Uh...did I?

[HiddenLacey]

Ok I've read the whole thread. I've experienced this twice to my knowledge. I don't know what it is. I'm not sure that it's urine and I'm not sure that it's not urine. However wikipedia has an entire page full of info and links about it and the studies. I copied part that I found interesting. I'm not arguing because I don't know what it is and from what I can tell the dr's don't know either. I think everyone has interesting arguements as to what they think it is.

Source of fluid
One very practical objection relates to the reported volumes ejaculated since this fluid must be stored somewhere in the pelvis, of which the urinary bladder is the largest source. The actual volume of the para-urethral tissue is quite small. By comparison, male ejaculate varies from 0.2–6.6 mL (0.04–1.3 tsp) (95% confidence interval), with a maximum of 13 mL (2.6 tsp).[75] Therefore claims of larger amounts of ejaculate are likely to contain at least some amount of urine. The eleven specimens analyzed by Goldberg in 1983,[73] ranged from 3–15 mL (0.6–3.0 tsp).[74] One source states that Skene's glands are capable of excreting 30–50 mL (6–10 tsp) in 30–50 seconds,[63] but it is unclear how this was measured and has not been confirmed. One approach is to use a chemical like methylene blue (or drugs like Urised which contain it) so that any urinary component can be detected.[74] Belzer showed that in one woman he studied, the dye was found in her urine, but not her orgasmic expulsion.[40]
PAP and PSA have been identified in the para-urethral tissues, using biochemical and immunohistochemical methods, suggesting that the ejaculate likely arises from the ducts in these tissues, in a manner homologous to that in the male.[76][77][78][79][80] Another marker common to the prostate/para-urethral tissue in the both sexes is Human Protein 1.[81]
PSA occurs in urine, and is elevated in post-orgasmic samples compared to pre-orgasmic. Simultaneous collection of ejaculate also showed PSA in both urine and ejaculate in all cases, but in higher concentration in the ejaculate than in the urine.[60]

 

[petite]

Interesting! The para-urethral tissues are Skene's glands, which produces female lubrication, and copious amounts of it sometimes. However, that's the structure I don't believe is capable of ejaculation because of the lack of musculature that could cause the expulsion of fluid away from the vagina. The analogous structure comparison with the prostate by analyzing the biochemical composition of the fluids collected from it is interesting (from the reference link), but the prostate itself does not squirt, it just produces some of the fluid in male ejaculate.

 

[HiddenLacey]

Interesting! The para-urethral tissues are Skene's glands, which produces female lubrication, and copious amounts of it sometimes. However, that's the structure I don't believe is capable of ejaculation because of the lack of musculature that could cause the expulsion of fluid away from the vagina. The analogous structure comparison with the prostate by analyzing the biochemical composition of the fluids collected from it is interesting (from the reference link), but the prostate itself does not squirt, it just produces some of the fluid in male ejaculate.

I knew you would find it interesting That's why I've never been 100% sure what it is. It doesn't smell like urine, but I've seldom done it. I haven't ever had an issue controlling the urge to urinate I'm in my 20's and I haven't had any kids, so to my knowledge I don't have any condition that would cause me to lose control of those muscle's even for a moment. I'm still up in the air about the whole thing. Until dr's conclusively figure out what it is I going to hold judgement on the whole thing and just continue reading. I knew about the wikipedia info because I read about it the first time I did it.

Oops editing here : And I tend to think it's possible that it is the same lubrication fluid that our bodies naturally release. I don't really think we are meant to "squirt" it. I think continued stimulation of the g-spot causes this to happen. Which is why when I see vids with people basically passing a stream (like urine) I tend to believe they are not "squirting" that is not what happened to me. It's more like a gush of clear/milky fluid.

 

[kc2007]

Petite, you are an intelligent woman and I enjoy reading your posts, however I see a trend developing. Just like you believe everyone must talk about all things they like and dislike sexually with their partners before anything sexual takes place, because you have never "squirted" it's just urine being expelled by women who's vaginas are not as strong??

If it was such a proven fact, why haven't doctors come out and said, "it's 100% urine, case closed". No one knows it seems, even those who study this stuff day in day out. I know from first hand experience, it doesn't look nor smell like urine. Are there traces of urine in it, most likely, but it is definitely not 100% urine. Also, when a woman squirt in real life, it doesn't shoot out like a fire hose or even the same as when a women urinates, but more leaks with a little bit of spraying. Inconsistent spraying perhaps would be a good description, although I'm sure this varies from woman to woman.

