Tucker carlson: how precisely is diversity our strength?

[tubabate]

@Daisymay1 you are clearly a troll both here and in real life because you clearly live under a bridge.

 

[chicagosam]

@Daisymay1 you are clearly a troll both here and in real life because you clearly live under a bridge.

 

[Chrysippus]

I'm not at all convinced humanity couldn't do it again.

Bwahahahahahahahahaha!

 

[keenobserver]

The feature works great! Why get drawn to the shit? Move on, nothing to see there!

 

[tripod]

I took Tucker's segment as a misguided attempt at an ideological discussion between uniformity and diversity as concepts... specifically how one could derive strength from diversity as opposed to uniformity.

It's a tricky discussion to have since there are aspects in life and nature where strength is achieved through both uniformity and diversity.

If I want the best cement to come out of a cement mixer, it needs to be as uniform as possible. On the other hand, an immune system can derive it's antibody strength through adversity.

He's simultaneously right and wrong... strength comes from both uniformity and adversity.

I think he is centering on the military because that's what he thinks of when he thinks of a country's strength. The military derives a LOT of strength from uniformity... hell just industrial manufacturing alone depends upon uniformity in as many aspects as possible.

He's just wondering how a military based on diversity could survive as an effective defense force... which is a concept that went unanswered by almost every single critic of his segment.

As a boxing fan... uniformity is not the best way to approach the gentleman's sport (as far as success is concerned). The fighter that can fight with a diverse style and that can make adjustments quickly and accurately usually is the winner against a one dimensional fighter who has achieved a uniformity of his or her style. Lots of examples of both arguments out there... so many that Tucker should have realized that it's not the hill he should have died on.

 

[twoton]

I don't know Carlson. He's a guy on TV. Other than that, I don't know him from a lump of coal.

People have been crowing about the wonderful benefits of diversity for my whole life. Frankly, I'm honestly not sure that diversity leads to better outcomes (at least, across the board, anyway). The big benefit is probably that people learn to get along with other people. But I'm not sure that having a black CFO benefits a company anymore than having a Hispanic or white CFO. I'm not sure that having a Korean surgeon is better than having an Italian surgeon.

Certainly, having a racially diverse workforce helps in social services because people tend to seek and accept help from those with whomst they are most comfortable. For example, elderly Asians are far more likely to seek senior services if the provider is Asian. Public health initiatives are far more successful in Latino communities if the health providers are Latino (or at least speak Spanish). Black NFL players say that they feel a connection with black coaches that they don't feel with white coaches.

Ironically, now that I think of it--this sort of diversity is kind of the opposite of diversity---amazingly, people are most comfortable getting help from people they relate to in language and cultural areas.

Oddly, in rural Appalachia, a fair number of the medical doctors are Asian and Indian because white doctors won't work there and the foreign doctors get visas to work in medically underserved areas. My in-laws live in hardcore Trump Country and their doctors are Indian and Vietnamese.

So, I've got to say, I'd rather toss out the whole "diversity is strength" slogans and toss everyone into a big merit-based melting pot. When Morely Safer once asked Morgan Freeman when racism would end. Freeman responded, "When you stop referring to me as a black man and I stop referring to you as a white man."

 

[keenobserver]

I took Tucker's segment as a misguided attempt at an ideological discussion between uniformity and diversity as concepts... specifically how one could derive strength from diversity as opposed to uniformity.

It's a tricky discussion to have since there are aspects in life and nature where strength is achieved through both uniformity and diversity.

If I want the best cement to come out of a cement mixer, it needs to be as uniform as possible. On the other hand, an immune system can derive it's antibody strength through adversity.

He's simultaneously right and wrong... strength comes from both uniformity and adversity.

I think he is centering on the military because that's what he thinks of when he thinks of a country's strength. The military derives a LOT of strength from uniformity... hell just industrial manufacturing alone depends upon uniformity in as many aspects as possible.

He's just wondering how a military based on diversity could survive as an effective defense force... which is a concept that went unanswered by almost every single critic of his segment.

As a boxing fan... uniformity is not the best way to approach the gentleman's sport (as far as success is concerned). The fighter that can fight with a diverse style and that can make adjustments quickly and accurately usually is the winner against a one dimensional fighter who has achieved a uniformity of his or her style. Lots of examples of both arguments out there... so many that Tucker should have realized that it's not the hill he should have died on.

