Unfortunately for america, Joe Voter is uninformed.

[B_Gravedancer]

My OP wasn't an opinion, it's economic fact. If corporations are taxes, it's not like they have less money to spend on their "evil tithe" or whatever leftists think corporations do with money, they just increase prices or lower wages to compensate for the taxed money. This isn't an opinion.

 

[D_Davy_Downspout]

My OP wasn't an opinion, it's economic fact. If corporations are taxes, it's not like they have less money to spend on their "evil tithe" or whatever leftists think corporations do with money, they just increase prices or lower wages to compensate for the taxed money. This isn't an opinion.

If it's a fact, post data. For someone who yells about people using ad homs, you seem to be ignoring burden of proof.

I still don't see your point. Are you trying to make a case for or against a specific tax plan?

 

[marleyisalegend]

If it's a fact, post data. For someone who yells about people using ad homs, you seem to be ignoring burden of proof.

I still don't see your point. Are you trying to make a case for or against a specific tax plan?

Neither, he just likes hearing his own voice.

 

[B_Gravedancer]

If it's a fact, post data. For someone who yells about people using ad homs, you seem to be ignoring burden of proof.

I still don't see your point. Are you trying to make a case for or against a specific tax plan?

It's general knowledge, what else do you think would happen?

And yes, this case is against Obama's increasing taxes on corporations, and people don't understand what this entails.

 

[Phil Ayesho]

Guess what? Corporations don't REALLY pay tax. You tax corporations, the price of everything goes up and wages go down.

Tax capital gains, the economy freezes up because nobody wants to sell.

Tax the rich innovators, people leave the country and innovate elsewhere. Without innovators hopes of making it big, you would have neither your computer nor internet to be reading this.

Not to mention that income tax is inherently anti-freedom and is legal theft.

Average voters don't understand economics due to bad public schooling I think, at least in the USA. They have that image stuck in their head "tEh corporations r evilz and wants to kill us and take r monies government HALP PLZ!"

You make a LOT of unsupported assumptions.

YOu have no evidence that the Rich are "innovators".
In fact MOST new businesses and new technologies comes from Scientists, Researchers and other University employees.

At most- the rich simply buy their patents.


And- In Fact, there is NO evidence the undertaxed rich spend that money on investments that help U.S. workers.
More and More the money we DONLT tax the rich is being invested in phone banks in Bombay and facotries in China,,, OFFSHORING jobs in the name of a short term profit and a BIG cash bonus for the men making these decisions.


Further- Corporate taxes are already high- what is being discussed is taxing the personal income of wealthy individuals.

And- to point out the biggest fallacy in your post... the FACT is that HIGHER corporate taxes drives corporate officers and investors to NOT take margin as profit, and Rather, invest it into growth.

So- you are 180 degrees wrong.

Higher taxes on profits DRIVES corporations to shield money from that taxation thru investment in business, RATHER than taking the money as dividends. ( taking dividends gets taxed TWICE- once as profit to the corporation, and again as personal income )


So, really, when you talk about ignorance, get a mirror.

There is a difference between THEORY and practice.

As any FOOL can see, Republican THEORIES about the market do not work out well in practice.

 

[B_Gravedancer]

Bill Gates is an innovator, and one of the richest men alive.

Entrepreneurs, risk takers with good ideas and dedicate time, are the richest people alive.

And dividends encourage investors, people only ultimately value stock because of the dividends or projection of dividends in the future. Without money from investors, we would be 200 years back in technology.

Like so many other things, as trendy as socialism is, it is just not smart.

 

[marleyisalegend]

^Something tells me you're wingin it. You don't know half as much as you try to put on, you probably read a Yahoo! News article then come over here to school us. Pathetic. As a matter of fact, you kinda remind me of someone who was banned awhile back. Meh. I'm already getting bored with you so don't be surprised when I (and probably everyone else) stop responding to your idiocy.

 

[B_Gravedancer]

^Something tells me you're wingin it. You don't know half as much as you try to put on, you probably read a Yahoo! News article then come over here to school us. Pathetic. As a matter of fact, you kinda remind me of someone who was banned awhile back. Meh. I'm already getting bored with you so don't be surprised when I (and probably everyone else) stop responding to your idiocy.

Why are you so upset? Were your parents eaten by a corporation?

 

[D_Davy_Downspout]

Bill Gates is an innovator, and one of the richest men alive.

Not really. He was a good businessman, and figured out how to utilized other people's innovations.

Like so many other things, as trendy as socialism is, it is just not smart.

That's wonderful, but it has nothing to do with anything in this thread, or anything you've written, or anything anyone else has. Strawman?

 

[B_Gravedancer]

Without Bill Gates utilizing innovations efficiently, we would have less efficient innovations.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Just post a link to support your claims or shut the hell up. Really, you can't do that, but we're to assume you know anything about economics? The same person who thought more black people lived in Georgia?

You're talking out of your ass. Don't be mad because we can tell.

 

[D_Davy_Downspout]

Without Bill Gates utilizing innovations efficiently, we would have less efficient innovations.

Are we supposed to take you seriously?

 

[B_Gravedancer]

Saying that corporations raise prices to compensate for higher taxes is very fundamental. I am not going to search the internet for a link to this, because I don't need to prove something as basic as gravity. And you're right, I was wrong about georgia, which has little to do with economics.

 

[D_Davy_Downspout]

Again, what was the point of this thread. I've asked you several times. I can't argue with you spewing opinions onto a message board. Give me something to actually debate.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

And keep in mind, Bill Gates didn't innovate shit. He copied an already existing idea from a different company, changed a few words, and made it work on a cheaper machine. Watch "The Pirates Silicon Valley" and you'll be enlightened.

Windows, when first introduced to the world was nothing more than a poor man's Mac OS. The user friendly computer interface already existed in the mid 80s while PCs still ran DOS. Bill made a program that ran in conjunction with DOS to make it look as pretty and user friendly as the Mac. In other words, he borrowed the idea. If he never did that, technology would have went on and Microsoft would have only been known for Word Processing. Like it was in the 80s.

I've worked on computers since I was 15 and was introduced to the Mac when I was 12. That was 23 years ago. This is a debate you cannot win with your rhetoric because I was there from the beginning. Alas, I know you're going to rebut, so go ahead and make an ass out of yourself. Again.

 

[mindseye]

So nobody has a serious argument against this? Looks like I win. You guys don't even fit into the uninformed category, just the "I'm too pretentious too even want to understand" one.

You joined the site just yesterday. All of us had already been born by then.

 

[B_ScaredLittleBoy]

"Without Bill Gates utilizing innovations efficiently, we would have less efficient innovations."

This is a Bushism if ever I saw one. What does it really mean? Who will ever really know?

FYI changes to corporation tax are not new. I looked up the history of American Corporation Tax and there have been many increases and revisions of it.

What you are proposing now is just wishful thinking and a desperate try for a goal in the dying minutes of a lost game. And you are running so fast that rationale is being left behind. And you run like a girl :tongue:.

I'm not really well versed on all this politics malarky but I do believe the opposite of socialism is individualism; the idea that everyone should take care of themselves.

It's nice to see that the banks have been left to sort out their own mess and that no socialistic 'bail out' packages have been put forward. You must feel very safe and secure in your individualist world.

In the UK, the government has taken shares in various banking institutions. This is a socialist attitude and is widely acknowledged to be the most effective and long term successful strategy. I have even heard that America are going to try and incorporate this into their socialist bail out plan.

Yes, socialism is evil and individualism is the light that fights evil and keeps everything working as it should. Individualism and an 'every man for himself' mentality could have in no way contributed to the greed of bankers and others responsible for the current economic situation. No sir.

 

[vince]

Why don't you just get a heart? I hear that if you follow the yellow brick road to see the Wizard, he will grant you one.

Heartless gobtard.

And while I'm in the Emerald City I'll see I can pick up a sense of humor for you.