Two years after america's dnc...

[Penis Aficionado]

I think most people vote for the candidate who has the biggest balls.

Trump had the biggest balls of anyone who's run for president in my lifetime and still he almost lost. Now that it's pretty clear he's not just going to wake up on the wrong side of the bed and nuke someone, he'll be harder to beat next time.

"Pearl-clutching," as you so eloquently put it, is exactly the wrong way to go about beating Trump. That just emphasizes how big his balls are. Democrats must go the opposite route, and show that their balls are even bigger than Trump's. But that doesn't come naturally to most Democrats. Bernie had huge balls too, but fuck he's going to be really old, and he doesn't wear old age nearly as well as Trump.

Warren has pretty big balls and could give Trump a run for his money. But Democrats' best bet is to find their own version of Trump -- someone whose name is synonymous with huge balls.

 

[b.c.]

Warren didn't have balls enough to run though. Lest we forget, they tried to draft her (I would've backed her) but she declined to answer the call. So did Biden. Hillary answered the call. And whether or not one personally liked her or not, she was CLEARLY the most qualified person for the job.

 

[tripod]

No bud. No difference. It was a pitiful a---- suck up move to a conservative Trump shill who in return b-slapped down your, "socialists, communist, progressive commonality" right back IN YO FACE (to coin a phrase).

I still use that term every now and then... it's a good one.

Actually, she made a weak argument that was easily refuted... I simply chose not to refute it.

You do realize that you and the others took turns belittling her and attempting to disrespect her in a veritable gangbang of verbal assault... like I should pile on her and do the same?!?

Sorry, I don't abuse females. Not because they are weak or unable to defend themselves... it's just that I DON'T FUCKING ENJOY IT.

I can tackle socialism with her via PM... I don't need a fucking public display of mansplaining socialism to a conservative female. if she wants to discuss it in public, then that's fine with me. She however, has had enough bullshit from the males on this site for one day.

You should try and be nice for once... you used to be nice... I'd LIKE to be nice to you but you won't fucking let me. Maybe one day you will change your mind. I've told you before that I LIKE YOU. I don't know what to do... you have so much hate in your heart and you think you need to be my enemy.

It's a pity. I don't like this.

I don't know what to say other than I wish you would stop hating me... there's no reason why we can't get along.

You want me to apologize for being the bigger asshole? Fine, whatever, I'm the bigger asshole and I'm sorry.

Maybe I'm fucking wrong about everything... Russia... Putin... Bernie. Maybe you're right about everything. Just stop fucking hating me. I'm not your enemy.

 

[Penis Aficionado]

Hillary answered the call. And whether or not one personally liked her or not, she was CLEARLY the most qualified person for the job.

I could not disagree more. And I think that if we want to beat Trump in 2020, it's important to understand why so many Americans did not just find Hillary shrill or unlikeable, but considered HER ENTIRE CAREER TO BE AN ABJECT FAILURE.

Hillary has been in national politics officially and unoficially since 1992. During that time she represented the party that's universally understood to side with poor and middle-class people against the rich, and to advocate government intervention to make the economy more fair.

Yet American history since 1992 is the story of the uninterrupted demolition of the middle class, and of the governmental support system for poor people. It is the story of government abandoning its historic role as referee of the economy.

As far as her stated objectives are concerned, Hillary's entire career has been one of COMPLETE AND UTTER FAILURE.

And when her allies, who share her stated objectives, suggest that perhaps she is using the wrong strategies to achieve them -- she again and again reacts with defensiveness and hostility. In fact, she often reacts by siding with those who COMPLETELY OPPOSE HER STATED OBJECTIVES, rather than admitting that her friendly critics have any valid points.

How is such a person remotely qualified for a promotion?

No wonder millions of people who SHARE HILLARY'S STATED OBJECTIVES voted for Jill Stein, stayed home or even took a leap of faith and voted for Donald Trump.

 

[b.c.]

I still use that term every now and then... it's a good one.

Actually, she made a weak argument that was easily refuted... I simply chose not to refute it.

You do realize that you and the others took turns belittling her and attempting to disrespect her in a veritable gangbang of verbal assault... like I should pile on her and do the same?!?

Sorry, I don't abuse females. Not because they are weak or unable to defend themselves... it's just that I DON'T FUCKING ENJOY IT.

I can tackle socialism with her via PM... I don't need a fucking public display of mansplaining socialism to a conservative female. if she wants to discuss it in public, then that's fine with me. She however, has had enough bullshit from the males on this site for one day.