When the military does its job diversity becomes strength. I am the first man in my family not to serve in the military - ever. I've got a D.A. R. family history that is fascinating to read. Every conflict from the beginning I had people there - sometimes on both sides at the same time. My uncle was a rich Jewish guy. His family came from Germany and his parents built a thriving retail business that prospered through the depression and lasted until my uncle retired in the late 90's. He was volunteered during the Korean War and served in the war zone. He often described all the people he met from all over who were totally different from him and his background. The military turned all that "difference" into it's own concrete in training and experience. It changed his life because it broadened him and made him aware of the vast differences that exist in out world. My other uncles and father went through something similar, serving in different branches and times.

The point I'm making is we are all different but we all can bring something to the table and we need to encourage that all the time. That is how the country got built over time. Sometimes the contributions were small, uncredited, others were not. Most wanted common goals even as they came from different places - a chance to work, go as far as talent allows, a family, to be safe in a home, watch the kids grow.

Carlson talks about the 50's like that was the pinnacle. Minorities were ghettoized, women stayed home, white guys were kickin' it. He's been specific on that point for a number of years. He no more understands America, diversity, what our Constitution can mean now and how the future can be better by change. No, he doesn't get that and there is no rationalization for anything he has said. Nothing. As a progressive it is interesting you do not see that.

 

[keenobserver]

I don't know Carlson. He's a guy on TV. Other than that, I don't know him from a lump of coal.

People have been crowing about the wonderful benefits of diversity for my whole life. Frankly, I'm honestly not sure that diversity leads to better outcomes (at least, across the board, anyway). The big benefit is probably that people learn to get along with other people. But I'm not sure that having a black CFO benefits a company anymore than having a Hispanic or white CFO. I'm not sure that having a Korean surgeon is better than having an Italian surgeon.

Certainly, having a racially diverse workforce helps in social services because people tend to seek and accept help from those with whomst they are most comfortable. For example, elderly Asians are far more likely to seek senior services if the provider is Asian. Public health initiatives are far more successful in Latino communities if the health providers are Latino (or at least speak Spanish). Black NFL players say that they feel a connection with black coaches that they don't feel with white coaches.

Ironically, now that I think of it--this sort of diversity is kind of the opposite of diversity---amazingly, people are most comfortable getting help from people they relate to in language and cultural areas.

Oddly, in rural Appalachia, a fair number of the medical doctors are Asian and Indian because white doctors won't work there and the foreign doctors get visas to work in medically underserved areas. My in-laws live in hardcore Trump Country and their doctors are Indian and Vietnamese.

So, I've got to say, I'd rather toss out the whole "diversity is strength" slogans and toss everyone into a big merit-based melting pot. When Morely Safer once asked Morgan Freeman when racism would end. Freeman responded, "When you stop referring to me as a black man and I stop referring to you as a white man."

I'm kind of at a loss here. Are you saying your CFO rose to that position because he is Hispanic? Really? I don't think a company of any value would put a token in a high position to look good. Your Vietnamese surgeon passed all the state boards that the German surgeon passed. Would a token be able to keep a job with such a high risk for being sued if he was only hired because of his race?

You point out that many people feel a connection to people of their own race in many situations. That is true for a reason. I'll bet a black football coach knows that his black players are not just good athletes, but smart too. You can hear is all day on football games - a white player makes a big play - he was smart, saw the field, went for the cunning play, outsmarted the other team, The black player just was a beast of an athlete that made the play on the basis of his build and power - a power that is unique to black players. Too often the white coach sees players in those terms - even otherwise good coaches. When Latinos have been treated poorly by white hospitals and doctors, yeah they open up to a fellow Latino doctor. A lot of women like female doctors because they have more than a textbook understanding of what they are going through.

That's not to say mixing it up is bad or does not happen. My doctor team looks like the United Nations. I'm delighted to have them. I've never had a white cardiologist - ever, in 35 years of using them, not one was white. I'm going great and wouldn't trade a one of them, My doctors were in metro areas and rural Appalachia.

Opening doors to diversity means everyone can rise on merit. Really. I know white people get pissed off when a minority gets what used to be a white job or spot in school. It feels pretty shitty to be left out, but if everyone has equal access than the diversity will allow the best to rise to the top. The issue isn't that the minority got it, it is there wasn't enough space for everyone. For generations we just expected the minority to shut up and take it.

