TSA: "Opting out is not an option."

[B_24065]

I already knew this information because it happened in New Jersey at a PATH station for a two week trial. Hence why I stated the machines started appearing in the United States around 2006 and didn't make any reference as to when they were going to be used as a primary or secondary tool. In fact, it wasn't even necessary to mention it considering that 24065's only objective is to take shots at me for no reason.

Also, after the three day flame war we had in that other TSA thread, I think it's best that you and I no longer have any dialogue. So thanks for assuming you were educating me on something that I not only knew but actually SAW, but I don't need your help.

Facts mean nothing to you. So you threw something out there to rebutt me and HG slammed your ass. Go ahead, take your toys and run along you fucking baby!

 

[B_VinylBoy]

LOL, Getting you all pissed off and foaming at the mouth makes it all totally worth it. Glad to see I succeeded!

What is it with some of your straight boys who think the slightest bit of bitchy scribe equates to anger?

 

[HazelGod]

I already knew this information...

Then this begs the question: why would you ask why the outrage exists now, when it did not before?

 

[luka82]

What is it with some of your straight boys who think the slightest bit of bitchy scribe equates to anger?

They don`t know the gays, then! :wink:

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Then this begs the question: why would you ask why the outrage exists now, when it did not before?

Because the technology has existed for nearly ten years and information about its usage (as well as photos) have been around just as long. With testing in New Jersey, machines installed in Florida courthouses and airports starting to receive them as far back as 2006 on our own shores, you'd think if there was any real reason for concern something would have been said or reported way before John Tyner shouted to the whole world to not "touch his junk". Whether or not the machines were "primary" or "secondary" use is irrelevant here. Any frequent traveler or person who pays attention to news beyond the usual headlines knew that new airline security procedures were looming. I don't think I need to re-explain to you why I think the majority of current "outrage" about these scanners and the TSA pat downs is vehemently disingenuous.

 

[JTalbain]

It doesnt matter if he and his whole family was ganged raped at the airport. Because this is happening on Obama's watch, Vinyl would never criticize it.

Wow. I'm a white mid 20's college student and I've defended Obama more than Vinyl has at times.

Now, wiretapping those with links to terrorist activity, or applying enhanced interrogations to known terrorists under the Bush administration? Those are heinous civil right abuses!!

If you're actually using the words "enhanced interrogation" instead of calling it "torture", then I think your indoctrination is complete.

Its okay to grope and view the naked bodies of millions of innocent civilians, buts its not okay to listen in on suspected terrorists phone conversations. Liberal hypocrisy at its clearest. Or is it just plain stupidity???

There's a difference between groping and examining. One implies a gratuitous and sexual nature, while the other is merely checking for something. I must say that I don't feel violated when my doctor ensures me I don't have testicular cancer.

As for "viewing the naked bodies of millions of innocent civilians...
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d10484t.pdf
"Because the AIT presents a full body image of a person during the screening process, concerns have been expressed that the image is an invasion of privacy. According to TSA, to protect passenger privacy and ensure anonymity, strict privacy safeguards are built into the procedures for use of the AIT. For example, the officer who assists the passenger does not see the image that the technology produces, and the officer who views the image is remotely located in a secure resolution room and does not see the passenger. Officers evaluating images are not permitted to take cameras, cell phones, or photo-enabled devices into the resolution room. To further protect passengers’ privacy, ways have been introduced to blur the passengers’ images. The millimeter-wave technology blurs all facial features, and the backscatter X-ray technology has an algorithm applied to the entire image to protect privacy. Further, TSA has stated that the AIT’s capability to store, print, transmit, or save the image will be disabled at the factory before the machines are delivered to airports, and each image is automatically deleted from the system after it is cleared by the remotely located security officer. Once the remotely located officer determines that threat items are not present, that officer communicates wirelessly to the officer assisting the passenger. The passenger may then continue through the security process."
So yeah, I think the "porn scanner" rhetoric that is being bandied about is completely unfounded.

