Uh Oh San Francisco, Nudity Banned??

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It won't pass. Not in SF.

It did pass, Shocking isn't it?
Scott Wiener is the District 8 Supervisor, representing the Gay Castro and Liberal Noe Valley. I suspect Scott Wiener represents the Big $$$ Downtown Corp Arena, rather than his District 8.
 

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What's really fucked up about this is that the path towards increased acceptance and prevalence of public nudity has been blocked by a few compulsive exhibitionists.

The path towards greater acceptance of exhibitionism is through normalization of nudity, and the path towards acceptance of nudity is blocked by exhibitionism.

So a handful of crazies made Scott Wiener look good and by their refusal to take feedback on how their exhibitionist conduct was poised to impact others cost many more folks the right to be naked.

We live in a political world where there are consequences and backlashes for ill-considered advances. Not all that is prohibited is permissible nor desirable. It is not against the law to fart in elevators, but that is not a license to fart in elevators.

If one's got to wear a cock ring to be nude in public, then one's not listening to one's body's signals that it is too chilly to be naked in public. If one's not going to take cues from one's own body, then why would anyone expect one to take cues from others?

Fluffing in a neighborhood commercial district is exhibitionism which is sexual. Sexualizing public spaces which community standards have not designated as sexual is an act of unconsensual sex.

People are not down with being made to be a party to unconsensual sex in a pedestrian neighborhood commercial district context. It is sad that the individuals who were compulsively naked and cock ringed and oblivious to community resistance to that have cost nudists the right to be naked in public for non sexual contexts and erected barriers to future acceptance of exhibitionism by making public nudity more difficult.

Everyone loses here but the conservative supervisor. Well played, trolls!
 

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The only logical solution for San Francisco is to go the Key West route. On Key West's Duval Street there sits a clothing-optional rooftop bar called the Garden of Eden. Accessed either through an interior three-flight staircase at The Bull or a more discreet outdoor flight of stairs, this nude bar is a fantastic party place by night (or day when the cruise ships dock.) The times my wife and I were there, the Garden of Eden was a harmonic blend of gays and straights enjoying nudity, drinks and body painting.

Why the heck can't a progressive city like San Francisco get a clothing-optional nightclub in operation? I'd bet within a month the place would have worldwide media coverage.
 

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Traditionally, the alcohol authorities have used nudity and liquor licenses to target gay men in California.

As the City's demographics are shifting, away from the gay refugees, away from the cultural castaways of the 1970s/80s and into drones for the emerging speculative web economy, we're going to continue to see a homogenization of what had been a creative coastal cultural crucible.

These demographics are the results of intentional public policies put into place by those who've bought San Francisco local politics and are seeking to remake the City in their safe, suburban image.

Nancy Pelosi can't be taken seriously as a national political leader if the faggots are parading around naked in the streets, can she? SO the conservative wing of the Democrat Party, including Feinstein who closed the baths in the 80s, supports tea party liberals like Scott Wiener to burn down the drawbridge that offered us refuge from the flyover.

The exhibitionist trolls played their role perfectly and now conservatives advance as we retreat.
 

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How odd for San Francisco to ban public nudity...

I suspect that what motivated the voters was not nudity, but the nudity of certain persons...The people who like to expose themselves are not always those who can afford it, and that must have ruffled some feathers, even in the Castro.
 

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How odd for San Francisco to ban public nudity...

I suspect that what motivated the voters was not nudity, but the nudity of certain persons...The people who like to expose themselves are not always those who can afford it, and that must have ruffled some feathers, even in the Castro.

The issue was not public nudity. It was several exhibitionists, some with mental health issues, who compulsively wore cock rings and presented themselves to the world on every remotely sunny day. Perhaps 1/2 of these individuals were heteros who were taking advantage of gay hospitality.

The voters did not pass this, the supervisors did and the Mayor signed it.
 

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The issue was not public nudity. It was several exhibitionists, some with mental health issues, who compulsively wore cock rings and presented themselves to the world on every remotely sunny day. Perhaps 1/2 of these individuals were heteros who were taking advantage of gay hospitality.

The voters did not pass this, the supervisors did and the Mayor signed it.

I don't know about that "heteros taking advantage" bit, but I do agree that the problem many nude venues encounter are from those who take their freedoms to extremes by doing things that garner unwanted negative attention, which in turn results in some kind of punitive actions against the whole.

Imo, most who engage in clothes optional recreation DON'T particularly want an audience.
 

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punk09 said it perfectly. (please run for local government)!


Thanks, Daisy, I did run for Supervisor 13 years ago now and what I learned from that process curses me with enough context to understand what's happening behind the scenes along with the knowledge that the money that drives the system has an immune response against average folks making change or stopping regression if they win office.

This City is a cash machine and anyone who comes between the corrupt who have designs on our resources, on our beautiful City, are ground to dust as the developers and conservatives remake the City in their suburban images.

What's happening to the coral reefs is happening to our urban coastal interesting enclaves, slow starvation in pursuit of illusory profits so that nobody in the future will be as fortunate as we've been in this respect.

Nudity had nothing to do with this, actually. This was an act by the new conservative majority done solely to prove that they could and to set the tone as to who is in charge of the new, serious, ready for business San Francisco.
 
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I don't know about that "heteros taking advantage" bit, but I do agree that the problem many nude venues encounter are from those who take their freedoms to extremes by doing things that garner unwanted negative attention, which in turn results in some kind of punitive actions against the whole.

Imo, most who engage in clothes optional recreation DON'T particularly want an audience.

There were perhaps six men who frequented the Castro naked with another six max coming out on nicer days. Of the first six, two were hets. The guy who wears the wig and jerks off at all of the sex festivals would hang at 17th and Castro as well as at the Embarcadero. "This Naked Guy" a het who would pose with women likewise frequented the Castro. Nothing wrong with hets or naked hets, it is just the mentally unstable exhibitionists who are doing more harm to others by getting their jollies in our neighborhood.

That's what's messed up.
 

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Was just in SF this past weekend. After lunch at Nordstroms, there was a small crowd gathered on one of the floor levels as I came down the escalator. Three gurads surround this naked guy. Guess you can't be naked in Nordstroms anymore? And, no, he was not worth the look.
 

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There were perhaps six men who frequented the Castro naked with another six max coming out on nicer days. Of the first six, two were hets. The guy who wears the wig and jerks off at all of the sex festivals would hang at 17th and Castro as well as at the Embarcadero. "This Naked Guy" a het who would pose with women likewise frequented the Castro. Nothing wrong with hets or naked hets, it is just the mentally unstable exhibitionists who are doing more harm to others by getting their jollies in our neighborhood.

That's what's messed up.

The old nudist adage "nude is not lewd" could've been better heeded here. This is why most organized naturist/nudist venues frown (as a matter of official "policy" at least) on genitalia "jewelry" and outright sexual behavior . Posing with visitors, perhaps a minor concern, jerking off in public certainly more so, though I gather from your statement that the guy you mentioned who jerks off does so at "sex festivals". ??

I'm not familiar with them but if they are indeed "sex festivals" I'd imagine he has plenty of company. So unless he's doing the same at non sexual venues, I don't follow the logic.

Perhaps they are just one or two (of a few) who are being used as reasons for shutting it all down, maybe? It really doesn't take much for those opposed to public or social nudity to go on a rant about it.

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