Trumps america

[chicagosam]

Have you passed a mirror lately?

 

[Jjz1109]

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"...the most extraordinary moment..."???

Oh please! WTF is Van Jones talking about?
As if other presidents haven't expressed similar sentiments and acknowledgments? And this ass has deflected any responsibility for his fuckup.

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Oh please? Hey, this is the same van jones that cried on election night "what do I tell my children?!" If he can move on .....

 

[deleted15807]

Isn't the party line that CNN is fake news?

So fake it was banned but viola it has been redeemed resurrected

 

[Klingsor]

You know, hate is hate. If he didn't acknowlege Owens, you libs would be screaming. And the fact that he did, and has received such praise for his words, its killing you guys. Which way do you want it?

Perhaps acknowledging or not acknowledging the fallen soldier is less important than looking at the objectives, planning, and execution of operation--all of which seem to have been questionable at best.

 

[b.c.]

Acknowledging Owens' widow was the worst kind of cynical string-pulling imaginable. Trump killed her husband by ordering a mission that had not been properly assessed for its danger. The dead man's father refused to meet Trump on the return of his son's body. This will ultimately be a dark strain on Trump's already stained moral integrity.

SHE hadn't originally planned on showing either. They "worked with her":

"Trump invited Carryn Owens, the widow of slain Navy SEAL William (Ryan) Owens, to be a guest at his speech during a Jan. 30 call in which he expressed his condolences for her loss, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said Wednesday. But she didn't decide to join him as a guest for his joint address to Congress until just hours before the speech, during a visit to the White House.

"The president invited her and her three children to the White House and during that call said ….’If you would feel comfortable I would like to have you as a guest,’" Spicer said. "We worked with her to decide what would be within her best interest and her family’s best interest.""

SEAL widow's appearance was her last-minute decision: White House - NY Daily News

 

[Mercurygirl]

Poor liberals, eternally butt hurt.

Love it.

Look, we don't expect you to help, we know full well at this point you're going to hate and lay down in traffic over everything Trump says or does no matter if you once supported, hell, championed, the exact same issue or not. Just do the rest of country a solid and get out of the way for awhile so we can clean up the 8 year mess you all made. We have a lot of work to do and it's no place for an army of out of touch spoiled brats.

May I suggest a couple of months (4 years would be so ducky) at a political and cultural rehab of sorts? Help you all lose that condescending SJW resting bitch face.

Honestly, what with the Democrat party in total disarray, fractured, you really have no business leading a Hollywood Walk of Fame tour group never mind the soon to be "great again" United States of America.

So, first, get your shit together liberals. Get back to your roots then we can talk. As it stands you don't even sound remotely like liberals anymore but instead some hideous morphed ideology/love child (heavy on the child) of Karl Marx and Mitt Romney.

 

[Jjz1109]

Perhaps acknowledging or not acknowledging the fallen soldier is less important than looking at the objectives, planning, and execution of operation--all of which seem to have been questionable at best.

Really? Far be it for me to comment as I know very little about the behind the scenes, or the execution, of these extraordinarily complex special ops missions. Perhaps you will share you insights and expertise with our brilliant military leaders.

Do you forget a helicopter was lost during the raid on bin laden? By the grace of God, and some good old luck, that ended well for our military, not so much for bin laden.

 

[Jjz1109]

SHE hadn't originally planned on showing either. They "worked with her":

"Trump invited Carryn Owens, the widow of slain Navy SEAL William (Ryan) Owens, to be a guest at his speech during a Jan. 30 call in which he expressed his condolences for her loss, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said Wednesday. But she didn't decide to join him as a guest for his joint address to Congress until just hours before the speech, during a visit to the White House.

"The president invited her and her three children to the White House and during that call said ….’If you would feel comfortable I would like to have you as a guest,’" Spicer said. "We worked with her to decide what would be within her best interest and her family’s best interest.""

SEAL widow's appearance was her last-minute decision: White House - NY Daily News

Right. More bitterness from the left. . .

http://www.infowars.com/ex-hillary-...y-widow-honored-during-trump-speech-an-idiot/

 

[b.c.]

What? Congressional Republicans won't jump at the chance to spend a TRILLION dollars on infrastructure?

You're so damn cynical.

Well they blocked Obama's infrastructure bill, but now that it's Trump, they'll probably give it the old rubber stamp. Problem being, Trump ALSO wants to slash corporate taxes and SAYS (IF you're a believer in bullshit) he's going to cut taxes for the average American too.

So far he's only raised them:

On His First Day in Office, Trump Raises Taxes on Middle-Class Homebuyers

 

[Klingsor]

Really? Far be it for me to comment as I know very little about the behind the scenes, or the execution, of these extraordinarily complex special ops missions. Perhaps you will share you insights and expertise with our brilliant military leaders.

I'm no expert. But according to reports by NBC, CNN, The Guardian, and Reuters, several senior military officials have discussed in detail how the planning and execution of the mission were botched--leading John McCain, a man with far more military credentials than I'll ever possess, to call the raid a "failure."

Trump won’t accept responsibility for deadly SEAL raid he approved over dinner, blames Obama

Of course, we may never know the full story. But I still think these are the real concerns to address--not how Trump presented a soldier's widow before Congress.