 

[AlteredEgo]

"so called"? What do you call it?

I don't believe female ejaculation/squirting is what people think it is, but something obviously happens during orgasm. It's real in the sense that something squirts with some women. I just suspect the answer is mundane.

I call it so-called. Sometimes I call it squirting. It happened to me only once, but it certainly wasn't anything like when a man does it, nor was it what I would call squirting. Whatever came out came out with enough force to fight gravity (that is, it didn't just fall downward, rather backward instead since I was on my knees), however, not hard enough to hear it hit the surface it landed upon, nor feel like much was coming out of me. There was enough to soak the front of my lovers pants since we were both pretty fully dressed. We examined the stain quite thoroughly because we were in public, and needed to figure out the best way to clean it/ hide it. It was definitely not urine, but it definitely came out of my urethra. As with any time I have sex, my bladder was emptied at least once right before the encounter. I can't orgasm with a full bladder. The sensation is too distracting.

 

[petite]

kc2007, you are putting words in my mouth. In my first post I said it was my opinion, and I've repeated that this is my opinion/belief over and over again.

However, like many people who come to an opinion after careful consideration, there are facts that I believe support my opinion. I was simply explaining how I came to believe what I believe. No different than people who believe in global warming or any other conclusion that is based on scientific evidence. No, the evidence is not conclusive. That doesn't mean that I shouldn't share the evidence that led me to my conclusion with you so you understand why I believe what I believe, giving you and others the opportunity to consider those ideas also and discuss them politely and intelligently.

It doesn't harm me if anyone believes differently from me. The only real issue about squirting regards the men who feel that they are unsuccessful lovers because of the myth of squirting.

Just like you believe everyone must talk about all things they like and dislike sexually with their partners before anything sexual takes place

Whoa, buddy! WHAT??? Talk about misunderstanding!

Good grief! Where do I even begin on this one!

What you wrote sounds idiotic. I would never say that. In fact I said in one of those threads that I usually don't start talking about sex with a man until I've slept with someone at least a half dozen times, but I always start with very vanilla sex, so discussion isn't necessary.

You must be talking about my belief that men and women should talk about sex, which I discussed in this thread http://www.lpsg.org/183286-dirty-kinky-and-sexy-or.html

Or do you mean my belief that before a man and a woman engage in any bdsm, sex using force, or role play "rape" scenes that a man and a woman should discuss it verbally first to make sure that each one knows the other's limits and what they want?

Look, I said it again here:

Who talks about sex? People who want to have really great sex.

Pay more attention to the OP, will you? No one said that anyone should discuss beforehand every time you have missionary sex.

We're talking about whether your new lover should suprise you by role playing a rape fantasy the first time or if you might have a few things to discuss first.

Why would you make talking about sex with you sound so unappetizing? Makes sex with you sound really boring.

Talking about sex should turn your partner on. It should be like the best foreplay, not like some contract meeting. You don't even have to actual talk, you can sext all the dirty little things you want to do over the course of the day, or you can watch porn and say tell her that what you've watched just turned you on and you want to do it. Oh my god, you just talked about sex when you did that!

Amazing!

 

[DaveyR]

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P.S. Please no guys coming in here to wank, thanks.

As if

 

[HiddenLacey]

As if

Why is this the funniest thing I've read today:tongue:

 

[Tattooed Goddess]

Why is this the funniest thing I've read today:tongue:

Because this was a good thread that turned to shit, thats why.

 

[Tattooed Goddess]

Interesting! The para-urethral tissues are Skene's glands, which produces female lubrication, and copious amounts of it sometimes. However, that's the structure I don't believe is capable of ejaculation because of the lack of musculature that could cause the expulsion of fluid away from the vagina. The analogous structure comparison with the prostate by analyzing the biochemical composition of the fluids collected from it is interesting (from the reference link), but the prostate itself does not squirt, it just produces some of the fluid in male ejaculate.

Actually, the glands responsible for vaginal lubrication are the Bartholin's Glands.

 

[petite]

Actually, the glands responsible for vaginal lubrication are the Bartholin's Glands.

They both are.

