Uk Election 2019

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Warning: You may encounter deep cynicism in this thread.

The story so far. The Right Wing can't bully their desire for a Hard Brexit through Parliament, so they are now holding a General Election to shake up that Parliament, in the hope that they will gain a parliamentary majority from the General Election.

The thing about this is that you only need about 35% of the people to vote for you to gain a majority in Parliament. Effectively the Right Wing are looking to force through the UK into leaving Europe which is opposed by at least 50% with a vote of 35%. This is Democracy.

In the meantime, the arch Right-winger has called the victims of Grenfell, the UK's deadliest fire, dumbasses for not leaving the building despite being told by the Fire Service to stay put. A Government Minister has resigned for supporting a political colleague who deliberately undermined a rape trial. The rapist was convicted later. But thanks for than one.

And now, after only a couple of days, the campaign has descended into a spending bribery Dutch Auction. I think the latest bid for your vote is £200 Billion (that someone else will pay for of course).

We're all very proud.
 

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The backgroundto this election is pretty much the same as in 2017. The biggest difference is that there are now maybe 55% remainers in the country whereas at the last election it was maybe 50% remainers. And so the big question is whether these remainers will come together behind one party, or at least the remain party locally with the best chance, creating a remain parliament.

It isnt clear this will result in a labour win, but the most likely result is fewer conservative MPs.

I keep arguing that both May and now Johnson have called elections with the expectation they will lose ground, and the hope they will be out of office so that Brexit becomes someone elses problem. The conservartives cannot be seen to stop brexit happenning, but also they cannot allow it to happen.

If con get a majority, they have pledged to carry out brexit quickly. There will then be a brexit recession. Their change in spending policy is nothing more than a keynsian stimulus to try to keep the Uk economy going in the face of this brexit recession. They havnt had a change of heart over spending, they just believe there will be a brexit recession which has to be limited by borrow and spend.

Whereas, if labour or remain win and a new rederendum cancels brexit, there will be a remain boom. So any labour spending promises will be against the background of improved national accounts and therefore much easier to finance.

Not forgetting of course, that after 9 years of conservative government, the nation has not got back to the wealth standards it enjoyed under the last labour government anyway. A brexit recession will happen before we have recovered from the last recession caused by US bank fraud. That is really bad timing for such self inflicted harm.
 

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R4 just observed that there are currently 60,000 people working for the NHS in Britain who would not be allowed into the country under conservatives proposed immigration rules. the NHS already has a staff shortage. How is this going to be made good, or are we all going to vote conservative to ensure the NHS doesnt have enough staff?
 

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From my blog today...

Parliament finally broke up on Tuesday in readiness for the upcoming General Election, but it has not been an uneventful week, in fact far from it.

Ms Swinson was straight out of the stalls, declaring that she would make a better Prime Minister than either Mr Johnson or Mr Corbyn. She is of course entitled to her view but it is pure fantasy to suggest that the next Government will be Liberal Democrat led, even if the party plays the part of being King maker in the event of a hung Parliament. Realistically the next Prime Minister will be one of two people and Ms Swinson’s name isn’t in the frame. Who it is will depend on how the electorate chooses to vote but the choice is a clear one. If things go well it will be Mr Johnson, a man not universally admired, even within his own party, but nevertheless someone with a message of positivity and hope as well as a ‘can do’ attitude. If, on the other hand they go badly, it will be Mr Corbyn, an old man who will march us straight back to the Nineteen Seventies and the politics of envy and class jealousy and all that goes with it. It will not be Ms Swinson, determined as she is to rescind Article 50 without troubling herself to test public opinion first. Perhaps it isn’t altogether surprising that the Liberal Democrats have brokered a ‘remain pact’ with the Greens and Welsh Nationalists in some sixty constituencies.

Meanwhile John Watson, Labour’s deputy leader, has announced his resignation, it is said to allow him to focus on family and other things but there is little doubt as to his disaffection with the current state of the party. Indeed, so unshakeable is the faith in Mr Corbyn’s leadership that four ex Labour MPs have taken the remarkable step of encouraging voters to vote Conservative. For that to happen it really has come to something!

Meanwhile Mr Farage initially ruled out any kind of electoral pact with the Tories, declaring that the Brexit party would stand candidates in some six hundred seats. However, the ground has gone from under him somewhat as a number of them have declared their intention to not stand, realising that the objectives of Brexit will be better served by not splitting the leave vote and encouraging people to vote Conservative. Mr Farage hasn’t exactly helped his own cause by declining to stand for Parliament himself, claiming that he can better support the party by making the party’s case throughout the country. He may not see it like that, but to many people he will appear to have chickened out. Few of us thought that Mr Farage could outchicken Mr Corbyn on the electoral front, but that’s how it will appear to the voting public, whatever the reality on the ground. Whilst Mr Farage has made his case with some eloquence as an MEP over the years, his record in domestic elections, both personally and as party leader, has been dismal. Had he decided to stand in a winnable seat such as Peterborough, it would at least have shown that he meant business and was prepared to put his money where his mouth was.

In a particularly alarming development today, Ms Sturgeon has let it be known that the SNP would be prepared to support a minority Labour Government in return for a second referendum on Scottish independence. It is quite bad enough that Ms Sturgeon leads a party which is intent on breaking up the United Kingdom, without proposing to subject the rest of the Kingdom of to up to five years of misery and economic ruin in order to achieve that end. Doubtless Westminster would be a pleasanter place without the SNP, ditto the DUP, but we have a United Kingdom which works well and has functioned admirably for three hundred years. Ms Sturgeon may not realise it, but Scotland would be much poorer outside the union than in it. This is dangerous stuff because the SNP could easily win fifty seats in Scotland with which to prop up a weak Labour Government. If there is one glimmer of hope it is that whatever happens in Scotland, Labour’s support has all but evaporated in its traditional heartlands in the North of England. There are, however, five weeks to go yet and we shall no doubt be astonished by many wonders between now and December 12th.
 