Change isn't always easy, but it is inevitable and we can all make it good, or at least better. I think we're making progress - sometimes slowly, sometimes faster than we like, but we're moving.

 

[twoton]

Opening doors to diversity means everyone can rise on merit.

This is what I'm trying to say.

 

[keenobserver]

This is what I'm trying to say.

I wasn't totally sure - based on you past posts I thought that was where you wanted to be. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[tripod]

He often described all the people he met from all over who were totally different from him and his background. The military turned all that "difference" into it's own concrete in training and experience.

You should have replaced the word concrete with UNIFORMITY. The way you clumsily worded the sentence, you'd think the military turned soldiers into sidewalks. The military doesn't turn "difference" into "concrete".

The military transforms diversity into uniformity. There isn't any fucking leeway in that matter... our military doesn't become personalized into each soldiers private and unique experience. No, each soldier drops whatever cultural baggage they came in with and adopts a new identity as a U.S. soldier, marine, sailor etc.

The equipment must all meet exacting standards of uniformity. 5.62mm must be 5.52mm...nothing less, nothing more.

It changed his life because it broadened him and made him aware of the vast differences that exist in out world. My other uncles and father went through something similar, serving in different branches and times.

Your relatives also learned that those "vast differences" weren't SHIT when the fast bullets started flying. In fact, they learned that regional cultural "differences" along with ethnic cultural "differences" were fairly superficial. They had more in common than they had in cultural and ethnic "differences".

The point I'm making is we are all different but we all can bring something to the table and we need to encourage that all the time.

Personally, I don't think we are all that different. ALL humans are predictably similar. They like to eat, sleep, work, fuck, laugh, be healthy, have friends, have a family, their friends and family having good health, get scared, have fun, change their state of consciousness through activity, exercise, compete, play, learn, excel, improve... there is no difference in those respects with an Inuit , Irishman or a Hawaiian.

Most wanted common goals even as they came from different places - a chance to work, go as far as talent allows, a family, to be safe in a home, watch the kids grow.

Damn, now we are just flat out agreeing with each other in a matter that is irrefutable.

Carlson talks about the 50's like that was the pinnacle. Minorities were ghettoized, women stayed home, white guys were kickin' it. He's been specific on that point for a number of years. He no more understands America, diversity, what our Constitution can mean now and how the future can be better by change. No, he doesn't get that and there is no rationalization for anything he has said. Nothing. As a progressive it is interesting you do not see that.

I'm not a Tucker Carlson expert or even have a passing interest in who he has been or who he is now.

As a Progressive... I am ANTI-WAR and ANTI-REGIME CHANGE.Carlson has strangely found the testicular fortitude to buck his entire news channel and represent FOX's only anti-war viewpoint. When it comes to being anti-war, Tucker Carlson gets a fucking A+ grade.

I'd give you and your other "liberal" SJW flunkies a goddamn F when it comes to your anti-war credibility grade.

Plainly put, maybe Carlson is a racist... but he is indeed a HUMANIST when it comes to preventing the loss of human lives via U.S. military aggression.

 

[keenobserver]

You should have replaced the word concrete with UNIFORMITY. The way you clumsily worded the sentence, you'd think the military turned soldiers into sidewalks. The military doesn't turn "difference" into "concrete".

The military transforms diversity into uniformity. There isn't any fucking leeway in that matter... our military doesn't become personalized into each soldiers private and unique experience. No, each soldier drops whatever cultural baggage they came in with and adopts a new identity as a U.S. soldier, marine, sailor etc.

The equipment must all meet exacting standards of uniformity. 5.62mm must be 5.52mm...nothing less, nothing more.



Your relatives also learned that those "vast differences" weren't SHIT when the fast bullets started flying. In fact, they learned that regional cultural "differences" along with ethnic cultural "differences" were fairly superficial. They had more in common than they had in cultural and ethnic "differences".



Personally, I don't think we are all that different. ALL humans are predictably similar. They like to eat, sleep, work, fuck, laugh, be healthy, have friends, have a family, their friends and family having good health, get scared, have fun, change their state of consciousness through activity, exercise, compete, play, learn, excel, improve... there is no difference in those respects with an Inuit , Irishman or a Hawaiian.



Damn, now we are just flat out agreeing with each other in a matter that is irrefutable.



I'm not a Tucker Carlson expert or even have a passing interest in who he has been or who he is now.

