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Discussion in 'Politics' started by Jovial, Sep 4, 2008.
Who do you think will win? Who do you want to win?
I just spent a few minutes refreshing my knowledge of what way congress was split at the moment and I'm now certain that I, as a foreigner, don't know who I think should win. I think a Republican presidency could give a little more balance - or would it just be stalemate?
My tendancy is away from Republican - but I've always thought negative decision making was reactionary (duh!) and ill-advised.
I really don't know who I want to win. I think Obama because I think the team he and his advisors would assemble are more likely to come up with foreign policies I would either agree with or indirectly benefit from. I am aware I could be wrong.
As to who I think will win... Neither. I think one of them will fuck up and lose. Which that'll be I just don't know.
I want Obama to win.
I have my doubts about whether it will happen though. The Dems managed to lose twice to that vapid frat boy and his gang, so I don't have much confidence this time around.
Obama has too many unknowns and I think at the end of the day, when they are alone in the voting booth, a large portion of white America will play it safe and pull the lever for McCain.
I do think Clinton would have stomped McCain.
The US is still split very close to 50/50 on political issues as it was in '00 and '04. Half red ... half blue. I think it will be close, but that Obama will win all the states that John Kerry did in '04, plus one ... Colorado or Virginia ... to get a majority of the states' electoral votes.
I'm an independent. I've never belonged to any party and I've voted for Republicans, Democracts, Greens, and independents.
I'd rather have Obama than McCain but, in truth, I don't want either.
Bush's damage needs to be undone, healthcare needs fixing desperately, and the Supreme Court needs a new shot of liberal justices to keep things balanced. The GOP really needs to be sent to the doghouse for a good long think after inflicting Bush on us these last eight years and to re-think their fascist leanings. Obama doesn't have enough experience in my book but he does seem to echo the concerns of more of the country, particularly the youth, than McCain does. The US needs to be dragged into the 21st century in more than a few ways and Obama might just be the person to do it though I'm positive McCain is not.
I just don't know where McCain stands. He's gone from Washington insider, to Washington outsider, to Reagan-BushLite, and I find Palin to be naive and inexperienced. At least if something happens to Obama, I know Biden is experienced enough to take the helm.
My option isn't available.
I'm not supporting either major party candidate, however, on election day, I will vote for one and it won't be McCain/Palin.
After a USAToday poll telliing me I was most in line with Kucinich AFTER he already dropped out, I was undecided for most part, until Shrillary fucked up her campaign.
So it was lesser of two evils: The Double-O vote or the ex-POW.
Then I decided to wait until the VP noms were announced.
Biden has the experience, even if he's not sworn in ten minutes after Obama. (and don't tell me some redneck isn't going to try to take a potshot!)
Palen scares the shit out of me. There wasn't anyone else to choose from in the entire GOP? You done sank that battleship, John-boy. glub-glub.
Regardless of who wins, it will be an historic moment. We will have either the first female Vice-President, or the second Black President (actually the first mulatto, as his mother is as white as Halle Berry's) since Bubba was the first.
People in this country hate Bush, so Obama, should be a shoe-in, however his radical politics make him unpalatable to the middle. He has been trying to down play that, but the republican machine will get it out.
Let's admit it, he is the most un-vetted candidate and most un-qualified candidate for the presidency in the last 100 hundred years.
In the end, neither is a good choice, but we can make a decision upon what they want to do.
Obama's plan will hurt this country more then McCain's, his proposals will stifle, business, and hurt us in the global economy. So it only makes logical sense to vote against the extremist and for McCain, rather then hurt ourselves out of anger against. Bush.
I think this is very likely outcome as well. Add to that the choice of Palin for VP resulting in a pick up of just enough disgruntled Hillary supporters. She'll also help to turn out the conservative base that would have been otherwise apathetic in the face of a ho-hum VP choice.
I suspect that in the end, this race will break all of the current polling models.
One hundred years? I disagree with this statement.
The current president, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Hoover, Reagan all could be defined in the same manner. What most have come to think of as experience for a presidential candidate, the kind of credentials that Taft, Coolidge, Nixon, Roosevelt (Both Teddy and Franklin), or Gore possessed are now associated with career politicking and elitism, both contrary to the populist bullshit people seem to respond best right now.
The U.S. no longer elects the exceptional, nor the extensively experienced, we associate one with the elite and the other with entrenched, corrupt politicians. So we are left with the dreck, those who run on one issue, such as the infamous "he seems like a guy we can have... with", or a position taken on war, or change, rather than a true understanding of the role of the executive in government with the balls to not simply tell people what they want to hear... so, if Obama bothers you, get ready for more of the same.
Palin has a great set of tits
:usa:OBAMA ALL THE WAY WE CAN"T AFFORD TO HAVE REPUBLICANS IN OFFICE:usa: