Unhappy sex life: Would you see a sex therapist?

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Ask yourself..

  1. What motivates someone to want to become a Sex Therapist?
  2. What motivates you to want to discuss your sex life with a total stranger?
  3. Remember, just because someone is getting paid do do something doesn't make them an expert
  4. Exactly how does one train to become a Sex Therapist?
  5. If you do go see a therapist, and you're already alright, you'll be all right when you leave; but if you feel you are truly messed up, you run the risk of getting more messed up after you talk to a therapist.

1. Probably a desire to help people, although this is a good question to ask when you are looking for one. A sex therapist is a relationship counselor that specializes in your sexual relationship with one another. If one or both of you in a relationship or a marriage is unhappy with the frequency, quality, or level of intimacy of your sexual relationship, then you might see a sex therapist to talk about those issues.
2. See this thread for the answer to that question. I believe the motivations have been thoroughly discussed, but some other reasons might include: an unhappy sex life, a spouse with sexual hangups such as an inability to perform oral sex or squeamishness about certain sex acts, a marriage whose sex life needs reviving, a partner who has inhibitions that prevent intimacy, a relationship whose issues have interfered with sex, etc. If you have NetFlix, there is a reality show called Sexual Healing that is available On Demand, so you can see a sex therapist in action right now if you want.
3. Okay. I can see that you are a skeptical man. That's good. If a therapist isn't helping you, then you should no longer pay that therapist any more and see a different one.
4. I think Google is the place where you will find the answer to this question. Most have an undergraduate degree and a graduate degree. Some have medical degrees or nursing degrees (MD or RN). A sex therapist should have clinical training. It's recommended that you should not see one unless that person has been certified and holds the necessary licensing necessary to practice in your state.
5. What? What makes you think that if you see a therapist you will be "more messed up"? I think your questions reveal that you don't know the answers to questions 1-5 and that you don't know what a sex therapist does? I recommend watching an episode of Sexual Healing if you have NetFlix. It might clear up any confusion you have about what therapy entails and what couples discuss and how a therapist helps couples overcome their problems.
 
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Gosh, if I could have gone back, would I have done things differently?

Ex 1: Drug fucked with a fucked up past. The sex was fine. If I'd stayed with him I'd have a tribe of kids, would possibly be drug fucked myself, would have no money, and he probably would still have killed himself, so I'd be husband-less. The sex was fine though. I don't think I would change anything in my behaviour if I could go back again.

Ex 2: The nice guy. He was lovely, the relationship was fine by most people's standards. The sex sucked. It was vanilla +10. Would a therapist have helped? Possibly. If I could turn back time I would never have cheated on him, and I would have had the balls to tell him what was wrong with us much earlier. Although I wasn't 100% sure what was wrong myself. I had feelings about it, but not enough experience to pinpoint what I felt and name it.

FB with blurred boundaries: Sex was fine, the relationship was confused. I'm not sure how I could have communicated any better with him. A therapist might have actually been useful here if he/she forced us to sit down and say clearly what we each wanted from the relationship. But he would NEVER have gone to one and to be honest, I never considered it myself - never even thought about it as an option.

Ex 3: Relationship was largely fine. Sex was crap. Basically, there wasn't any. Towards the end it was once every three or four months. He had no sex drive, I had a massive sex drive. It was never going to work long term, and if I hadn't been depressed, I would have realised it years earlier. I wish I had. A therapist could not have made our sex drives match.

It's good that you got out of the relationship with the druggie. My first love got into drugs after I broke up with him, something I feel guilty about since I'm positive it would never have happened if we had stayed together and I was the one who broke up with him and regretted that decision, but I refused to take him back until he cleaned up. He never cleaned up, at least not in time for us. He is clean now and doing fantastic. He's happily married and has an extremely successful business and he's really happy. I still talk to him occassionally. We keep in touch.