As a Progressive... I am ANTI-WAR and ANTI-REGIME CHANGE.Carlson has strangely found the testicular fortitude to buck his entire news channel and represent FOX's only anti-war viewpoint. When it comes to being anti-war, Tucker Carlson gets a fucking A+ grade.

I'd give you and your other "liberal" SJW flunkies a goddamn F when it comes to your anti-war credibility grade.

Plainly put, maybe Carlson is a racist... but he is indeed a HUMANIST when it comes to preventing the loss of human lives via U.S. military aggression.

No, Tucker wants to save US dollars and white lives. He does not give a shit about humanity.

You raised the concrete analogy originally, not uniformity, I merely used terms I thought you might understand. Clearly not.

 

[tripod]

No, Tucker wants to save US dollars and white lives. He does not give a shit about humanity.

His justification for avoiding military conflict is preventing the deaths of Middle Eastern or Eastern European people. The U.S. typically doesn't experience many casualties when we participate in military operations, yet we leave an enormous death toll of whomever we are combatting in our wake.

So you are a Tucker Carlson expert and can look into his heart and know exactly what is in his heart?!? You know for a fact that he doesn't give a shit about humanity? He seems like a completely different person than the guy he used to be... he seems muted, humble and greatly changed from the man who was destroyed by John Stewart.

You raised the concrete analogy originally, not uniformity, I merely used terms I thought you might understand.

You used it incorrectly dude, sorry I pointed it out.

 

[keenobserver]

His justification for avoiding military conflict is preventing the deaths of Middle Eastern or Eastern European people. The U.S. typically doesn't experience many casualties when we participate in military operations, yet we leave an enormous death toll of whomever we are combatting in our wake.

So you are a Tucker Carlson expert and can look into his heart and know exactly what is in his heart?!? You know for a fact that he doesn't give a shit about humanity? He seems like a completely different person than the guy he used to be... he seems muted, humble and greatly changed from the man who was destroyed by John Stewart.



You used it incorrectly dude, sorry I pointed it out.

I guess we are seeing two different Tucker Carlsons.

 

[tripod]

I see a man who has the huevos to directly take on Neo-Cons and bravely counter their pro-war propaganda to their face. I mean... I don't think I would want him dating my daughter but he seems to be quite genuine in his appeal to sanity in our foreign policy. Preaching anti-war views to the right winger FOX viewers is like being a social worker in a prison... doing God's work.

Tucker Carlson Is Doing Something Extraordinary

 

[Klingsor]

People have been crowing about the wonderful benefits of diversity for my whole life. Frankly, I'm honestly not sure that diversity leads to better outcomes (at least, across the board, anyway). The big benefit is probably that people learn to get along with other people. But I'm not sure that having a black CFO benefits a company anymore than having a Hispanic or white CFO. I'm not sure that having a Korean surgeon is better than having an Italian surgeon.

There is great benefit to living in a society where you *can* have a black CFO or a Korean surgeon.

 

[b.c.]

I guess we are seeing two different Tucker Carlsons.

No that's just him being his usual two faced hypocritical self.

Never mind that Carlson, co creator of the alt-right rag Daily Caller, gets praised for his commentary by bigots, racists, and white nationalists like David Duke and Richard Spencer. Never mind his anti immigrant rhetoric and that bullshit he stirred up alleged how white farmers were being persecuted in South Africa (an allegation even South Africans dismissed).

No, Carlson instead gets "a fucking A+ grade" because he's soft on Russia, dismissive of the Russian interference in our elections and the Trump Putin connection, and he's an Assad apologist.

 

[tripod]

Carlson instead gets "a fucking A+ grade" because he's soft on Russia, dismissive of the Russian interference in our elections and the Trump Putin connection, and he's an Assad apologist.

The programmed war mongering of a useful tool of the Industrial Military Complex.

Keep on rattling that saber champ.

 

[b.c.]

The programmed war mongering of a useful tool of the Industrial Military Complex.

Keep on rattling that saber champ.

I guess silly shit like that is all one can say when one gets pegged SPOT ON.

 

[tripod]

I guess silly shit like that is all one can say when one gets pegged SPOT ON.

Your sabre rattling and war mongering is sandwiched between your bitching and moaning... basically the character traits of a human turd. Sorry you don't like being called out... EVERYONE can see it, you're not fooling anyone.