Understanding the delusional left

[malakos]

So, you do think you're racist?

The point of my post was simply to demonstrate that StormfrontFL could not produce any evidence for his claims to be aware of my thoughts. I still very much doubt he could produce anything that would. It's part of a silly game they have going wherein they think they can psychoanalyze people's implicit prejudice. Believe it or not I tend to test low in implicit prejudice; that's not because I'm not prejudiced but because my prejudices I allow to be kept at the surface and so they do not cohere into implicit biases.

Anyway, given my confidence that he won't be able to produce anything, I'll not wait for it and will just proceed with answering your question. You could look through my post history; I'm a very straightforward poster and have always been open about my opinions on race.

Do I think I'm a racist? I guess it would depend on what you mean by the term. Do I hate people on the basis of race? I don't think so. Do I believe in the superiority of my own race to the extent that we should be at the top of a social hierarchy wherever we are? No. Do I believe that race is a biological reality? Yes. Do I believe there are cultural, philosophical, and spiritual differences that occur naturally as a consequence of racial dispositions? Yes. Do I honor my race and see myself as particularly obligated to it? Yes.

If the latter questions that I answered in the affirmative qualify what you had in mind by racism, I suppose that would mean that I am a racist. I don't have any qualms about that, as I see race realism and racial pride and devotion (which to me is merely another layer of familial devotion or tribal devotion) as natural and to be found in most peoples throughout history. The types of racism I see as oppressive I do denounce.

 

[malakos]

Because this country's gaping wound of slavery has never healed.

Of course, if I'm wrong--if you can point to the moment in our history where we finally overcame pervasive inequities and institutionalized racism--I'll readily hold black people entirely responsible for any backsliding they've done since then.

Frankly, that's all irrelevant because people always have a choice and are always responsible for the choices they make. Unless they're severely mentally disabled.

 

[TexanStar]

How is the ancestral cause of the presence of African-Americans via the slave trade relevant to addressing the severely disproportionate tendency toward violent crime among African-American men?

When I call you out on the race stuff, it's because you have a carelessness with your language and this is an example just from this thread.

Black men do not have a tendency towards violent crime. Tendency means regularly or usually. If I say that drivers on the highway tend to drive 1 to 9 mph over the posted speed limit, it's clear that I mean this is the common scenario.

Roughly 1 in 3 black men will spend some time in prison at some point in their life, meaning 2 in 3 black men will spend none. So the tendency is for black men to be non-criminals.

Beyond that, those 1 in 3 black men who do spend time in jail will predominantly be for non-violent offenses (and that's setting aside the fact that there's some pretty thorough documentation about disparate conviction rates for non-violent offenses, especially things like marijuana possession).

But anyways, it's then only a small fraction of black men who will be convicted of a violent crime at some point. This is hardly a tendency towards it! Is it greater than the rate at which white men offend? Yes. Some of that ties back to income level though (if you control for annual income, the rate of violent crimes committed by black men does not stand out as drastically when compared to white men). A lot of what's painted as a race issue is actually a poverty issue.

But anyways, I see you do this kind of stuff with some regularity. I try to point it out when I see it, but this is an example of why you get written off so frequently as racist.

 

[ConanTheBarber]

Do I believe there are cultural, philosophical, and spiritual differences that occur naturally as a consequence of racial dispositions? Yes.

Could you amplify a bit?

 

[Chrysippus]

these liberal tears

So are you a staff writer for Alex Jones?

 

[deleted15807]

Haha. You're funny. You actually think I'm concerned with people seeing I like a lot of her posts?

"Concerned" is not the term I used. One can draw conclusions of your beliefs and thoughts based on your "likes". If you "like" a lot of rhetoric and fictions from a white supremacist then it's not particle physics to connect you with that group as either in it or one who sympathizes with it. The difference being zilch.

Frankly, that's all irrelevant because people always have a choice and are always responsible for the choices they make. Unless they're severely mentally disabled.

Really they are? What is "severally mentally disabled"? Who makes that determination? That's a very high bar to hit in court.

Studies link childhood lead exposure, violent crime

And psst guess which communities get to have lead in their water?