TheBF is a nice guy. Super incredibly unbelievably nice! Yeah, therapy might have helped there with your nice guy, if he was nice like TheBF is. We were very vanilla and becoming less and less vanilla. It's fun! I don't know if TheBF would have ever pushed me towards kinkiness and sexual exploration, but he's so nice and open-minded towards me that he's been receptive to all sorts of suggestions and ideas. It's really.... nice. I like nice. :smile: Was that before you got into your kinks?

I know what you mean about being with a guy who wouldn't see a therapist with you. The one guy I saw a couples counselor with refused to go until I told him that I would not stay with him unless we went together. I was serious about that, too, but he didn't understand that the jealousy issue wasn't something I could live with, and we would either fix it or I would leave. Maybe that was part of the problem, maybe he was resisting the process because he was there under an ultimatum and he could be stubborn like that, but I was serious about not living with the issue, and I did leave him eventually. I guess that he didn't know me as well as I thought he did. He should have realized that about me.

I didn't realize that you've already been in a relationship that was so sexless. Sometimes, you just aren't compatible! Sometimes you just aren't meant to be together.
 

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I agree with what you are saying. I'm horrible at phrasing things and piecing my thoughts together with words so I tend to ramble. Talking IRL is so much easier for me because I am able to express myself better. I missed discussions on topics like this:smile:

I missed them, too! I think I understand what you're trying to say about the spark being pushed to the side but still remaining smoldering while the relationship can be repaired.

And there is a moment when you just know that it's over. At least, I feel like there is. When the relationship isn't going well, I'm looking for that moment, wondering if I prolong it now, am I just prolonging the pain? Am I just ruining the memories we have of the good parts of our relationship by letting it linger for longer? And sometimes I just feel like I know that I shouldn't let it go on any more and I should end it under the best terms possible because those embers have died.
 

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I think that you are blurring the lines between relationship counselling and psychosexual therapy (sex therapy). I think that if you read back over the posts from people, you will see where one is one and another the other.
 

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I think that you are blurring the lines between relationship counselling and psychosexual therapy (sex therapy). I think that if you read back over the posts from people, you will see where one is one and another the other.

The lines are blurred in both sex therapy and relationship counseling. Many people discuss a lot of issues that are not about sex in sex therapy, not just sex, and sex comes up in relationship counseling.

The OP asks about both.

A sex therapist is just one type of relationship counselor. You mostly talk in sex therapy, sometimes about your feelings about many relationship issues that appear to be unrelated to sex, but have to do with your closeness and your relationship with your partner. It could be about financial issues, your relationships with other family members, your children, anything that might be interfering with your intimacy in general that might also be affecting your sex life with one another.
 
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The lines are blurred in both sex therapy and relationship counseling. Many people discuss a lot of issues that are not about sex in sex therapy, not just sex, and sex comes up in relationship counseling.

They are not blurred. A relationship counsellor wil look at every aspect of a relationship, including sex. A sex therapist, properly psychosexual therapist (unless you are seeing a quack), will concentrate on sexual issues. Relationship issues can affect the sex life, sex issues can affect the relationship. They are properly distinct.
 

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They are not blurred. A relationship counsellor wil look at every aspect of a relationship, including sex. A sex therapist, properly psychosexual therapist (unless you are seeing a quack), will concentrate on sexual issues. Relationship issues can affect the sex life, sex issues can affect the relationship. They are properly distinct.

An expert. Tell me more. What do you think of Dr. Laura Berman? Do you consider her to be a quack? Is she a quack because when one person brings up how she feels about financially supporting the other person in the relationship makes her feel, she doesn't cut her off and refuse to discuss anything except what you call a "sexual issue"?

Tell me about your experiences. You share nothing. You don't even share information relevant to the subject. You keep criticizing, but you do not answer the OP. Are you simply here to troll me personally? You do not criticize any other poster here, only my posts. Is no one else here interesting to you? I notice that your last four visits to LPSG appear to be just to troll me personally. Am I that much more interesting than everyone else on LPSG?