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The poisonous curse of Brexit has now even created a split in the Brexit Party itself. It seems that the cuddly Aaron Banks has parted company with Farage and will be working with the Tories for the deal that apparently Boris doesn't quite understand.

Labour, Conservatives, Brexit all split and compromised by Brexit. Labour don't know whether they want Brexit or not and the Tories are split between soft and hard. Should you vote for a party that can't be clear on what it wants on the main issue facing the country?
 

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The poisonous curse of Brexit has now even created a split in the Brexit Party itself.
That was always inevitable, because there are different kinds of Brexit. One of the big questions is whether the conservatives can keep the leave vote behind them, or whether it will leak away.

And then the question is, do they really WANT it to leak away, so they dont have to carry out brexit.
 

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That was always inevitable, because there are different kinds of Brexit. One of the big questions is whether the conservatives can keep the leave vote behind them, or whether it will leak away.

And then the question is, do they really WANT it to leak away, so they dont have to carry out brexit.

I think a Boris government would actually pull the trigger.

I'm smiling at the thought of Boris having a Withdrawal Agreement. He's had plenty of these in the past and not managed it.
 

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Week 1 Tory campaign recap:

❌ Jacob Rees-Mogg insults victims of the Grenfell disaster.

❌ Chairman of the Tories chickens out of Sky interview.

❌ Cabinet Minister forced to resign.

❌ Candidate saying poor should be “put down”.

❌ PM covering up report on Russian interference in our politics.

❌ Releasing fake videos of opponents.
 
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Week 1 Tory campaign recap:

❌ Jacob Rees-Mogg insults victims of the Grenfell disaster.

❌ Chairman of the Tories chickens out of Sky interview.

❌ Cabinet Minister forced to resign.

❌ Candidate saying poor should be “put down”.

❌ PM covering up report on Russian interference in our politics.

❌ Releasing fake videos of opponents.

Any bets for this week?
 

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Are we supposed to take this election seriously?

We now have the Brexit Party being used solely as a means to undermine support for Labour. Is that a bona fire political party? Is that allowed?

Isn't this what we call a stitch up?

The Brexit people, Tory and Farage have brought our politics to a level of disrepute that I certainly can't recall. I have a feeling that many true British people will reject this underhand methodology and throw the Tories out.
 

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Any bets for this week?

1. Mining the asteroid belt.
2. Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were working for the Stasi and that's why they went to East Germany.
3. They really did build those 200,000 homes they promised to, they just forgot to publish the fact in their papers.
4. "No Russians here, nope, nope, nah we don't need to publish that dossier."
 
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1. Mining the asteroid belt.
2. Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott were working for the Stasi and that's why they went to East Germany.
3. They really did build those 200,000 homes they promised to, they just forgot to publish the fact in their papers.
4. "No Russians here, nope, nope, nah we don't need to publish that dossier."

Strong and Stable government.

Strong and stable economy.

Minor Chinese steel maker buys British Steel.

Trebant to take over the British car industry. :)
 
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That was always inevitable, because there are different kinds of Brexit. One of the big questions is whether the conservatives can keep the leave vote behind them, or whether it will leak away.

And then the question is, do they really WANT it to leak away, so they dont have to carry out brexit.

This could be the last UK election.

We all know that Brexiteers don't come from the scholarship stream, but they must realise that they will break up the UK. I wonder if they have considered the consequences of an independent Scotland and Ireland being aligned to an alliance that the English are not?

The issue is not Europe, it never has been, it is what will happen to little old England.
 

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This could be the last UK election..
Not seen that said like that before, but you are correct.

Though there is the distinct possibilitity of a spate of short parliaments in the near future, maybe another election next spring. So not enough time for a breakup first if that is the case.
 

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This could be the last UK election.

We all know that Brexiteers don't come from the scholarship stream, but they must realise that they will break up the UK. I wonder if they have considered the consequences of an independent Scotland and Ireland being aligned to an alliance that the English are not?

The issue is not Europe, it never has been, it is what will happen to little old England.

I suspect Scotland will be gone by the next election, which is sad.

It's a good awful choice at this election, to think a country of 68million and these are the best we can come up with - and that refers to parties of all colours
 
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I suspect Scotland will be gone by the next election, which is sad.

It's a good awful choice at this election, to think a country of 68million and these are the best we can come up with - and that refers to parties of all colours

I wonder why our media can only think in terms of the two old parties, and I agree completely about their leaders. Two of the last three governments have been coalitions and the next one may well be. Though no one is talking to the potential King makers. They can't even talk to the Liberals which is very odd, because if this election is about Brexit, they clearly offer one of the most popular choices.
 
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If you were in Scotland, who would you vote for?
Id vote for whichever party was most likely to deliver remain in the constituency I was in. Thats most likely SNP, but there are a few places libs won and maybe some where they are now the challenger to conservatives. Or labour if second to con.

I would prefer the Uk to stick together, and I think if brexit happens it will force the breakup of the UK. So added to the conservsatives legacy will be the destruction of the UK. Ironically, a vote for SNP might just help keep the Uk together.