Lead: America’s Real Criminal Element​

Is a person suffering from dementia for example "responsible" for inappropriate sexual behavior? Or is it the disease that needs treatment? Are they making a conscious choice that should be punishable with imprisonment or other forms of punishment? Do they fit the term "severally mentally disabled"

Treatment of Inappropriate Sexual Behavior in Dementia​

There is an exploding new field of neuroscience that is threatening the idea that humans actually have "free will" in the classic sense. Homo sapiens behave in pretty much predictable ways under certain circumstances regardless of cultures.

Does Neuroscience Threaten Free Will?​

 

[deleted15807]

Do I believe that race is a biological reality? Yes.

Not exactly supported by science.

From the National Institutes of Health:

Races may exist in humans in a cultural sense, but biological concepts of race are needed to access their reality in a non-species-specific manner and to see if cultural categories correspond to biological categories within humans. Modern biological concepts of race can be implemented objectively with molecular genetic data through hypothesis-testing. Genetic data sets are used to see if biological races exist in humans and in our closest evolutionary relative, the chimpanzee. Using the two most commonly used biological concepts of race, chimpanzees are indeed subdivided into races but humans are not. Adaptive traits, such as skin color, have frequently been used to define races in humans, but such adaptive traits reflect the underlying environmental factor to which they are adaptive and not overall genetic differentiation, and different adaptive traits define discordant groups. There are no objective criteria for choosing one adaptive trait over another to define race. As a consequence, adaptive traits do not define races in humans. Much of the recent scientific literature on human evolution portrays human populations as separate branches on an evolutionary tree. A tree-like structure among humans has been falsified whenever tested, so this practice is scientifically indefensible. It is also socially irresponsible as these pictorial representations of human evolution have more impact on the general public than nuanced phrases in the text of a scientific paper. Humans have much genetic diversity, but the vast majority of this diversity reflects individual uniqueness and not race.

Biological races in humans​

 

[b.c.]

When I call you out on the race stuff, it's because you have a carelessness with your language and this is an example just from this thread.

But anyways, I see you do this kind of stuff with some regularity. I try to point it out when I see it, but this is an example of why you get written off so frequently as racist.

Not to mention his belief that "there are cultural, philosophical, and spiritual differences that occur naturally as a consequence of racial dispositions." Wtf??????

 

[malakos]

"Concerned" is not the term I used. One can draw conclusions of your beliefs and thoughts based on your "likes". If you "like" a lot of rhetoric and fictions from a white supremacist then it's not particle physics to connect you with that group as either in it or one who sympathizes with it. The difference being zilch.

White supremacism is the belief that the "White race" ought to exercise dominion over other races. Certainly nothing that I have liked from MG contained content that appeared to me to reflect such an ideology.

Really they are?

It's a philosophy I hold to and would argue for.

What is "severally mentally disabled"?

It can take a few different forms. Could be psychosis to the point of being largely out of touch with reality. Could IQ so low as to be unable to fully exercise will in an informed manner. Could be an extreme personality disorder that prevents one from relating to the world in a normal way. Just a few examples, I'm sure that's not exhaustive.

Who makes that determination? That's a very high bar to hit in court.

Court? I wasn't interested in taking this so far as to legal theory at the moment. It was just a general argument about the freedom of the human will.

Studies link childhood lead exposure, violent crime

And psst guess which communities get to have lead in their water?

Lead: America’s Real Criminal Element​

OK, that is at least a fair argument with some merit. It's kind of a no-brainer that lead would be linked to an increase in disposition towards violence. This study, however, was just done in a couple of cities with greater issues with lead toxicity. I doubt it has sufficient range to constitute one of the main factors in this national issue. If you have anything that would indicate that this could be a factor across the nation rather than just the Upper Midwest, I'd be willing to take a look at it.

Is a person suffering from dementia for example "responsible" for inappropriate sexual behavior? Or is it the disease that needs treatment? Are they making a conscious choice that should be punishable with imprisonment or other forms of punishment? Do they fit the term "severally mentally disabled"

It's kind of a grey area in the early stages, but yeah, in later stages of dementia the person has largely lost the capacity for sane free agency. So it should be treated as a mental disability rather than something punishable.

