UK general election May 2015

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I've done a lot of travel in the former USSR and Eastern Europe. States can and do fail. We need to look at the apocalypse to understand what we are seeking to avoid.

But you HAVE already had an apocalypse dear Jason, after WWII losing the Empire. And you have not come to terms with that yet.
 

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The nature of "Empire" has changed. You need to catch up again EuroT.

The debacle over ZHC demonstrates that Milliband is bandwagon soundbite politician. ZHCs are largely used for student and seasonal work and are most employed by local authorities where I live, which are labour run. Agreed that they sound bad, but they do work for both employer and employee in certain situations.
 

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The nature of "Empire" has changed. You need to catch up again EuroT.

The debacle over ZHC demonstrates that Milliband is bandwagon soundbite politician. ZHCs are largely used for student and seasonal work and are most employed by local authorities where I live, which are labour run. Agreed that they sound bad, but they do work for both employer and employee in certain situations.

Wishful thinking I guess.
 
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But you HAVE already had an apocalypse dear Jason, after WWII losing the Empire. And you have not come to terms with that yet.
We came to terms with it relatively well! :p
If that was the price for winning WW2, then it was worth it. :)

Debate - at least Nicola Sturgeon recognises the need to address legitimate concerns that SNP are only arsed about Scotland (which they are, of course) and are trying to wreck the UK.

Not sure how Alex Salmond, post-debate, thinks that being a minority party means it's the most powerful. Sure, it can influence who forms a coalition government (possibly), but it still means they've got a pitifully small number of votes...
 

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Not sure how Alex Salmond, post-debate, thinks that being a minority party means it's the most powerful. Sure, it can influence who forms a coalition government (possibly), but it still means they've got a pitifully small number of votes...

Presumably his comment is in the context of a situation where Labour can only get a majority with SNP backing - where for example Labour+LibDem just doesn't give the requisite votes.

The Coalition gave the Lib Dems more power than their number of MPs would suggest they should have, but it was still a Conservative-led coalition with the Conservatives in the driving seat. A coalition agreement imposes discipline on both parties and forces compromise. However Labour has ruled out a coalition with SNP, so it will be a new discussion between Labour and SNP for every single vote. On this scenario SNP would certainly have equal power to Labour. However SNP may well play hard-ball. The argument would be that Labour as the largest party has the ministerial offices, but that the programme of legislation is to be set by the SNP.

We really do have a situation where our constitution is creaking. The Palace has indicated that in the event of a hung parliament the Queen may not give the Queen's Speech. Well she has done for every previous hung parliament, so the palace appears to be saying there is a particular problem with this scenario. This would be a constitutional first, but it does appear to be what protocol demands.

In the event of (say) Con+LibDem+DUP+UKIP having the numbers to be able to form a coalition there is an enormous push for them to do just this. DUP and UKIP have explicitly accepted this and set out their shopping list. LibDems are in a bind.
 

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We came to terms with it relatively well! :p
If that was the price for winning WW2, then it was worth it. :)

Debate - at least Nicola Sturgeon recognises the need to address legitimate concerns that SNP are only arsed about Scotland (which they are, of course) and are trying to wreck the UK.

Not sure how Alex Salmond, post-debate, thinks that being a minority party means it's the most powerful. Sure, it can influence who forms a coalition government (possibly), but it still means they've got a pitifully small number of votes...

I guess many like you do. But not everybody as I deduct from certain posts.
 

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Not really, what they have become is a means of sidestepping employment law. The use of various contractual devices to evade employment rights is a steadily widening phenomenon.

No doubt there are occasions when this happens, but then every sort of employment contract is breached by someone.

ZHCs can be wonderful. For example if I need access to an organisation's data they can set me up with a ZHC which gives me log-in to secure server and insurance cover as an employee. The system also gives the mechanism by which they can pay me. In effect it's freelance work, but the ZHC gives a mechanism not otherwise easily available.

They're also great for young professionals looking for work experience. What once was done for free (and therefore was only open to the more affluent) can now be paid through a ZHC.

A world without ZHCs would be just awful. The idea of just about everything being done through some sort of permanent contract is a hang-over of the last century. We need all sorts of casual contracts, and ZHCs are a useful type. If Miliband really does get rid of them then he's just getting rid of jobs. Very few will covert to permanent contracts. Indeed I cannot imagine an example of a ZHC that will convert. One more reason to hope Miliband isn't elected.
 

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No doubt there are occasions when this happens, but then every sort of employment contract is breached by someone.
Ah, your oft quoted argument that since everyone breaks the law we might as well not have any.

They're also great for young professionals looking for work experience.
Yes fantastic just so long as you dont need to be paid.

A world without ZHCs would be just awful. The idea of just about everything being done through some sort of permanent contract is a hang-over of the last century.
No Jason. They represent a return to the days of the last century when workers came to the factory door each day to beg for work, with completely no security.It is not acceptable for someone to take a job where the employer expects them to be available for a full working week, so they cannot work for anyone else, but then can choose to give them no work at all.

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I hear the SNP have said they would prefer a conservative government. My prediction is coming true. Conservatives are far more of a danger to the continuation of the Uk than labour, because they will confront the SNP and strip Scotland of voting rights, just guaranteed to drum up more support for the SNP. They know this Jason, even if you do not.
 
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I love Sturgeon's failure to realise/acknowledge that SNP and Labour's economic plans would leave an £8bn black hole in the budget, lead to the debt spiralling further, and basically mean none of their reforms would be financially viable. :/
 

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I love Sturgeon's failure to realise/acknowledge that SNP and Labour's economic plans would leave an £8bn black hole in the budget, lead to the debt spiralling further, and basically mean none of their reforms would be financially viable. :/

First off they know that most UK voters have zero knowledge of economics and really do believe that "the government" can legislate to make them rich. As a fall-back they want to join the euro, so Germany can pay. This of course is the standard socialist solution - someone else pays.
 

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but told you your FM is a paranoid Warmonger nut
Think hes pissed off HM is favoring Putin to run the UK over his boss ...
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I love Sturgeon's failure to realise/acknowledge that SNP and Labour's economic plans would leave an £8bn black hole in the budget, lead to the debt spiralling further, and basically mean none of their reforms would be financially viable. :/
This isnt really true. Both main parties still have pretty much the same approach, which is to keep borrowing unti lthe economy grows enough so that rising tax revenue will balance the books. The shuffling about of spending and income really doesnt alter this fundamental principle. This is also why both parties like population growth, because it has always been equated with economic growth, and in particular immigrants tend to be more economically active than the average existing citizen. It is though a trap. eventually those immigrants grow old and economically inactive, and the dead wood increases. thus the classic solution becomes eternal growth, and both parties are wedded to this.
 
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This isnt really true. Both main parties still have pretty much the same approach, which is to keep borrowing unti lthe economy grows enough so that rising tax revenue will balance the books. The shuffling about of spending and income really doesnt alter this fundamental principle. This is also why both parties like population growth, because it has always been equated with economic growth, and in particular immigrants tend to be more economically active than the average existing citizen. It is though a trap. eventually those immigrants grow old and economically inactive, and the dead wood increases. thus the classic solution becomes eternal growth, and both parties are wedded to this.
I still think there's a large divide between those wanting to curtail austerity and spend they way out of trouble (SNP and to a lesser extent, Labour), and those who think the deficit needs eliminating, and the actual debt tackled before we return ro greater spending.

I do think a balance is best - debt reduction balanced with careful stimulus - and for my money, I think the Tories will make the best job of this over the next parliament - by which time we may (or may not) be financially secure enough to let Labour have another spending spree.