere and unrestricted, an evangelical religious theocracy determines our societal norms, deny science and call it a hoax, burn as much coal and oil as possible, poison the environment if doing so boosts Wall Street profits, and eliminate collective bargaining. Republicans call that freedom.

Now! Are we just divided, or has half the county lost its mind?

People are not rational, they are emotional. This is not a distinction between left and right, this is a distinction between reality and fantasy. Dictators are very good at creating fantasies. That's how they acquire power. Their fantasies appeal to emotional responses. This what Republicans have done to take power. The Democrats are stuck with reality and reality is a much harder sell. It's tough to make things work. Fantasies, not so much.

First of all. Human rights are being protected by the right. Can you give an example where a HUMAN RIGHT is being squandered by the right? Because I can tell you right now that abortion literally kills humans... And you say the left wants to protect HUMANS?!? FFS.

Radical left: "lets allow mothers to kill individual humans because it's 'woke' and 'her body', oh but WE FIGHT FOR HUMAN RIGHTS":emoji_sweat_smile: Sorry huh, but if a man doesn't want to make a gay dude (even me) a cake, then fuck him and go somewhere else. That's not a violation of HUMAN RIGHTS. I don't think you have a grip on what that is. Killing babies = good, not making a cake = HORRIBLE. LOL

"Provide a living wage for all" - how about not tax people to death in places like California? This increases rent, housing prices and goods in stores who operate in these properties. Thus, increasing costs all around. What about gas? $4.11 a gallon here. LIVING WAGE IS DIFFERENT THAN MINIMUM WAGE. Dems don't get this. They push for $15 an hour throughout the entire country when $15 is worth different amounts based on the state one is living in. I think $15 an hour is NOT an adequate living wage without government help for a family in California. In Wisconsin, however, $15 an hour would CRUSH businesses. LA recently just voted through MOB RULE to increase housing taxes. I work at a firm in DL LA and I know at least 10 people selling multiple homes to live elsewhere because of it. California is already a mini socialist state without the amount of power the nation would hold. It's a fucking mess.

How about Trump getting more jobs out there? Once it reaches a certain amount (it certainly has), wages go up. Competition for jobs begins when there are more jobs than there are people to fill them. People can shop for the best 'deal' with jobs, and owners will pay more for work. This is CAPITALISM at work.

"Republicans want to make sure only the white hetrosexual rich Christian males are in charge"
^^^^^^^^^

Here we go again! Another race baiter. Someone who can't see through skin color and sex to see that we Republicans happened to vote for someone we like, regardless of what gender or race they are. But we're the sexist and racist ones? This is all the left sees. Even then, historically this is true for Dems as well. Hillary is a cunt, but she's also a woman. Who gives a shit? A cunt is a cunt.:emoji_nail_care:

"Now! Are we just divided, or has half the county lost its mind?"

Inclusive or, yes to both. The left has divided our country by going SO FAR to the left (thus allowing Trump to win) and they also have lost their minds. Socialism?!?!? REALLY? This system was legit made as a means for a road to communism. It's actually REALLY SUCCESSFUL at doing so! Move to Venezuela if you want socialism :D

I can't with you people. Some of y'all pretend like your shit doesn't stink. Your "new" and "progressive" ideas are garbage and history is a great source for this. There's no sexism, racism, ect. in this, I 100000% disagree fundamentally with such a radical party. Then to call a Republican president putting America first and empowering his people by keeping his promises a dictator? Really? Who's the delusional one again? Sheesh.

In all seriousness, you're the poster child for what the left is. :emoji_disappointed_relieved: