TSA Pat Downs Are Part Of "Homosexual Agenda"

[B_VinylBoy]

Actually, no one has addressed my points. But that doesn't matter if your mind is already made up, does it?

Likewise, I'm sure.

 

[midlifebear]

Had to use Sky Miles to fly from and back to Buenos Aires last week, which meant having to fly through Atlanta both to and from Spain. Note to self: Quit looking for cheap tickets and pay the price for direct flights to and from Europe.

Where was I? Oh, yeah . . . pat downs. I was only patted down once and then only on one side of my pant leg when a TSA drone asked, "Do you have anything in your pocket?" Stupid me. I was in such a rush to experience the "Hell of modern airport security" that I had unconsciously rammed my passport in my left pants pocket. The x-ray vision machine was over before I knew it had scanned me. Everyone was nice, smiled a lot, and obviously glad Turkey Day crowds were over.

Of course, it didn't hurt that I was in a good mood and made sure I smiled at everyone as my Constitutional Rights were crushed, tromped on, and thrown against the wall right before my very eyes. I was so "emotionally raped" that I had to head directly to the nearest Cinnabun for a clot of relaxing carbohydrates.

I'm convinced 99% of the people complaining about the current TSA procedures -- which, of course are not the same as no security in the 50's and 60's until Cubans made highjacking thinkable -- anyway, I'm certain those 99% of whiners never travel.

 

[JTalbain]

Actually, no one has addressed my points. But that doesn't matter if your mind is already made up, does it?

You know what, you're right. VinyBoy didn't address your points. VinylBoy dismantled your argument and made it his bitch. He broke down and systematically demonstrated that you were wrong on every single talking point. He knows what you are talking about better than you do, and he addressed it all more thoroughly than I could because he has the benefit of more personal experience.

 

[JTalbain]

I'm convinced 99% of the people complaining about the current TSA procedures -- which, of course are not the same as no security in the 50's and 60's until Cubans made highjacking thinkable -- anyway, I'm certain those 99% of whiners never travel.

Ironically, this is about what could possibly happen rather than what will happen. I say this is ironic, because if I were basing my decision of what to do by weighing possible harm, I think I'd probably weigh blowing up a little bit heavier than having someone grope my dick.

 

[Big_Red]

You know what, you're right. VinyBoy didn't address your points. VinylBoy dismantled your argument and made it his bitch.

How so? It was the other way around from where I'm sitting. I defy you to prove otherwise.

He broke down and systematically demonstrated that you were wrong on every single talking point.

Nope. Most of my main points were either cut out, misrepresented, or just flat out misinterpreted (intentionally, or unintentionally I don't know). I went out of my way to correct these issues, but they were just repeated afterwards in more than one post. It's like none my points were ever read in the first place. So now I no longer care to "debate" anything here anymore. In fact, I really couldn't care less now.

He knows what you are talking about better than you do, and he addressed it all more thoroughly than I could because he has the benefit of more personal experience.

You're a funny guy! Oh yes, of course he does. I'm very impressed by your psychic powers which are able to show you how much personal experience I have with any of these matters. :grinning-smiley-003

Honestly, your anger and desperation really shows here. I engaged in thoughtful, critical argument and did not receive the same in kind. Ah well, it's my fault in the end. After all, is it REALLY reasonable to expect anything other than schoolyard antics on a board reserved for comparing cock size? :biggrin1:

Won't be doing it EVER again. That's for sure.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Big_Red - If you haven't noticed already (which I know you haven't), whether one feels the new TSA procedures are unconstitutional or not isn't an argument that is defined by absolutes. Every individual is granted rights under the Constitution, and it's up to each individual to decide under the legal law what contributes to being fair to them and what isn't. It's equally foolish and ignorant to determine that we all live our lives the same exact manner, which would be the only way we could decide if someone was absolutely right or wrong... and despite being human we're nothing alike. Therefore, there's no way you or I can "win" this discussion. But it's great to see you desperately try and achieve a victory.

Also, I don't have to address every single ASCII character you type in order for me to refute your claims. Simple reading and comprehension can tell that I'm doing this. Hell, nobody even has to quote you in order to do this, which is why I haven't quoted a single thing you just said this time around. I've already addressed your fruitless "points" so many times that I don't feel it necessary to repeat myself. But perhaps you can read them again and THINK about what is really being said around here.

Lastly, when you approach an argument with such staunchly held beliefs there's no chance for the other person to completely change your mind. I know there are plenty of other factors at work which prevent us from seeing eye to eye, but it has nothing to do with my ability to see your side of the argument. Trust me, I've already been in heated debates who have said exactly what you already echoed using much better diction. Your thoughts are not original or ones that cannot be understood on various levels which all lead to the same conclusion whether you want to acknowledge them or not. So please... don't humor yourself here. At the end of the day, you're where you are and I'm about to come home after spending several wonderful days in southern Brazil. If you use your brain, that should tell you just how I feel about the TSA procedures... that is, if you can get past your blinding ideologies and look at what's really happening around you.

 

[trackdude]

Homosexual fascism is the final plan, I heard it from a homeless guy on the bus.

 

[B_Nick8]

Big Red, other than for the purposes of this thread, I'm not going to cast aspersions on your character but your "arguments" are completely specious. In fact, you are perhaps, again, for the purposes of this thread, more possibly full of crap, than I've ever seen.

 

[Big_Red]

Every individual is granted rights under the Constitution, and it's up to each individual to decide under the legal law what contributes to being fair to them and what isn't. It's equally foolish and ignorant to determine that we all live our lives the same exact manner, which would be the only way we could decide if someone was absolutely right or wrong... and despite being human we're nothing alike. Therefore, there's no way you or I can "win" this discussion. But it's great to see you desperately try and achieve a victory.

I couldn't agree with you more on this point. But I was never trying to achieve any kind of "victory" here. I was simply trying to have a rational discussion and debate. To be perfectly clear, it was never my intention to suggest that other people should feel the same way as I do about this or any other issue. The Constitution only applies if you recognize, understand and enforce your own rights. For instance, any police officer worth their salt will attempt to get you to waive your 4th Amendment right against search and seizure. It's up to you to decide whether you'll do so, or not. It's your choice and no one else's. And, similarly, any lawyer worth their salt will tell their client to exercise their 5th Amendment right to remain silent, and to NEVER consent to a search unless a warrant is presented. Again, it's up to their client to decide on what course of action to take when dealing with the police.

We simply agree to disagree. End of story.

Big Red, other than for the purposes of this thread, I'm not going to cast aspersions on your character but your "arguments" are completely specious. In fact, you are perhaps, again, for the purposes of this thread, more possibly full of crap, than I've ever seen.

Thank you for that. Clearly, my defense of the Constitution had no merit. You're right.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

I couldn't agree with you more on this point. But I was never trying to achieve any kind of "victory" here. I was simply trying to have a rational discussion and debate.

I highly suspect that a "rational discussion" was your goal, considering what you said with your very first comment... that the new TSA procedures "are being used to put the poor and middle classes in their place, as well as get the same to submit to, and fear, authority." Seriously, that sounds rational to you?

To be perfectly clear, it was never my intention to suggest that other people should feel the same way as I do about this or any other issue. The Constitution only applies if you recognize, understand and enforce your own rights. For instance, any police officer worth their salt will attempt to get you to waive your 4th Amendment right against search and seizure. It's up to you to decide whether you'll do so, or not.

Wow... That's a stretch.

It's your choice and no one else's. And, similarly, any lawyer worth their salt will tell their client to exercise their 5th Amendment right to remain silent, and to NEVER consent to a search unless a warrant is presented. Again, it's up to their client to decide on what course of action to take when dealing with the police.

That is far different than a standardized security procedure to get on an airplane.

Thank you for that. Clearly, my defense of the Constitution had no merit. You're right.

No... it's not a defense of the Constitution. You're just merely defending what you deem is necessary for your own survival and are using the Constitution as a body shield. Major difference.