 

[ModestToo]

I'm just wondering, how many more years are people going to freak out and worry about the big bad terrorists which are comming to get us? We keep giving up personal freedom for safety and everyone seems to be ok with it. Everyone is afraid of everything. Personally, I'd rather have a faster, cheaper process and live with the chance that something bad might happen.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

They don`t know the gays, then! :wink:

Well in the case of the mentally impaired 24065, not knowing anything is something we've all learned to accept around here. But let's not tell him that. Right now, he's probably in the bathroom wanking over the fact that he thinks I'm angry. Kinda sad when someone has to plan a holiday weekend around their LSPG troll sessions.

 

[HazelGod]

Because the technology has existed for nearly ten years and information about its usage (as well as photos) have been around just as long.

So what?

When the technology was introduced, it wasn't deployed as a primary screening mechanism. Now it's being forced upon the traveling public in that capacity.

What you're either failing to grasp, or are obtusely ignoring, is that the outrage isn't solely about the technology, but about how it's being implemented.

TSA has stated that the AIT’s capability to store, print, transmit, or save the image will be disabled at the factory before the machines are delivered to airports, and each image is automatically deleted from the system after it is cleared by the remotely located security officer.

A preposterous claim. Even if you ignore the evidence out in the wild of these images being stored and leaked and assume for the sake of argument that the TSA is being truthful, it would be an idiotic policy to adopt from a security viewpoint. If someone were somehow able to sneak something through the scanner undetected and blow up an airliner, the TSA would have no way to re-examine that person's screening results to analyze it for improving security in the future.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

When the technology was introduced, it wasn't deployed as a primary screening mechanism. Now it's being forced upon the traveling public in that capacity.

It's still irrelevant and further demonstrates more of your blatant dishonesty. When it was just a metal detector, the procedures were still the same. If you don't want the scanner, you can always go for a public or private pat down. In other words, and as you admitted to before, there is an alternative to the scanner. However you hate that option as well, which is why you're now screaming about Amendment rights and how the TSA is doing you wrong. Part of me wants to care, but considering how dishonest and outright ugly you've been to myself and others on this subject I no longer give a shit. Deal with it or start walking. Or take it up with the courts and complain. Two threads of this garbage, HG... we get your damn point already.

What you're either failing to grasp, or are obtusely ignoring, is that the outrage isn't solely about the technology, but about how it's being implemented.

I don't fail to grasp or ignore anything, HG. Furthermore, your continued reference to such ignorant accusations demonstrate that you've narcissistically assumed that anyone else who talks about this issue and haven't reached the same conclusion is ill-informed. To paraphrase one of your own lines of dismissive rhetoric, "when will YOU realize that what you think isn't the only thing that fuckin' matters?" You talk about me being selfish when I talk from personal experience, yet here you are continually talking to people like you're the judge when you're nothing more than another court jester looking for someone to hold your hand and sympathize with your problems. Your conduct and blind attacks on other people is so beyond hypocritical, you almost make Tom DeLay look honest.

It would be in your best interest to stop assuming that you know everything about this and discuss the issue like a man. And while you're contemplating that, do think about practicing that with someone else. After your ignorant banter about me not knowing when my 40 acres & a mule is being taken away, followed by your insanely bigoted comment about grabbing a shine box, I no longer wish to discuss this or any other thing with you on this board.

 

[HazelGod]

I'm not sure why you're so intent on making this into something more than it really is.

You asked a pretty simple question, albeit rather rudely:

they first started appearing in the United States around 2006. (partisan ad hominem removed) Gee, where was all of the outrage then? (personal attacks removed)

I provided the very simple answer:

For the 15 thousandth time...the decision to implement the use of the virtual strip-search machines as a primary screening tool was made within the past few weeks. Prior to that decision, they were use as secondary screening mechanisms only.

