Two VP's and Underwear and Shoe acts of Terror

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  1. Trinity

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    Of course all News Channels are asking who won the battle of the VP's.
    The answer is: Dana Perino

    Long before Former Vice President Cheney went on the Sunday Talk Shows to rail on just how badly the Obama Administration handled the Christmas Day/Underwear Act of Terror, Dana Perino had been on Fox News addressing the issue as Obama and his Administration went down and down in polls, and were constantly attacked for not only mirandizing Underwear Abdulmutallab after 50 mins, but for being tone deaf and still forcing civillian trials in NYC rather than utilizing military tribunals.

    Perino daily broke down the real deal on Fox News. So the American people know. So when the sound bites of Gaffe Machine Joe Biden say:
    We already know it's spin because we know the facts. Why can't Obama and his administration admit when they make a mistake? Why can't they pivot?

    Here's why Joe Biden is giving nothing but spin:

    - National Review/NPR

    The American people have been souring on Obama's handling of Underwear Abdulmutallab and National Security for weeks:

    - Newsweek

    That's right the HIG. :rolleyes: Obama's Administration messed up.

    When will Obama and his administration get a clue? Joe Biden didn't help them. This isn't who can tell the best story and rebut the other. A young man got on a plane with explosives in his pants with the intent to commit an act of terror after his father warned them and the Obama administration really fails to see where they went wrong.

    Cheney won the Sunday Talk Show battle of the VP's before it even started. Joe Biden was a clueless pawn defending failed policy and then went on talking nonsense that Iraq is a feather in the cap of Obama. :rolleyes:
     
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    You're so funny.
     
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    Failure in National Security is no laughing matter. Nothing I stated was funny.
     
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    Yes, yes it was. Even Reagan wanted to treat terrorists like criminals. But I guess you guys don't really give a fuck about anybody's human rights but your own.
     
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    Yes it was..........you went from supporting HILLARY CLINTON, a democrat, and now you're defending the lying neo-con known as Dick Cheney......
     
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    I don't think she ever genuinely supported Hillary's policies; she just supported her because she was the first woman with a real shot at the presidency.
     
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    That was prior to 9/11. Things changed for Bush even three months after 9/11 with the Shoe bomber.

    Obama himself supported military tribunals so what is that crack about human rights?

    A majority of the American people know that the Obama Administration bungled National Security regarding Underwear Abdulmutallab when citizens had to save their own lives with a Christmas miracle.

    Cheney is voicing problems the American people see that the Obama Administration appears to be oblivious to.

    Discuss the issues that seem to be going against Obama Indy. Many Democrats such as myself and Independents see problems with Obama's policies and performance as president. Deal with the issues:

    Department of Justice Press Released a Fact Sheet: Prosecuting and Detaining Terror Suspects in the U.S. Criminal Justice System onTuesday, June 9, 2009

    DOJ Fact Sheet

    9/11 Families for a Safe & Strong America
     
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    Do y'all love irony as much as I do? And I didn't even have to bold anything. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
     
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    Can't discuss and deal with the issues so you post a bunch of nothing.
     
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    indeed
     
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    Again, the irony, oh the irony! .:haha:..Times two.
     
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    Progressive Eruptions: THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION PROSECUTED MANY MORE TERROR SUSPECTS AS CRIMINALS THAN AS ENEMY COMBATANTS--But rightwing hypocrites ignore this fact in going after AG Eric Holder

    Things weren't different under Bush as all terror suspects apprehended in the U.S.A. had to be tried in civilian courts as mandated by the U.S. Constitution's Bill of Rights.

    http://www.aclu.org/intlhumanrights/gen/2 5935res20...

    Bush tried to make exceptions in the cases of José Padilla and Ali Saleh Kahlah al-Marri even though they had been arrested in the U.S. by law-enforcement officials, and indicted on criminal charges. Bush violated their rights by labeling them “enemy combatants” and transferring them to military custody, for interrogation and detention without trial. Their cases provoked legal challenges, and in both instances appeals courts ruled that Bush had overstepped his power. The Administration, not willing to risk a Supreme Court defeat, returned the suspects to the civilian system.