 

[b.c.]

Regarding the raid and Trump's claims as to who planned it:

Former Obama official: Trump’s deadly Yemen raid wasn’t planned under Obama’s watch - Salon.com

Regarding Trump's claim that much valuable intel came of the raid:

Nightly News - Ten Senior Officials Say No Valuable Intel Produced from Yemen Raid - NBC News

 

[Klingsor]

Look, we don't expect you to help, we know full well at this point you're going to hate and lay down in traffic over everything Trump says or does no matter if you once supported, hell, championed, the exact same issue or not.

Really? After the last eight years, you don't see the irony?

 

[ozwestcoastboy]

 

[Jjz1109]

Well they blocked Obama's infrastructure bill, but now that it's Trump, they'll probably give it the old rubber stamp. Problem being, Trump ALSO wants to slash corporate taxes and SAYS (IF you're a believer in bullshit) he's going to cut taxes for the average American too.

So far he's only raised them:

On His First Day in Office, Trump Raises Taxes on Middle-Class Homebuyers

Very misleading. Fake news. Not sure how a proposed cut, yet to go into effect, is now interpreted as a tax increase. The proposal was approved in the final days by the obama administration, a sort of playful f-you by the departing administration, and a way to force the incoming administration's hand on a liberal policy. After the real estate crash during the financial crisis, reducing the premiums may not be the best direction to go in. Trump is trying to tighten budgets and reallocate where he can, so reversing something BEFORE it goes into effect makes sense.

A tax increase? Not quite.

 

[Klingsor]

Very misleading. Fake news. Not sure how a proposed cut, yet to go into effect, is now interpreted as a tax increase. The proposal was approved in the final days by the obama administration, a sort of playful f-you by the departing administration, and a way to force the incoming administration's hand on a liberal policy. After the real estate crash during the financial crisis, reducing the premiums may not be the best direction to go in. Trump is trying to tighten budgets and reallocate where he can, so reversing something BEFORE it goes into effect makes sense.

A tax increase? Not quite.

Not sure why you're bringing in all the backstory. The crux of the matter is, middle-class home owners were set to get some relief on their mortgage insurance premiums; Trump nixed it. You can argue the fiscal policy behind the decision, but the decision is still Trump's to own, and says something about his priorities.

 

[Jjz1109]

Not sure why you're bringing in all the backstory. The crux of the matter is, middle-class home owners were set to get some relief on their mortgage insurance premiums; Trump nixed it. You can argue the fiscal policy behind the decision, but the decision is still Trump's to own, and says something about his priorities.

Yep. No dispute. And we can debate the priorities, to use your word. But to present this under the guise as a tax increase is pure BS. The consumer will not be hit with any increase. It's irresponsible reporting, spin, and again, fake news.

 

[Klingsor]

Yep. No dispute. And we can debate the priorities, to use your word. But to present this under the guise as a tax increase is pure BS. The consumer will not be hit with any increase. It's irresponsible reporting, spin, and again, fake news.

Because of Trump's action, the consumer will pay more than they were going to. I'm not sure it's a huge stretch to call this an "increase."

But people will argue semantics back and forth, with partisan spin on both sides. And so it goes . . .

 

[Jjz1109]

Because of Trump's action, the consumer will pay more than they were going to. I'm not sure it's a huge stretch to call this an "increase."

But people will argue semantics back and forth, with partisan spin on both sides. And so it goes . . .

And so it goes. But to use this as saying taxes increased under trump is disingenuous, and spin, and fake. But it gets the libs attention, and their blood pumping. In today's hightened partisan environment, we need to temper these provactive snipets of "journalism" .

It could also be said the outgoing administration was being intentionally irresponsible with its timing, which is why I provided the backstory. The choice of words by the source goes to the divide in politics with the posturing and manipulation. Also builds an agenda. I had to google the intercept, and an intersting sentence encapsules: "the magazine serves as a platform on the documents released by Edward snowmen in the short term, and to "produce aggressive, adversarial journalism across a wide range of issues" in the long term."

And so it goes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Intercept

 

[Industrialsize]

And so it goes. But to use this as saying taxes increased under trump is disingenuous, and spin, and fake. But it gets the libs attention, and their blood pumping. In today's hightened partisan environment, we need to temper these provactive snipets of "journalism" .

It could also be said the outgoing administration was being intentionally irresponsible with its timing, which is why I provided the backstory. The choice of words by the source goes to the divide in politics with the posturing and manipulation. Also builds an agenda. I had to google the intercept, and an intersting sentence encapsules: "the magazine serves as a platform on the documents released by Edward snowmen in the short term, and to "produce aggressive, adversarial journalism across a wide range of issues" in the long term."

And so it goes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Intercept

Now you are trying to put a spin on it by attacking the source. I don't trust the Intercept either, but that was a story that was reported on by every major news organization.

 

[Jjz1109]

Now you are trying to put a spin on it by attacking the source. I don't trust the Intercept either, but that was a story that was reported on by every major news organization.

Meh. Well, that was the link provided. Neither of these below presented the reversal as a tax increase.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...cancel-obamas-mortgage-premium-cuts/96853446/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwor...pend-the-fha-insurance-rate-cut/#2897402768e4