U.S. Poll: Racism Goes Stealth

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  1. Lex

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    From CNN.com


    Most Americans, white and black, see racism as a lingering problem in the United States, and many say they know people who are racist, according to a new poll. But few Americans of either race -- just one out of eight -- consider themselves racist.
    And experts say racism has evolved from the days of Jim Crow to the point that people may not even recognize it in themselves. (Watch people in a Texas town where blacks are still afraid to stop [​IMG])
    A poll conducted last week by Opinion Research Corp. for CNN indicates that whites and blacks disagree on how serious a problem racial bias is in the United States.
    Almost half of black respondents to the poll -- 49 percent -- said racism is a "very serious" problem, while 18 percent of whites shared that view. Forty-eight percent of whites and 35 percent of blacks chose the description "somewhat serious."
    Asked if they know someone they consider racist, 43 percent of whites and 48 percent of blacks said yes.
    But just 13 percent of whites and 12 percent of blacks consider themselves racially biased.
    Professor Jack Dovidio of the University of Connecticut, who has researched racism for more than 30 years, estimates up to 80 percent of white Americans have racist feelings they may not even recognize.
    "We've reached a point that racism is like a virus that has mutated into a new form that we don't recognize," Dovidio said.
    He added that 21st-century racism is different from that of the past.
    "Contemporary racism is not conscious, and it is not accompanied by dislike, so it gets expressed in indirect, subtle ways," he said.
    That "stealth" discrimination reveals itself in many different situations.
    A three-year undercover investigation by the National Fair Housing Alliance found that real estate agents steered whites away from integrated neighborhoods and steered blacks in to predominantly black neighborhoods.
    Racism also can be a factor in getting a job.
    Candidates named Emily O'Brien or Neil McCarthy were much more likely to get calls back from potential employers than applicants named Tamika Williams and Jamal Jackson, even though they had the same credentials, according to a study by the University of Chicago.
    Racial bias may even determine whether you can flag a cab.
    New York Times writer Calvin Sims wrote a recent article about all the cabdrivers that refused to stop for him.
    "If a cab passes you by, obviously it is frustrating, it's degrading and it's just really confusing, because this is akin to being in the South and being refused service at a lunch counter, which is what happened in the 60s and 70s," he said.
    Victimized

    The Opinion Research poll shows that blacks and whites disagree on how each race feels about the other.
    Asked how many whites dislike blacks, 40 percent of black respondents said "all" or "many." Twenty-six percent of whites chose one of those replies.
    On the question of how many blacks dislike whites, 33 percent of blacks said "all" or "many," while 38 percent of whites agreed -- a wash because of the poll's 5 percent margin of error.
    About half of black respondents said they had been a victim of discrimination because of their race. A little more than a quarter of whites said they had been victims of racial discrimination.
    The poll was based on phone interviews conducted December 5 through Thursday with 1,207 Americans, including 328 blacks and 703 non-Hispanic whites.
     
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    Lex,

    I see many places where it isnt stealth at all. It is out and about and doing well.....
     
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    And to further complicate things... whites are the *minority* in the top
    100 populated US cities. So I'm not sure of which way the racism thing is
    slanted anymores? BTW, I'm not racist.
     
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    Y'all go ahead and keep on sticking with Du Bois.

    I choose to hang with Booker T.
     
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    Actually,

    Booker T supported the NAACP on the down low. He was of an earlier time and difference circumstances. He had to get the money for his school so he down toned his act a bit but his legacy speaks for itself. They represented two different aspects of a very diverse community
     
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    I'm with Kimmie. I've seen it way too many times. I don't think that some people mean to be racist, but it's just their upbringing. They don't know how not to be racist.

    I have people ask me all the time, "do you still work for that Black church?" When I proudly tell them that I'm not only an employee, but a church member, I sometimes get wierd looks. I have had to explain on many occasions that we're all going to be in heaven together, we might as well go to church together.

    I had another musician ask me once, "does your church do real music?" WTF? What's real music? Just because I'm in a historically and predominantly Black church doesn't mean that we can't do "real" music (whatever that is)?

    If people would stop looking at the outside and look on the inside, they'd see that humans are just humans. We have the same problems, we have the same needs, we have the same wants. How we express things may differ from culture to culture, but we're all just people.

    It makes me so sad and angry when I see racism in action.
     
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    This is one of the 21st century aspects about race in the USA that I find of great interest. I believe that we are at an inflection point demographically where the white majority is turning into a minority. Collectively, groups with "minority status" outnumber the White majority in 100 cities as you reported below. Is White American prepared to handle this social phenomenon?

    There are two ways to go as a society: incorporation or division. In the UK, or London in particular, I've observed several public and private attempts to acknowledge and embrace such diversity. These days, it's quite common to go through entire parts of London without really seeing any Anglo-Saxons. In contrast, in (Southern) California, I've observed a strong Anglo vs. Hispanic distancing, where the White minority still has the financial and political might.




     
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    I have seen more of the racism Lex refs to than blatant racism. I always referred to it as "inadventent racism" because the people didn't actually harbor feelings that some races are inherently superior or inferior to others but were condescending to or unnecessarily deferential with minorities. For instance, they wouldn't join in good-natured banter if they thought they might offend the black or Jewish or Hispanic or gay person, in effect separating him from the others. Others justified business decisions that adversely affected minorites as simply protecting their assets, "nothing personal, you know." Maybe I am naive because I grew up without seeing racism till I moved to the East, but if I were a minority, I think I'd prefer the obvious racism that lets me know where I stand; I wouldn't have to experience those awkward moments because we wouldn't be together in the first place. Racism of any kind is reprehensible, of course, but the sliminess of the subtle racism makes my flesh crawl.
     