I know you may find this odd given the impression that I'm a Far-Rightist, but as I have said in a couple of other threads, my views are pretty mixed: I'm actually nowhere near as interested in punishment in general as many others on the Right are. I'm interest in discipline, correction, and rehabilitation, but not punishment for the sake of punishment. It seems largely arbitrary to me. So I didn't have that in mind when I was talking about most people being responsible for their actions.

There is an exploding new field of neuroscience that is threatening the idea that humans actually have "free will" in the classic sense. Homo sapiens behave in pretty much predictable ways under certain circumstances regardless of cultures.

Quite interesting article. Certainly it does demonstrate that neural processes are a factor in decision making and that these processes already run to completion (well, in the circumstances applied in the studies) before the mind gets to considering the matter. But I wouldn't say that is a direct contradiction of what I meant by free will. The last couples paragraphs touch on that:

"Most philosophers who work on the problem of free will these days are what we call “compatibilists” as opposed to “libertarians” (not to be confused with political libertarians). They think that freely choosing is compatible with a causally determined universe. They understand that our decision-making is enmeshed in a network of inner and outer causes. So, showing that something played a role in causing a decision doesn’t do anything to undermine the possibility of free will. It’s neither here nor there.

Granted, if you start out with a libertarian notion of freedom -- one that asserts our free will, while denying that the universe is causally determined -- then, sure, neuroscience threatens to upturn your applecart. But who takes libertarian freedom seriously anymore? Neuroscience, apparently, hasn’t gotten the message."

 

[Klingsor]

Frankly, that's all irrelevant because people always have a choice and are always responsible for the choices they make. Unless they're severely mentally disabled.

Nevertheless, if you are born well off, statistically you are more likely to remain that way. The same with being born poor. The advantages you do or don't enjoy in your upbringing are a significant factor in your ultimate likelihood of success.

A disproportionate number of black people in this country fall on the negative side of this spectrum. You can chastise them for it, or you can look at the underlying structural reasons for this ongoing cycle.

 

[deleted37010]

A disproportionate number of black people in this country fall on the negative side of this spectrum.

i'd take that a step further... and argue how the US intentionally and actively kept a disproportionate number black people on the negative side of this spectrum

An American Tragedy: The legacy of slavery lingers in our cities’ ghettos
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/...acy-of-slavery-lingers-in-our-cities-ghettos/
Their purported criminality, sexual profligacy, and intellectual inadequacy are the frequent objects of public derision. In a word, they suffer a pariah status. It should not require enormous powers of perception to see how this degradation relates to the shameful history of black-white race relations in this country.

 

[Klingsor]

You're referring to a response I was made to Klingsor which was a response to MG. His post appeared to have implied that the slave trade was the ultimate cause for the prevalence of violent crime committed by African-Americans in the USA. No one here had mentioned reparations prior to that, I just brought them up because it's becoming common to do so when the slave trade is pointed to as the ultimate cause of contemporary ills.

For the record, I never mentioned reparations.

 

[Mercurygirl]

Nevertheless, if you are born well off, statistically you are more likely to remain that way. The same with being born poor. The advantages you do or don't enjoy in your upbringing are a significant factor in your ultimate likelihood of success.

A disproportionate number of black people in this country fall on the negative side of this spectrum. You can chastise them for it, or you can look at the underlying structural reasons for this ongoing cycle.

Cycle of poverty? Undeniable. OK, so let's take a honest look at that underlying "structural" reason ...

By far the biggest social and economical problem facing black America is that 75% of black children in the US are raised without fathers. The negative consequences of that are seen in the increasing high crime rate and economic difficulties found in the black community today.

In part you can thank a democrat(s) for that, Lyndon Johnson. It was his and his fellow liberals' so called "war on poverty" that in the 1960's sent out an army of welfare appraisers to black households to determine who was eligible for benefits. That is, provided there was no father in the home. Thus Democrats began this campaign of basically marrying black women to the government. This cycle of governmental welfare dependency has decimated black families, their communities, and continues to offer no real solution to the problem of poverty in America today.