Have you ever gone to relationship therapy? How about sex therapy? Would you do it? Why or why not? Is there a time in the past when you would have done it? Is there anything that you would do differently in any of your previous relationships?

If you have nothing to share, why are you even here? Everyone else here is enjoying a nice conversation on the subject that they have shared about. We are discussing our relationships, sharing a lot of personal information with one another, a lot of sensitive information. You do not have to participate if you don't want to, but we are not here to be interrogated.
 
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What do you think of Dr. Laura Berman? Do you consider her to be a quack?

I looked her up, she is an expert in women's sexual health. Is that a sex therapist?

Tell me about your experiences. You share nothing. You don't even share information relevant to the subject. You keep criticizing, but you do not answer the OP. Are you simply here to troll me personally? You do not criticize any other poster here, only my posts.

I asked questions which you didn't answer and gave my opinion on the dangers in an earlier post.

Have you ever gone to relationship therapy? No

How about sex therapy? No

Would you do it? If I needed it, yes to both.

Why or why not? Because I would need it from a properly qualified professional.

Is there a time in the past when you would have done it? No. I am glad not to be in the relationships that I did not ultimately enjoy.

Is there anything that you would do differently in any of your previous relationships? In hindsight, I was immature regarding one lover's bi-sexuality.

If you have nothing to share, why are you even here? To give an opinion that some may find valuable rather than a challenge.

Everyone else here is enjoying a nice conversation on the subject that they have shared about. We are discussing our relationships, sharing a lot of personal information with one another. We are not here to be interrogated.

Is this also your attitude to therapy?

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Yes, Drifter, that's a sex therapist.

Most people would consider her well qualified. From her website:

She is also an assistant clinical professor of OBGYN and Psychiatry at the Feinberg School of Medicine at Northwestern University. In working as a sex educator, researcher and therapist for 20 years, Dr. Berman has helped countless couples achieve success in establishing a secure and stimulating relationship and a heightened level of intimacy.

After obtaining a Master's Degree in clinical social work and a Doctorate in health education specializing in human sexuality from New York University, she went on to complete a training fellowship in Sexual Therapy with the Department of Psychiatry, New York University Medical Center.

Dr. Berman is also a member of the American Association of Sex Educators Counselors and Therapists (AASECT), Society for the Scientific Study of Sexuality (SSSS), National Association of Social Workers (NASW), International Society for the Study of Women's Sexual Health (ISSWSH), and American Urologic Society (AUA).
 
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Who?
(Goes to Google)

Well aren't you teaching an old Pitbull dog new tricks.

Dr. Laura Berman and pillows. :smile:

If you have NetFlix, there was a reality show called Sexual Healing that's available On Demand about couples visiting the Berman Center for sex therapy with her. I've only seen a few episodes now, but it's interesting. You get frustrated at some of the people in the relationships sometimes and they don't all work out their problems or stay together, but it's really fascinating. It has started a lot of really good conversations between me and TheBF that we wouldn't have had unless we watched it, so that's been really great!
 

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Relationship issues can affect the sex life, sex issues can affect the relationship. They are properly distinct.

Yes, Drifter, that's a sex therapist.

She's also a counsellor, educator and TV personality, specialising in women's sexual health.

But I am not sure what someone that I had never heard of has got to do with the point I made above. I am sure that she understands the difference between promoting women;'s sexual health, sex educating, relationship counselling and psychosexual therapy.

AE's husband was fortunate to have a woman who intuitively (as far as I know she is not Dr. Berman) treated him for psychosexual problems, her own issues are now of a very different nature.

You can lump all these things together if you want, but IMO you will get more out of the subject posted, and relate it properly to issues that you may have had, if you understand the differences.
 