You should try and be nice for once... you used to be nice... I'd LIKE to be nice to you but you won't fucking let me. Maybe one day you will change your mind. I've told you before that I LIKE YOU. I don't know what to do... you have so much hate in your heart and you think you need to be my enemy.

It's a pity. I don't like this.

I don't know what to say other than I wish you would stop hating me... there's no reason why we can't get along.

You want me to apologize for being the bigger asshole? Fine, whatever, I'm the bigger asshole and I'm sorry.

Maybe I'm fucking wrong about everything... Russia... Putin... Bernie. Maybe you're right about everything. Just stop fucking hating me. I'm not your enemy.

First of all, I didn't respond to directly to her, and hadn't belittled her. I said responding to Trump shills and apologists wasn't worth the effort. Then later suggested that perhaps her intent was hijacking the thread, which imo she WAS.

To which she responded to ME by questioning the legitimacy of the Mueller investigation. I didn't attack her then. Instead I responded by pointing out the length of time and amount of money Republicans spent investigating Hillary.

To which SHE said to ME, "Quit being a joke." So, SHE made the first "verbal assault" bub.

Second, I figure ANYONE who comes here making sweeping generalization, posting unsubstantiated assertions, posting opinion and spin as though they were fact, and engaging in wholesale belittlement of liberals, liberal posters, making mockery of issues of grave and genuine concerns to MANY, and taking DELIGHT in insulting members herein, is entitled to be treated equally, whether male or female, to have his/her viewpoints and statements challenged, disputed, rebutted, and responded to IN KIND.

That hasn't a fkn THING to do with "abusing females". GTFOH.

Third, I don't "need" to be your enemy. But I AM able to RECOGNIZE an enemy... to read the lines and all up in BETWEEN them.

And I told you before that no "friend" of mine would say the things you say, defend the things you defend, nor ignore the things you seem to ignore. No "friend" of mine would resort to insults and the questioning of one's intelligence because the things we support or believe differ from those of your own.

Being nice? If we aren't "nice" anymore it's because of the reality of our situation. Given our current state of affairs and the harm being done to this country by the GOP and Trump, being NICE is NO LONGER an option. In fact I devoted an entire THREAD to that fact.

NOR has it anything to do with "hate" in my heart - excepting "hate" for a lot of nasty, mean spirited, underhanded, bigoted SHIT that is happening in this country, as a result of Trump & Co. and with the HELP of short sighted individuals who SHOULD BE equally concerned,

yet spend more time deflecting from VALID concerns and issues via tacit approval, whataboutisms, false equivalencies, and other forms of rationalization that only serve to further EMPOWER and EMBOLDEN those whose intent it is to do us HARM.

Not our enemy? Then stop ACTING like one.

 

[b.c.]

I could not disagree more. And I think that if we want to beat Trump in 2020, it's important to understand why so many Americans did not just find Hillary shrill or unlikeable, but considered HER ENTIRE CAREER TO BE AN ABJECT FAILURE.

Hillary has been in national politics officially and unoficially since 1992. During that time she represented the party that's universally understood to side with poor and middle-class people against the rich, and to advocate government intervention to make the economy more fair.

Yet American history since 1992 is the story of the uninterrupted demolition of the middle class, and of the governmental support system for poor people. It is the story of government abandoning its historic role as referee of the economy.

As far as her stated objectives are concerned, Hillary's entire career has been one of COMPLETE AND UTTER FAILURE.

And when her allies, who share her stated objectives, suggest that perhaps she is using the wrong strategies to achieve them -- she again and again reacts with defensiveness and hostility. In fact, she often reacts by siding with those who COMPLETELY OPPOSE HER STATED OBJECTIVES, rather than admitting that her friendly critics have any valid points.

How is such a person remotely qualified for a promotion?

No wonder millions of people who SHARE HILLARY'S STATED OBJECTIVES voted for Jill Stein, stayed home or even took a leap of faith and voted for Donald Trump.

You mean that graphic you posted before from Jill Stein's website? Right.

First of all, imo, those who characterize Hillary as shrill and unlikable are JUST as guilty of applying that same misogynistic double standard as most of Trump's "basket."

Trump had the audacity to call her a nasty woman... and that played mostly into the mindset of the same white Republican men who thought Obama "arrogant." But it also played into the minds of some on the left, and in some cases, for some rather disingenous REASONS.

Imagine the crass, "I could shoot someone on 5th Avenue," self professed "pussy grabbing" demagogue BIGOT calling someone else nasty. What gall. But hey, they call that PRIVILEGE, I guess.

