Unemployment benefit extensions

[B_curiousme01]

you say handouts to the rich. nobody getting a handout. it's their money to begin you just want to take their and spend it on crap.

LMAO! OMG! I think you are 100% correct!!! Spend other peoples money cause they have it and we don't. SHAME ON THEM FOR MAKING MORE MONEY THAN MOST OF US!

We apparently feel the need to make "wealthy" people pay and pay big!! That's the idea anyways. The wealthy will not pay for the unemployement tax extension(s). I think we all know that the children not yet born in the USA will.

 

[B_curiousme01]

Let's be really clear: The Repugincans have no desire to help the unemployed. Their only loyalty is to the rich who buy them their offices - and that probably goes for all of the Congress. The longer people are unemployed, the lower wages they will accept with no benefits or certainty of security and that is great for the corporations. We will soon have a working class that is one big temporary worker pool willing to fight for whatever scraps the oligarchs will throw to them.​

Yep. Well, to be perfectly clear, it was not a Republican who was recently censured in Congress for not paying taxes. He is a what...a 20 TERM Democrat and guess what? He is also Chair of Ways and Means Committee (I think he still is?). And to further that, he is still there. Reports are now that he is going to have more charges against him. How about the former governor who was just charged for some similar crimes; hiding money, using others money for personal gain. Another Democrat.

Both parties have had these problems because we start out as divided and choose sides. Of course, we are not willing to negotiate on anything nor focus on one issue at a time. AND we accept that Congress is going to waste our tax payers dollars on all sorts of stuff. Like having a meeting to schedule another meeting. WTF???? Printing 100 billion dollars, or something like that number, that have printing errors and cannot be circulated for another year at least. The list goes On and on.

We are all totally out of control because only our opinion and personal ideals are valid. We are unable to come together without hate, finger-pointing and generally ill will towards the "opposite" side.

If corporations did not exist, millions and millions of people would not work and hence not be able to have any unemployment relief or benefit.

As far as "benefits and a certain security" anyone can loose a job at anytime no matter what the economy is like. The only security in life is what one creates for oneself.

An insurance policy is not unlimited and neither should benefit extensions of any kind. But, again, we are all so divided on this that we don't care that the children in the USA who are even born yet will bear our financial burdens. Shame on the Republicans, the Democrats, and I/you/we for not being able to do the right things. We all get a big fat "F".

 

[MichiganRico]

Obama's tax compromise is actually (and probably unintentionally) brilliant in its own way. Who would think that the Congressional Republicans would promote a two-year $900 billion STIMULUS PACKAGE--because that is essentially what it is. $900 billion of unfunded spending. Lord Keynes must be giving a big "WOOT!" from the grave.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

We apparently feel the need to make "wealthy" people pay and pay big!! That's the idea anyways. The wealthy will not pay for the unemployement tax extension(s). I think we all know that the children not yet born in the USA will.

They don't have to pay. My tax dollars, as well as so many other non-wealthy people's money, goes into that fund and it's highly ignorant for the wealthy (or anyone) to act as if they're the ones in control of it. Their need to make the Forbes list doesn't trump someone else's need to eat or pay utility bills. And truth be told, if any of those "wealthy" people woke up tomorrow and found themselves broke, they'd be the first one in line for a box of welfare cheese. So let's cut the BS.

 

[B_curiousme01]

Nope. The wealthy won't pay for them. Neither will you or I. Like I said, the future children will. Isn't that BS?

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Nope. The wealthy won't pay for them. Neither will you or I. Like I said, the future children will. Isn't that BS?

As long as you have a job that is on the books, you'll be paying for them. And considering that some people want to make the retirement age higher in this country, that could mean a very, VERY long time. Being that you're a woman, of course, I won't ask you your age to do the math. Even a gay man knows you're not supposed to inquire about that. :wink:

 

[B_curiousme01]

What difference does is make how old I am?

Anyways, how will you and I pay for anything that is added right now? We are still paying taxes but we are trillions of dollars in debt. We are paying for that right now and will continue to do so for a very very very longtime. You seem to think there is all this money around. WHERE IS IT?