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It's good that you got out of the relationship with the druggie. My first love got into drugs after I broke up with him, something I feel guilty about since I'm positive it would never have happened if we had stayed together and I was the one who broke up with him and regretted that decision, but I refused to take him back until he cleaned up. He never cleaned up, at least not in time for us. He is clean now and doing fantastic. He's happily married and has an extremely successful business and he's really happy. I still talk to him occassionally. We keep in touch.

My druggie was my first love too! He was a pot smoker and managed to go through $175 a week worth of pot. Mostly bought with my money, because his income was less than that and he smoked cigarettes as well. He also couldn't hold down a job, was extremely jealous, and had the worst mood swings and emotional control I've ever seen. I was also worried that he may eventually turn to harder drugs. Yep, definitely good that I got out of that one. When he killed himself I did have a few moments of guilt, wondering if I could have 'fixed' him, or if he might not have done it if we'd stayed together (it happened some years after we broke up). But truly, I think it was something that was always going to happen. I couldn't have fixed him, because he didn't want to be fixed, he saw it all (life) as too hard. So I do feel sad for him, and for the children and girlfriend that he left behind, but I don't beat myself up about it, and I feel thankful that I got out when I did.

It's great to hear that your druggie cleaned up and everything worked out well for him. It's nice to hear success stories occasionally :smile:. And good on you for refusing to get back with him unless he cleaned up. That may be part of why he eventually DID clean up - because you showed him that a healthy relationship and drugs don't mix (usually).


TheBF is a nice guy. Super incredibly unbelievably nice! Yeah, therapy might have helped there with your nice guy, if he was nice like TheBF is. We were very vanilla and becoming less and less vanilla. It's fun! I don't know if TheBF would have ever pushed me towards kinkiness and sexual exploration, but he's so nice and open-minded towards me that he's been receptive to all sorts of suggestions and ideas. It's really.... nice. I like nice. :smile: Was that before you got into your kinks?

He was a super nice guy. Probably a lot like TheBF in some ways. He would have done anything for me and would have made a perfect husband and father. I actually felt that he was TOO nice for me. Especially coming right after the argumentative druggie. I didn't know what to do with him or how to cope with someone who did everything I asked. It was too easy to take advantage of him and I felt uncomfortable getting along all the time. At a different time in my life he probably would have worked well for me (except sexually), but at that point it was all wrong. When I broke up with him I used the cliched line 'It's not you, it's me' and I really MEANT it! He thought I was just using a standardised line. But it was true. He was all the right things, but I didn't fit with him.

I was with him before I realised what I liked sexually. I had nagging suspicions and felt unfulfilled, but had no idea WHY I felt unfulfilled. The sex was nice, and I orgasmed, so what was the problem? Now I would be able to say 'You're just too nice in bed. I need you to treat me rougher'. I could give him websites to look at and write him a list of what I liked. But then I didn't KNOW what I liked, so I couldn't tell him. I think even if I could have told him, it wouldn't have changed anything. I think he was too nice at heart and didn't have an ounce of dominance in him. But if I'd known what I wanted, we could at least have tried. This is where the therapist may have come in handy. A therapist may have encouraged me to figure out what I wanted and helped me to communicate how important it was.

We stayed friends for years after we broke up but then lost contact. I've been thinking recently about getting back in touch with him. Not to get back together again (according to his facebook page he has a wife and kids), just to reconnect. I've missed him.


I know what you mean about being with a guy who wouldn't see a therapist with you. The one guy I saw a couples counselor with refused to go until I told him that I would not stay with him unless we went together. I was serious about that, too, but he didn't understand that the jealousy issue wasn't something I could live with, and we would either fix it or I would leave. Maybe that was part of the problem, maybe he was resisting the process because he was there under an ultimatum and he could be stubborn like that, but I was serious about not living with the issue, and I did leave him eventually. I guess that he didn't know me as well as I thought he did. He should have realized that about me.

Ahhh, jealousy is a big problem and not something I would put up with. The druggie ex had some really jealous moments. I think with most girls he would have become one of those controlling jealous types, but I told him I would leave him if he kept on with it, and he took me seriously.