The same sense of privilege that prompted some old b------------ to accost a Puerto Rican woman in public, demanding to know why she was wearing a certain shirt and questioning her citizenship.

Yet people right AND left who fall (and who fell) for that kind of s----, ate it up.

Further, your suggesting that Hillary's entire career was an abject failure strikes me as equally ludicrous as your assertion that the Democratic party has no ideology. So given the absurdity of THAT statement, I'll not honor the nonsense above with a rebuttal. NOR will I provide evidence to the contrary (by way of links) since you rejected evidence the LAST time I did.

Like I said then, while some of Hillary's positions may have been similar to Trump's, only Hillary's was closer to the objectives of "progressives." Only she, incorporated much of Bernie's platform into the party platform. Only the Democratic party would have had any degree of recognition of those principles and presently, only through the Democratic party (short of creating your own) can progressives have a voice.

From my point of view, the decision as to who was the BETTER choice was a NO BRAINER.

So, the fact that too many people were too fkn short sighted, bitter, self centered, or just plain STUPID to figure that out is on THEM. I figure they got what they DESERVED.

 

[wallyj84]

Hillary Clinton was the wrong candidate at the wrong time.

She had way too much baggage and was running in a year where people didn't want an establishment politician. Having said that, she almost won. A few things go her way on election night and she wins.

That tells you how horrible Trump is.

 

[phonehome]

A whole lot of little things

Mitch McConnell does not "put the Supreme Court on the ballot"

Jim Comey does not have his initial press conference which lead to him testifying before congress which according to him was when he made this "supposed promise" to "update them if anything changed" then when presented with the E-mails on the laptop they got on it lickity split and determined they were in fact all dupes of what had been looked at and got that dome well before the day he sent that letter so no letter ever gets sent or when he did he decided to play fair and announce that yes DJT was under investigation too.

80,000 people over 3 states decide not to throw their votes away in order to "send a message" or vote their conscience

80,000 people over three states who "stayed home" because they thought HRC had it in the bag or were Bernie or busters or just could not bring themselves to vote for her go and and do.

Wikileaks does not dribble out E-mails ever day so "E-mails" were in the news practically every day and allowed DJT to always be able to cite the latest "revelations" of E-mails that by the end were routinely called or referred to as "Hillary Clinton's E-mails" and by the end many Trumpians and some to this day still believe that those E-mails came from "her server" when in fact they did not and few if any of the E-mails in question were in fact from her, to her or she was otherwise copied on.

Russian bot driven social media bullshit, IE The pope supports DJT

It all took it's toll maybe no one thing was enough buy in total it was all "just enough"

 

[Industrialsize]

How 2016, a Bernie/Hillary food fight.

 

[Brodie888]

Let's be honest, Trump is neither a Democrat or a Republican. Trump represents himself, for the good of himself.

Actually, the depressing thing for the entire world was that out of the 300+ million people in America, NEITHER party could find anyone able to defeat Trump.

 

[b.c.]

Hillary Clinton was the wrong candidate at the wrong time.

She had way too much baggage and was running in a year where people didn't want an establishment politician. Having said that, she almost won. A few things go her way on election night and she wins.

That tells you how horrible Trump is.

But she wasn't as wrong (ideologically speaking) as Trump was.

Nevertheless, his voters apparently didn't give a flying and turned out in FULL support of him, unlike some of those left of center.

Republicans worked for decades to destroy this woman's reputation. 7 Benghazi investigations, 33 hearings. They enlisted and had the help of Russian hackers and operatives who spread false news, and disseminated divisive rhetoric, as if Trump's own hate based rhetoric wasn't enough.

And added to that were the efforts of Bernie or Busters to discredit Hillary, the party, the nomination process, and a third party candidate who KNEW she'd never win, and whose voters were too short sighted to see the bigger picture of what a Trump white house occupancy and complete Republican control of government would entail.

And all that was BEFORE the Comey debacle.

 

[wallyj84]

But she wasn't as wrong (ideologically speaking) as Trump was.

Nevertheless, his voters apparently didn't give a flying and turned out in FULL support of him, unlike some of those left of center.

Republicans worked for decades to destroy this woman's reputation. 7 Benghazi investigations, 33 hearings. They enlisted and had the help of Russian hackers and operatives who spread false news, and disseminated divisive rhetoric, as if Trump's own hate based rhetoric wasn't enough.