Instead the Left would rather place a big scary racist label on it all. Why? Fear tactics get them the black vote.

Sorry but no white people are going into black communities and putting guns to black people's heads forcing them to not use birth control, have children before they finish high school, not go to college, or abandon their parental responsibilities.

 

[deleted37010]

No one here had mentioned reparations prior to that, I just brought them up because it's becoming common to do so when the slave trade is pointed to as the ultimate cause of contemporary ills.

if by "becoming common".... you mean in 1865...

Slave reparations are not a new concept, dating back to the Civil War.
20/20: Americans Debate Reparations for Slavery
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=124115&page=1

Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy. Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole.
The Case for Reparations
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/

The U.S. government's first reparations plan to compensate African-Americans for the legacy of slavery was 40 acres and a mule apiece -- that was Gen. William Sherman's promise to former slaves shortly after the Civil War ended in 1865. His order set aside land on the Georgia and South Carolina coasts for the settlement of thousands of newly freed families. But the promise was quickly recanted and the land was taken back, with no other plans for reparations.

Making Amends
Debate Continues Over Reparations for U.S. Slavery
http://www.npr.org/programs/specials/racism/010827.reparations.html

 

[deleted37010]

By far the biggest social and economical problem facing black America is that 75% of black children in the US are raised without fathers. The negative consequences of that are seen in the increasing high crime rate and economic difficulties found in the black community today.

citations?
logical fallacy employed..... post hoc ergo propter hoc
This is a conclusion that assumes that if 'A' occurred after 'B' then 'B' must have caused 'A'.

 

[deleted15807]

@Mercurygirl. Now how would LPSG's #1 bigot knows what problems black America faces? Let me guess it's her take on problems they face taken straight from other racist bigoted sources. I'm certain she never spoke with any that would be "too urban" to do.

The single biggest problem facing black America is the new Jim Crow enacted by conservatives designed to lock up African-American men and then blame the devastated families and communities on who else but them too?

The New Jim Crow​

And note my YouTube link is from a published author not the boors MG loves to present as evidence.

What It’s Like to Be Black in the Criminal Justice System
(hint: you don't want to be black)

Even though black people use drugs about or less than whites.

 

[deleted15807]

No doubt once the data is in the "delusional right" never changes the script. You need to keep the Idiot Class motivated with hate as that works much better at getting the cage-dwellers to the voting booths.

Single Moms Can't Be Scapegoated for the Murder Rate Anymore

 

[TexanStar]

@Mercurygirl. Now how would LPSG's #1 bigot knows what problems black America faces? Let me guess it's her take on problems they face taken straight from other racist bigoted sources. I'm certain she never spoke with any that would be "too urban" to do.

The single biggest problem facing black America is the new Jim Crow enacted by conservatives designed to lock up African-American men and then blame the devastated families and communities on who else but them too?

The New Jim Crow​

And note my YouTube link is from a published author not the boors MG loves to present as evidence.

What It’s Like to Be Black in the Criminal Justice System
(hint: you don't want to be black)

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This not only continues to be a critical issue for black communities, but it's one of the areas where Jeff Sessions is actively and purposefully working to make the issue even worse.

And all the while, MG continues slobbering over her youtube videos and starting threads about Black priviledge so she can talk snidely about how good black men in America have it.

 

[deleted15807]

This not only continues to be a critical issue for black communities, but it's one of the areas where Jeff Sessions is actively and purposefully working to make the issue even worse.

And all the while, MG continues slobbering over her youtube videos and starting threads about Black priviledge so she can talk snidely about how good black men in America have it.

Yep. Meanwhile Wall Street hears Jeff Sessions and Trump very well.

Private prison stocks up 100% since Trump's win

Just line them up and we'll take them in.

Privately-Run Prisons Hold Inmates Longer, Study Finds

 

[Chrysippus]

Yep. Meanwhile Wall Street hears Jeff Sessions and Trump very well.
Private prison stocks up 100% since Trump's win
Just line them up and we'll take them in.
Privately-Run Prisons Hold Inmates Longer, Study Finds

Incarceration for profit is an outrage.