    And the Supreme Court ruling Boumediene v. Bush of 2008 found that all persons in U.S. detention, local or foreign, must be given the right to habeas corpus under the U.S. Constitution. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Helvetica]
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    Boumediene v. Bush - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Thus the judiciary did what was proper with Abdulmutalib. As he was arrested in the U.S.A. he was given due process.
     
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    Rachel Maddow Show

    Cheney admitted to telling the Justice Department to legalize waterboarding. He boasted about the war crimes of his administration. Let's not hold him up as any sort of authority we want to listen to about anything, k?
     
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    Furthermore:

    heritage.org


    A majority of the American people disagree with that statement and legally there is disagreement as well:

    PoliticsDaily.com

    More than due process is involved in this matter as explained by Former Attorney General Muskasey.

    It is fair to say that the law on enemy combatants captured in the U.S. is not settled as one of the articles states...however the Obama Administration had ample precedent to interrogate without mirandizing and they can legally use military tribunals. The Obama Administration's frenzied attempt to cover their backside after-the-fact of their error in judgment is looking more and more damaging.

    Finally, You do recall when Barack Obama stated the following on 60 minutes March 23, 2009 don't you?

    HotAir.com

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Please don't tell me that the trolls are now trying to defend Cheney.
    It's not enough that they're a bunch of vile, disgusting, bigoted idiots who are scared of people who hold bombs in their panties. Now, they're suggesting that we should have ignored basic human rights just so we can water board them?

    Party political bullshit aside, nobody with any shred of decency should be defending anyone that endorses torture of ANY KIND. Especially when you consider that none of the trolls on this board who have this barbaric belief don't even live in or near New York City or any place that was attacked on 9/11.

    Absolutely, fuckin' laughable.
     
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    It is irrelevant what the American people think on this issue. The people are grossly ill-informed and easily duped - you are a perfect example. Constitutional issues are not decided by legal opinions or public opinion polls. We have a judicial system to answer this, and we abide by their decisions.

    It is especially galling and transparently hypocritical for you and yours to cry foul, when the Obama law enforcement agencies and Justice Department have followed the same practices as the previous administration - practices which you supported with blind enthusiasm. The difference may be that this case was handled with finesse and by the book, which in your blind ignorance, you will also deny.

    The amount of intelligence that has been gathered from the suspect will prove invaluable in the further fight against terrorism, if it has not already, and will lead to a successful and satisfying conviction in the case.
     
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    My thought exactly.

    Sad, sad but true. But seriously, VB, leave that one alone. Its futility speaks for itself.
     
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    What the American people think is relevant on all issues. You in fact, demonstrate that you are ill-informed and easily duped. And of course the judiciary provide the decisions and those decisions are abided by on constitutional issues. No one stated otherwise. :rolleyes:



    Finesse? By the book? Nope...anything but! In fact just the opposite. The case was bungled and indangered our National Security:

    First, the Terror Suspect's Father's warnings were ignored by Intelligence Agencies in the Obama Administration and when by miracle, citizens saved their own lives, the Obama Administration was ill-prepared to act appropriately to handle the suspect.

    - Newsweek


    The Obama Administration couldn't even get on the same page to say the same message. On top of that, the administration didn't have the HIG in existance. :rolleyes:



    Obama and his administration mishandled the entire matter and we cannot rub lucky rabbit's feet in the hopes that every terrorist's parents will warn us in advance and will come to our aid to get them to talk - if that is even happening. :rolleyes:

    Obama has yet to get his national security policies together to assure the American people. This incident and the trials are damaging Obama on National Security.
     
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    Jan Brady go away. We like Marcia better
     
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    This bitch used to be good for a laugh but now she/he/it is getting sad. Pleas Trinsanity, seek help. Holy water. Exorcism. Anything to get you to STFU!!!
     
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