"Skene's glands, also called periurethral or paraurethral glands, are located around the opening of the urethra. The tissue that surrounds them includes part of the clitoris. The glands may be involved in sexual stimulation and lubrication for sexual intercourse." (Source: The Merck Manual)

Please don't nitpick semantics unless it's relevant to a counter-argument. It's tiresomely pedantic without purpose.

 

[Tattooed Goddess]

They both are.

Skene's glands, also called periurethral or paraurethral glands, are located around the opening of the urethra. The tissue that surrounds them includes part of the clitoris. The glands may be involved in sexual stimulation and lubrication for sexual intercourse. (Source: The Merck Manual)

Please don't nitpick semantics unless it's relevant to a counter-argument. It's tiresomely pedantic without purpose.

Seriously Woman, go take a fucking break. Your attitude towards everyone is getting tiresomely pendantic. Someone else picks your words apart the way you do someone elses words and you go flying off the fucking handle.

Could be the hormones. Either way, it's pissing me off and many others if you read any posts remotely above or below yours. And don't bother sending me a nasty-gram about taking me off your friendslist- no one cares about your blog anyway.

 

[Fleur]

Because this was a good thread that turned to shit, thats why.

Yeah...it got hijacked, by Petite, unfortunately. This thread is now called "Squirting: Real or Not?"

Carry on.

 

[petite]

Seriously Woman, go take a fucking break. Your attitude towards everyone is getting tiresomely pendantic. Someone else picks your words apart the way you do someone elses words and you go flying off the fucking handle.

Could be the hormones. Either way, it's pissing me off and many others if you read any posts remotely above or below yours. And don't bother sending me a nasty-gram about taking me off your friendslist- no one cares about your blog anyway.

I'm not flying off the handle. You're correcting things that aren't wrong just to correct something, even though there's no point that you're making. That's what's tiresome. I've included links to everything I've talked about that demonstrates it's "correctness" anyway.

I understand that you probably don't want to put any misinformation out there, and that's fair, but a lot of these discussions veer away from the meat of the discussion onto things like whether the vans deferens could be said to be muscular or not, or whether the Skene's gland is passive or not, when it's totally clear what was meant long ago and it's not actually relevant to any of the premises or conclusions.

I haven't picked apart anyone's words. I'm very fair towards others and their wording, giving them a chance to re-word a badly written post, and restate their positions anytime I'm discussing anything with anyone. I hate semantic arguments, harping on about someone's wording when it doesn't represent the views that they're attempting to express. I consider that petty, so I don't engage in that behavior.

Wow, that was really mean Mlle. Rouge. What did I do to you?

I haven't said anything mean to you or Fleur, yet I'm getting attacked for expressing my opinion and providing the reasons why I believe what I believe.

 

[petite]

Yeah...it got hijacked, by Petite, unfortunately. This thread is now called "Squirting: Real or Not?"

Carry on.

I apologize for hijacking your thread. I didn't mean to offend.

 

[Tattooed Goddess]

I'm not flying off the handle. You're correcting things that aren't wrong just to correct something, even though there's no point that you're making. That's what's tiresome. I've included links to everything I've talked about that demonstrates it's "correctness" anyway.

I understand that you probably don't want to put any misinformation out there, and that's fair, but a lot of these discussions veer away from the meat of the discussion onto things like whether the vans deferens could be said to be muscular or not, or whether the Skene's gland is passive or not, when it's totally clear what was meant long ago and it's not actually relevant to any of the premises or conclusions.

I haven't picked apart anyone's words. I'm very fair towards others and their wording, giving them a chance to re-word a badly written post, and restate their positions anytime I'm discussing anything with anyone. I hate semantic arguments, harping on about someone's wording when it doesn't represent the views that they're attempting to express. I consider that petty, so I don't engage in that behavior.

Wow, that was really mean Mlle. Rouge. What did I do to you?

Actually, your Art of Letting Me Have it Your Way doesnt fly. I know a lot about psychology and I'm not fooled. I've seen so many people apologize for supposedly putting words in your mouth, assuming things about you, disagreeing with you. In fact, there are multiple ones i read the whole week i was gone. So maybe i just got my fill of it?

The guys and ladies around here have a lot of good things to say- even if they don't follow your psychobabble and grey's anatomy links. You started out a really nice person here but im beginning to see your paranoia about being personally attacked when someone is merely telling about their own experience says a lot about your personality and insecurities.