Guess what? 40% of the dollar in your pocket is owned by China? What percentage level are you cool with it ending up at? 60%? 80% 100%? Oh wait. They have said they will not loan us any more money.

We totally disagree. You think I am... what? a mean person who is stupid and doesn't want to feed kids...let's see... ummm...something about not agreeing with my idea of personal responsibility, etc and a host of other things in your recent replies to my posts. Fine. Whatever. I will not say what I think of you. Personal attacks do not add to the discussion. Have at it

 

[D_Davy_Downspout]

Obama's tax compromise is actually (and probably unintentionally) brilliant in its own way. Who would think that the Congressional Republicans would promote a two-year $900 billion STIMULUS PACKAGE--because that is essentially what it is. $900 billion of unfunded spending. Lord Keynes must be giving a big "WOOT!" from the grave.

Taxes are the worst form of stimulus, and Keynes was more a fan of counter-cyclical spending than anything else, rather than the deficit spending freak that people with little knowledge of economics make him out to be.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

What difference does is make how old I am?

It doesn't. Damn, the "wink smilie" should have been your clue that I was joking a bit. Jeez.

Anyways, how will you and I pay for anything that is added right now? We are still paying taxes but we are trillions of dollars in debt.

That's because much of our tax dollars are going towards things we don't need. Should we start talking about the elephant in the room? It does have the word DEFENSE written on it.

We are paying for that right now and will continue to do so for a very very very longtime. You seem to think there is all this money around. WHERE IS IT?

Silly rabbit, I never hinted or thought that there was "all this money" laying around. You can stop with that line of thought or implication right now.

Guess what? 40% of the dollar in your pocket is owned by China? What percentage level are you cool with it ending up at? 60%? 80% 100%? Oh wait. They have said they will not loan us any more money.

Which means our nation needs to put more into our own infrastructure, start investing in ourselves and actually create something the world wants besides Viagra. The resources are here and the means to do such things are possible. Even if you cut spending in every single program you can find, you don't make money if you're not willing to spend it where it's still needed.

We totally disagree. You think I am... what? a mean person who is stupid and doesn't want to feed kids... something about not agreeing with my idea of personal responsibility, etc and a host of other things in your recent replies to my posts. Fine. Whatever. I will not say what I think of you. Personal attacks do not add to the discussion. Have at it

I never once personally attacked you in this or the other "socialist thread" so stop with the bullshit already. I get so sick and tired of people like you trying to play the victim when your political views are under the microscope. Somehow I've become the choice target for certain people's conservative/libertarian/progressive/pseudo-independent angst on LPSG and I'm no longer going to be the scapegoat for that bullshit any longer. If you don't want the scrutiny, think twice before engaging in your First Amendment right to say something foolish. It's not hard for any adult to do. Because trust me, you'd know if I was attacking you.

 

[B_curiousme01]

Actually, I think you are sick of being sick. Think about it.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Actually, I think you are sick of being sick. Think about it.

The problem is, many times you don't think before typing... that's why you created yet another ridiculous line of pseudo-philosophical nonsense like this. I can do this all day, you know. Just quit while you're already behind.

 

[B_curiousme01]

I have come across quite a few of your threads in the past few days while visiting the various topics and noticed that you are act the same way to other people. LONG RANTS AND RAVES FILLED WITH HATE IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER.

You have over 8000 posts. I automatically think many of them are full of ugly, hateful words directed towards others who expressed their personal opinion that you didn't like. Just like you do in this thread.

Your words about being sick and tired of this and that? Yes, I do think you're sick of being sick. You get what you give.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

I have come across quite a few of your threads in the past few days while visiting the various topics and noticed that you are act the same way to other people. LONG RANTS AND RAVES FILLED WITH HATE IN ONE FORM OR ANOTHER.

You have over 8000 posts. I automatically think many of them are full of ugly, hateful words directed towards others who expressed their personal opinion that you didn't like. Just like you do in this thread.