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    That's fucking brilliant! The perfect Catch 22. Since we are unable to control our subconscious blacks can now always and forever claim victimhood. And whites likewise will always be guilty of oppression and owe reparations.

    Awesome!
     
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    If there was ever anything I learned from the mafia, it was that when you thought you were fucking them, they were really fucking you.

    (In shmuck terms: When you thought you were going right, you were turning left. Don't argue with the mafia. :mad:)



    Unless they stand up and force themselves to be counted... well,.. nobody is obliged to give a shit, nor apologise either :D
     
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    Rarely mentioned is that Martin Luther King and his accomplishments can, if nothing else, account for the greatest economic benefit this country has ever achieved.

    Think about it.:cool:
     
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    stealth - avoiding detection by moving carefully
    wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

    Yeah, that sounds about right. I live near the flight paths for Mc Guire AirForce Base, Fort Dix Army Base, Fort Monmouth Army Base, Lakehurst Naval Air Base, and Earle Naval Weapons Station. People tend to forget the naked eye can see a stealth bomber, it's just the radar that can't.
    It's not like pilots are up there in Wonder Woman's Invisible Plane.

    Same thing with stealth racism the only people who can't see it are the ones who need to, the HR Managers who back bullying bosses. The judges trying the cases of the few people brave enough to take it to court.
    The mid-level managers who allow verbal and emotional harassment of Gays, Asians, Blacks, Native Americans, etc. on a daily basis. They know it's there they just pretend not to see it.

    IMHO stealth racism is the spoiled psychopathic grandchild of institutional racism. Stokely Carmichael as a few of you may recall, was a Black Panther, he popularized the phrase institutional racism in the 1960's.


    Institutional Racism
    institutional racism: Information from Answers.com
    (or structural racism or systemic racism) is a form of racism that occurs in institutions such as public bodies and corporations, including universities. The term was coined by black nationalist, pan-Africanist and honorary prime minister of the Black Panther Party Stokely Carmichael. In the late 1960s, he defined the term as "the collective failure of an organisation to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture or ethnic origin".[1]

    Institutional racism is distinguished from the bigotry or racial bias of individuals by the existence of systematic policies and practices that have the effect of disadvantaging certain racial or ethnic groups. Race-based discrimination in housing (see restrictive covenants) and bank lending (see redlining), for example, are forms of institutional racism. Other examples include the systematic profiling of members of certain races by security and law enforcement workers, use of stereotyped caricatures of certain racial groups by institutions (like "Indian" mascots in sports), the under- and mis-representation of members of certain racial groups in the media, and barriers to employment or professional advancement based on race.
     
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    Victims are good at coming up with fancy names if nothing else.
     
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    Hmmm Interesting. When racism is mentioned on this site, it's usually white and black. My mother's people suffered more than just about anybody. Nobody seems to ever mention them in issues of racism. Yes, we are Cherokee. Our people were rounded up and forced to live on the worst land available. They were marched on a death march to Oklahoma. They were put on land deemed worthless. They were the indigenious people of the nation and yet, nobody seems to ever mention the racism they still suffer.
     
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    Sadly, racism is still rampant in this country. As someone else said it's not just the black vs white thing either. Many people are racist about Hispanics,
    Indians, Russians, Arabs, and many other ethnic groups.

    It also seem to be worse in the South...especially against African Americans.
    I live far enough South on the East Coast that I see planty of it and it's really sickening.
     
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    Racism is not peculiar to this nation. It exists in Asia and Africa too. In some nations, the different tribes see themselves as their own race. That's part of what was behind the genocide in Africa. I just get tired of hearing about it when my own people suffer from the racism and very few even think of it. Maybe, it's their own form of prejudice.
    At one point, Lena Horne told about her own family. She said that her ancestors the Hornes were white. Mr. Horne married an American Indian woman. Things were worse for Indians than blacks. So, they claimed she was black. The foolish laws in effect at the time, required the descendants to list their race as black. So...... now you know the rest of the story.
     
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    Everybody is prejudiced. Maybe not Racist, per se, but unfairly biassed against some other natural feature of the people they live around (or don't live around).

    It is in each and every one of us, and we'd all do well to aknowledge that. Rather than pointing fingers at each other and saying "you're racist," "no, you're racist," "nuh-uh, you are," we should all accept that WE are racist and start doing something to change ourselves.

    I've known many people, gay, black, hispanic, female, etc, who think they can't be prejudiced because they, themselves are minorities. WRONG. Many gay people are homophobic, still others are heterophobic. Some blacks and hispanics i know are HIGHLY racist. And who amongst us has never met a misogynistic woman? All of these people i know who hate themselves also hate everybody else.

    We all oppress ourselves before we oppress anyone else. Surprisingly, when we stop oppressing ourselves, we also stop oppressing others.
     
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    I salute you JBT. Hmmm waves loincloth in the air. ooooops ummm :biggrin1:
     
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    True this. Its funny that the West wants Turkey to confess genocide on the Armenians while no one has ever asked that of America and the Indians. Some of the things we did during the California gold rush days (or even the Phillipines) are truly mind boggling. (i.e. The bounty offered on Indian ears.)

    But then again some bleeding hearts have left the indians their 'nations' (reservations) and casinos, something the Armenians don't have :)

    The Seminoles down here are okay. Casinos and nations is something that blacks don't really have. Maybe thats why they talk about racism and you as a (part) Cherokee don't. Though I've heard Indians talk about racism too. Look at the brewhaha over the Cleveland Indians 'mascot' or the Marquette Warriors name.
     
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    Yeah, but don't tell anybody you are 'racist' and trying to get over it, it doesn't work.:smile:
     
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