Dolfette at her most man-hating moments cheered up the board more than this. It's a dragger. It never has a crack of a sense of humor to it, and i know you'd like to believe i didn't want to make a mistake by "correcting you" but honestly, i really didn't want you to make a bigger ass out of yourself.

You don't have to do anything personally to me for me to see through what you are trying to do around here and that's make this place all about being fearful about disagreeing with you. People disagree here all the time without sounding like they are a Walking Thesaurus with The Holier Than Thou whip like we see on the Politics board. You can state how you feel without negating everything someone else said before or after you.

As you can see no one keeps apologizing to the person who is always offended. You are carrying a hammer and everything is looking like a nail.

 

[MickeyLee]

that's it... clothes off... all the ladies in the jello... right now..

no more of this bickering....

jello... wrasslin.. boobs... we can make this work, people!!

 

[Fleur]

that's it... clothes off... all the ladies in the jello... right now..

no more of this bickering....

jello... wrasslin.. boobs... we can make this work, people!!

I'm only going if you and MR get naked. And it's strawberry jello.

 

[MickeyLee]

*strips of jeans.. tosses shirt over shoulder* strawberry and kiwi mixed in :biggrin:

you wouldn't believe how many stores i had to go to and the looks i got

*cannonballs jello pit*

come, me lassies.. come into the jello pit.. come to where the flavor is :tongue:

 

[petite]

Actually, your Art of Letting Me Have it Your Way doesnt fly. I know a lot about psychology and I'm not fooled. I've seen so many people apologize for supposedly putting words in your mouth, assuming things about you, disagreeing with you. In fact, there are multiple ones i read the whole week i was gone. So maybe i just got my fill of it?

You've lost me. What are you talking about? We've always been friends. Why are you suddenly attacking me? Never mind. I don't want to know. If you don't want to be friends, then we don't have to be friends, but I wouldn't drag someone else through the mud in the general forums, so I'm not going to ask you to do it to me by asking you that question.

The guys and ladies around here have a lot of good things to say- even if they don't follow your psychobabble and grey's anatomy links. You started out a really nice person here but im beginning to see your paranoia about being personally attacked when someone is merely telling about their own experience says a lot about your personality and insecurities.

I agree that other people here have good things to say. I never said otherwise. Mlle. Rouge, I understand that Fleur is your friend, and we have many friends in common, but please let us work this out between the two of us. All of us will more likely end as friends that way.

I believe I've implied a lot of respect for everyone else here. When I trust you and others here to understand my reasoning enough to debate it with me politely and intelligently, the subtext there is, "Your opinions are valid and I believe you're intelligent."

Constantly saying that no one except the professionally qualified has a right to express an opinion does the opposite, I feel. I feel like the subtext here was, "Personal anecdotes we'll unquestioningly accept, but don't dare try and bring an opinion based on scientific evidence into this discussion! That's not allowed unless you show a diploma!" To me that's condescending not only to me, but to everyone else who has a well-reasoned opinion and who expresses it.

Dolfette at her most man-hating moments cheered up the board more than this. It's a dragger. It never has a crack of a sense of humor to it, and i know you'd like to believe i didn't want to make a mistake by "correcting you" but honestly, i really didn't want you to make a bigger ass out of yourself.

I apologize if I've been humorless lately. I agree with you there. I do need to lighten up. I haven't been my usual cheery self lately.

You don't have to do anything personally to me for me to see through what you are trying to do around here and that's make this place all about being fearful about disagreeing with you. People disagree here all the time without sounding like they are a Walking Thesaurus with The Holier Than Thou whip like we see on the Politics board. You can state how you feel without negating everything someone else said before or after you.

I don't want anyone to be afraid of disagreeing with me. I try my best to remain polite and respectful towards others when I disagree, and I admit that I don't always succeed, but I try my best. I am not trying to make anyone afraid of me. The idea that anyone would ever be afraid of me is laughable. I'm just not a scary person.

As you can see no one keeps apologizing to the person who is always offended. You are carrying a hammer and everything is looking like a nail.

I apologize because I can admit when I'm wrong. It's a quality that I deeply admire in others, so I try to practice it myself. It's not surprising that few people ever do. I think I can count only a few times when anyone here on LPSG has done it and it's increased my respect for them because they did. It's an extremely rare trait. Most people would rather argue to the death before they admit that they've done or said anything wrong. I believe it takes a very big person to apologize.

You are free to disagree with me on whether it's an admirable trait for a person to have.