Your words about being sick and tired of this and that? Yes, I do think you're sick of being sick. You get what you give.

Are you through with your clinical diagnosis, Dr. Timothy Leary?
I have over 8000 posts because I'm an avid contributor to the website. Some of my posts are long because sometimes I have a lot to say and I type fast. Just because you have a right to your personal opinion doesn't mean it's exempted from scrutiny if you then choose to make those thoughts public. That's the risk you take every time you click on the reply button, and if you're not willing to consider the possible responses for your own negative & hateful stimuli then it's best you don't post it at all.

 

[dandelion]

Which means our nation needs to put more into our own infrastructure, start investing in ourselves and actually create something the world wants besides Viagra.

Didnt I see something which said viagra is actually made in Ireland? (impossible to google that to check!)

Assuming its true, the reason is because Ireland put up a cheap tax regime. Jason would say every country should do that. The reality is that US jobs in the drugs industry migrated to somewhere cheaper. We get cheaper drugs but no employment to pay for buying them. Irealands gain was at the US cost, and at a world cost because less profit got distributed amongst the population. The aim of the game is not to make millionaires but to make everyone comfortable. This includes not allowing them to starve when their jobs just got shunted to Ireland. We developed countries cannot win at the game of running a low tax regime.

All this counting money stuff has become totally out of hand. People have come to believe that they can live on money, but they cannot. It is impossible to amass enough money today to keep everyone in comfort in the future. That can only be done by building up resources. Homes, schools, roads, machinery, education, good social care and inclusive structures. The world debt now is an illustration of the fallacy that the world can save for a pension. It cant. In the end, everyones standard of living today depends entirely on what was made and created today. fuel, food, computers, everything. Money is a way of keeping score. It allows some to get ahead of the game at the expense of others, but it creates nothing. Society is way too wrapped up in the power of money.

As things stand now, we are heading for a period of succesive national defaults on debt. This seems increasingly inevitable. How many countries have a convincing plan to blance their national budgets? There is an argument that the only thing to do when you are in so deep that there is no way out, is just to keep on borrowing, and put off the day as long as possible. Might as well go out with a bang as a whimper.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Didnt I see something which said viagra is actually made in Ireland? (impossible to google that to check!)

It was a statement intertwined with obvious sarcasm and hint of political farce. Seriously, we don't have to fact check the origin of Viagra in order for my main point to be addressed.

 

[Channelwood]

An old argument, technically correct but in actually a short sighted assessment based on those whose desire it is to distance U.I. from being anything remotely close to something "earned" by the claimant.

Yes, technically, the cost is borne by the employer, and the people at your local dept. of labor make it their business to tell every claimant that up front, as if to say "we don't owe you 'jack'."

Well, certainly as taxpayers, employees pay (in part) for the support and administration of that program on the federal level, if not on the state, as well as for the salaries of those who work for the department.

Additionally, extended benefits usually DON'T come from those employer contributions. They are federally subsidized (by our taxes).

And finally, don't think for one moment that your employer hasn't already taken into account ALL of their costs, including that of U.I., before they decide on what to pay you as a employee.

So yes, in many ways, the employee does contribute to the till.

Of course. I never suggested otherwise. The correction was in response to the poster whose original argument was that "the difference between welfare and unemployment is that employees pay for unemployment directly through payroll deductions." Which is not true.

 

[Channelwood]

I work in California and all paychecks I have earned take out a percentage for Unemployment Insurance, much like Social Security and disabllity. I believe this was the case in NY also but it's been a long time since I've worked there. The UI benefits are half paid for by the CA state government and the other half by the employer for 26 weeks and then it becomes subsidized by the federal government.

Really? The California tax website says differently.

If You Have People Working for You
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What are California's payroll taxes and who pays them?

Unemployment Insurance (UI) is paid by employers.
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Perhaps your employer has been incorrectly or illegally collecting UI payments. All your paychecks? Maybe you should look into this--you might be owed quite a bit of incorrectly withheld back wages.