And added to that were the efforts of Bernie or Busters to discredit Hillary, the party, the nomination process, and a third party candidate who KNEW she'd never win, and whose voters were too short sighted to see the bigger picture of what a Trump white house occupancy and complete Republican control of government would entail.

And all that was BEFORE the Comey debacle.

She had a lot of baggage. That is why she wasn't a good candidate. As I understand she had a lot of internal issues within her campaign. One story I heard was that Bill actually went to one of her organizers and expressed concerns and was dismissed out of hand. A former President who won TWO elections was ignored when giving advice.

She had a bunch of problems and if Trump wasn't such a horrible choice, he would have run away with the election.

 

[StormfrontFL]

Who knows?

It MUST be so (I imagine) because a Trump pollster said, "I THINK Sanders beats Trump... I THINK Sanders would have had the ability to reach a lot of the less than college-educated, low-income white voters."

As best I can tell from the linked source, the "Trump pollster" didn't offer any estimation, however, as to what he THINKS black voter turnout (for example) would've been for Sanders. Or how he figures the horse that ran third would've come in first, if HE hadn't lost to that horse that won the fkn POPULAR vote.

Oh, btw, a number of pollsters also THOUGHT Hillary would win, right up until just before midnight on Election Day.

So speculation as to who some THINK would've won is just that, SPECULATION, on the part of the same naysayers, sore losers, and others of like mind, who NOT SO COINCIDENTALLY are AGAIN trying to whip up the same division and conflict among the left that they did prior to the general election...

ALMOST as if on CUE... ALMOST as if sowing discord is EXACTLY what their job IS. But nahhhhh.... that can't be what this is about, CAN it??

Exactly. It makes it much easier to get the other side fighting amongst each other rather than present a united front. Tell the Sanders people that Sanders would have won and keep them riled up so that they won't work with other Democrats to unseat Trump.

 

[StormfrontFL]

I could not disagree more. And I think that if we want to beat Trump in 2020, it's important to understand why so many Americans did not just find Hillary shrill or unlikeable, but considered HER ENTIRE CAREER TO BE AN ABJECT FAILURE.

Hillary has been in national politics officially and unoficially since 1992. During that time she represented the party that's universally understood to side with poor and middle-class people against the rich, and to advocate government intervention to make the economy more fair.

Yet American history since 1992 is the story of the uninterrupted demolition of the middle class, and of the governmental support system for poor people. It is the story of government abandoning its historic role as referee of the economy.

As far as her stated objectives are concerned, Hillary's entire career has been one of COMPLETE AND UTTER FAILURE.

And when her allies, who share her stated objectives, suggest that perhaps she is using the wrong strategies to achieve them -- she again and again reacts with defensiveness and hostility. In fact, she often reacts by siding with those who COMPLETELY OPPOSE HER STATED OBJECTIVES, rather than admitting that her friendly critics have any valid points.

How is such a person remotely qualified for a promotion?

No wonder millions of people who SHARE HILLARY'S STATED OBJECTIVES voted for Jill Stein, stayed home or even took a leap of faith and voted for Donald Trump.

Where is Jill Stein? Why is it that the Green Party only makes noise when it is a Presidential election? Wouldn't it be better for them if they ran in local elections and state government? Build a base to show that it's not just grandstanding and increasing speaking fees?

 

[deleted15807]

And never mind what Americans appear to be loathe to face. Trump had a lot of help from his bosses in Russia. So much so he fired the head of the FBI as he tried to shutdown the investigation. And even today he fumes daily over the fact the investigation continues and he and his treasonous party don't want the public to know the full extent of the meddling lest we discover we have an illegitimate "winner" siting in the White House. Lost in the daily shit storm this is his presidency is this fact.

While the intelligence agencies are silent on the impact of Russia’s attack, outside experts who have examined the Kremlin campaign — which included stealing and sharing Democratic Party emails, spreading propaganda online and hacking state voter rolls — have concluded that it did affect an extremely close election decided by fewer than 80,000 votes in three states. Clint Watts, a former FBI agent, writes in his recent book, “Messing with the Enemy,” that “Russia absolutely influenced the U.S. presidential election,” especially in Michigan and Wisconsin, where Trump’s winning margin was less than 1 percent in each state.​

Without the Russians, Trump wouldn’t have won​

 

[deleted15807]

She had a lot of baggage. That is why she wasn't a good candidate. As I understand she had a lot of internal issues within her campaign. One story I heard was that Bill actually went to one of her organizers and expressed concerns and was dismissed out of hand. A former President who won TWO elections was ignored when giving advice.