From a rational viewpoint, that's the end of it.

followed by your insanely bigoted comment about grabbing a shine box

You cast a derisive shot at me for not picking up on some obscure reference you claim to have made to some Japanese cartoon, but you fail to recognize a direct quote from an Oscar-winning film? Jesus tapdancing Christ. :no:

 

[B_VinylBoy]

HG: It was a "tongue in cheek" response to the obviously partisan 24065 and his ridiculous accusations about how I wouldn't mind if my family was gang banged by TSA agents all because Obama is in office. Damn... do you even make an attempt to pay attention around here?

 

[HazelGod]

HG: It was a "tongue in cheek" response to the obviously partisan 24065

After first defending the question, now you're backpedaling into the "I didn't really mean it" routine. And you accuse me of being dishonest? :no:

 

[B_VinylBoy]

After first defending the question, now you're backpedaling into the "I didn't really mean it" routine. And you accuse me of being dishonest?

Responses that I generate for those I respect and for those that I don't give a "rat's ass" about are worded appropriately for the situation generated. Treat me with respect, and I try to come up with a respectable post. Try to treat me like shit, and I'll retaliate and then some. I've done this since the very first day I came on this board, so let's not sit here and pretend that a response that was OBVIOUSLY not directed at you and was chocked full of glaring sarcasm and predictable rhetoric means something more than that. You're not that naive.

Seriously, why are you now looking to score points with every ASCII character I type?

 

[Tee&A]

Wow. I'm a white mid 20's college student and I've defended Obama more than Vinyl has at times.

*Wags finger schoolmarm style* Now-now JTalbain, you stop that. You know it's the Negroes fault that Obama is in office, even though said Negroes supposedly only make up 13% of the population (and supposedly, even less vote). You know they sprinkled magical Bagger Vance-esque fairy dust on all the ballot machines in America on November 4, 2008 and stole that election...:wink:.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Tee&A: You're quickly becoming one of my faves around here. :biggrin:

 

[StrictlyAvg]

Bye for now HG (waits for mod actions thread to be updated...)

 

[scottredleter]

Honestly, when I head to South America in a few weeks I hope I go through these new scanners. I really, REALLY want to see what all of the drama is about firsthand.

There is no drama. You stand there and then it's over. I just wish I could get some pics.

The 'protest' didn't work, because the people who wanted there to be a protest were not the one who wanted to get somewhere to see their family or friends.

I don't get any of this. If your loved ones plane blows up, then the protesters will be the first to say that it should have been prevented.

Men and Women are being blown up around the world so we can enjoy our vacations that we fly to... and all we can do is bitch about the procedures.

It's not the best security, but until we realize that we have to go to an Israeli type of security with racial profileing, etc.. then this is going to have to work.

 

[MalakingTiti]

Honestly, when I head to South America in a few weeks I hope I go through these new scanners. I really, REALLY want to see what all of the drama is about firsthand.

I've been through the scanner many times. Its not a big deal as far as I'm concerned. But, with that said, I think anyone who wishes to opt out should have that right. They just shouldn't expect to fly.

 

[Tee&A]

I've been through the scanner many times. Its not a big deal as far as I'm concerned. But, with that said, I think anyone who wishes to opt out should have that right. They just shouldn't expect to fly.

I opt out and choose the patdown, and feel it isn't at all invasive. I don't think TSA is perfect, but I will say that I haven't had one inkling of the impression of "groping" or inappropriate touching during a patdown procedure. I've received more "perverted" patdowns from lecherous bouncers before going into a nightclub.

Now if the scanner becomes mandatory and the option to choose the patdown goes away, that's a bridge I'll have to cross when I get to it. The amount of radiation in scanners is minute and I have no problem with my cartoonesque bits on display, but cancer survivors just have a thing about radiation. Seriously, it sounds crazy but my gag reflex kicks in and I break out in a cold sweat at the mere mention of the word "radiation". I do hope the patdown stays an option--but--if it doesn't I may very well have to suck it up, pray, and go through the damned thing. I don't have the option to not fly, and I've accepted long ago that living in America doesn't mean I have absolute freedom to do whatever I please just by virtue of being American (insert 5 bars of "God Bless America" here).