She had a bunch of problems and if Trump wasn't such a horrible choice, he would have run away with the election.

She had a "lot of baggage" mainly because she has been a political piñata figure for over 25 years. The reason Obama slipped in is the Republican Slime Machine didn't have 25 years at their disposal to literally make shit up about him. They understood quickly from Bill Clinton's presidency and her Health Care Task Force in 1993 that she was a force that needed to be flattened. And so as @b.c. noted before became a decades long character assignation effort to make everyone believe she was flawed and they've maintained an air of criminality around her and her husband for over 25 years. Was she perfect? No. Did she have flaws? Yes. Who doesn't.

Judicial Watch, pursuing the Clintons like Inspector Javert for two decades, scores again
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And it does without saying Judicial Watch is just another right-wing conservative propaganda outfit founded by Richard Mellon Scaife: Funding Father of the Right.

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[Herr_Faust]

Lots of people have flaws and still never supported the Iraq War, FISA bill and the PATRIOT act. And that doesn't even scratch the surface. She was a hell of a lot worse than just "not perfect."

 

[deleted15807]

Lots of people have flaws and still never supported the Iraq War, FISA bill and the PATRIOT act. And that doesn't even scratch the surface. She was a hell of a lot worse than just "not perfect."

Obviously you're talking to me yet unwilling unable to use the reply button.

Maybe you can afford to sit back and dismiss the difference between a government that works and the competence she would have brought to the table and the reptile that is in there now and is out to strip the planet and the people of everything to give to the corptocracy but I can't. Maybe you don't mind seeing children in cages but I do. And maybe you don't mind his racism , bigotry and misogyny but I do. Maybe you don't mind his assault on US allies while he cozies up to authoritarian dictators but I do.

Gotta love these types that can somehow absurdly come to this forum and bash Hillary while I have not seen any of your posts bashing the Forth Reich that is now the US government. Just f* off OK. You and the OP will join my ignore list. I smell a skunk.

 

[Herr_Faust]

Obviously you're talking to me yet unwilling unable to use the reply button.

Maybe you can afford to sit back and dismiss the difference between a government that works and the competence she would have brought to the table and the reptile that is in there now and is out to strip the planet and the people of everything to give to the corptocracy but I can't. Maybe you don't mind seeing children in cages but I do. And maybe you don't mind his racism , bigotry and misogyny but I do. Maybe you don't mind his assault on the planet but I do.

Gotta love these types that can somehow absurdly come to this forum and bash Hillary while I have not seen any of your posts bashing the Forth Reich that is now the US government. Just f* off OK. You will join my ignore list.

So basically I have to be constantly assuring you I agree with your disdain for the current government just because I don't see any merit in sucking Hillary's dick over... Nothing at all. I find it strange that for any criticism I ever leveled at Hillary Clinton, not once has anybody ever responded to it with say, a list of accomplishments. Just a diatribe about how the other guy is shittier, and/or how the system is shit. You'd normally need a few Goldman-Sachs speaking fee checks in the bank to buy something that rich.

I hate that Hillary couldn't drum up enough support in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania with Silicon Valley fundraisers, after the DNC basically completely eliminated labor from the platform drafting committee.

But I do love guys like you that think it's more important to wank into the wind about "competence" while attempting to shut down any point about why a fucking horrible candidate might have lost, so like, you know, the platform can be unfucked.

But it doesn't matter, because I'm on your ignore list for not agreeing with you correctly. It's unsurprising to me that YOU would be the guy on this forum to so perfectly articulate why Hillary lost.

 

[wallyj84]

She had a "lot of baggage" mainly because she has been a political piñata figure for over 25 years. The reason Obama slipped in is the Republican Slime Machine didn't have 25 years at their disposal to literally make shit up about him. They understood quickly from Bill Clinton's presidency and her Health Care Task Force in 1993 that she was a force that needed to be flattened. And so as @b.c. noted before became a decades long character assignation effort to make everyone believe she was flawed and they've maintained an air of criminality around her and her husband for over 25 years. Was she perfect? No. Did she have flaws? Yes. Who doesn't.

Judicial Watch, pursuing the Clintons like Inspector Javert for two decades, scores again
​

And it does without saying Judicial Watch is just another right-wing conservative propaganda outfit founded by Richard Mellon Scaife: Funding Father of the Right.

​

I don't disagree with you. However, that kinda proves my point. She had a lot of baggage. It was unfair and most of it was amde up, but she did have a ton of baggage.