With the FB with blurred boundaries (I'll call him the FBBB), it was mostly communication that was the problem. Well, that and the blurred boundaries. Every now and then I would tell him how I felt about him, but most of the time I kept quiet because 'we weren't supposed to be in a relationship'. Then when I did come out with how I felt, he would murmur sweet nothings in my ear, and we'd have sex with nothing being clearly communicated or resolved (especially on his part). But then the FBBB would have moments when he seemed convinced that we were 'together'. It was all just too confusing. I think he was trying to have the best of both worlds. He wanted me to be faithful to him, but didn't want the responsibilities of a relationship (like seeing your partner more than once a week). Nevertheless, when it ended (because I had found ex 3) it felt as bad as any other break up and he was just as upset as he would have been if we were together. I think a therapist could have helped (forced? :smile:) us to communicate with each other. A simple 'this is what I want' and 'this is what I'm willing to accept' would have solved a lot of problems.


I didn't realize that you've already been in a relationship that was so sexless. Sometimes, you just aren't compatible! Sometimes you just aren't meant to be together.

Oh, it was bloody awful! During the 'honeymoon period' all was good. We had sex often, if not quite as often as I would have liked. Once the honeymoon period was over, it was still sort of OK, because I would initiate sex and encourage him to participate. But once I had depression, it all went downhill fast. He never initiated, because he didn't want sex. I never initiated because I was depressed (It was my version of a lowered sex drive. I still wanted sex as much, but couldn't initiate). So sex just didn't happen. And the more it didn't happen, the more unattractive I felt, and the more depressed I got, which meant I initiated sex even less. I've read in your posts that you experienced similar feelings when an ex didn't have sex with you often, so you know the kind of effect it can have. Added to all of that was that he never came. Ever (well, maybe once or twice a year). I knew his problem wasn't related to me, but it still FELT like it was my fault. So I ended up being a depressed mess, who never got sex. This was probably the biggest factor in creating and maintaining the depression. But because I was depressed I didn't have the motivation to change anything or end the relationship. I give thanks to my cat regularly for being the one to help end it all (yes, my cat). I'm finally beginning to get my sexual confidence back again (years later) and it feels fantastic! As I'm giving out thank yous I should thank my FB because he has had a big part in helping me to feel sexually confident and desired again. I try not to dwell on those crappy years too much, because I want to see things positively, but it's taken a long time to recover from it. I wish I'd ended it sooner, but I didn't and that's the way it is.
 

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Drifter, if you would like to comment to AE, then please do so, but don't refer to her in reference to me. If you don't want to see a sex therapist, then just give your reasons for it, if you feel like sharing. I've asked for personal opinions and experiences, I have not volunteered to answer questions posed by LPSG members. Sharing is entirely voluntary.

You have expressed how you feel about how you believe psychosexual issues ought to be handled twice now. You have expressed that you do not feel that anything should be discussed in sex therapy except sex. I disagree with you, which is already obvious. I should not have to explicitly state that, it is obviously implied by all of my previous posts. Now we both know where we stand on that issue, now that I've stated that explicitly. I know what you think, and you know what I think. I don't feel that I need to debate it with you. I am comfortable knowing that you have a different opinion from me, and I respect that you have a different opinion.

I am flattered by all of the individual attention that you are giving me on this subject the past three or four days, and I can sense that I must have pushed a button for you, perhaps regarding a relationship or a personal experience that makes you feel that you must convince me of something? I can think of no other reason why you think it is so important that I agree with whatever your point is. After all, I am a complete stranger on the internet, but the attention that you have focused on me alone out of everyone in this thread means something. I don't think that you find me in particular of interest, so I must assume that it's the subject of relationships, monogamy, and therapy that has touched a nerve for you and made it important for you to debunk some particular point or pick a fight with me over something, perhaps to convince yourself of a particular point or to convince yourself of something by convincing me? I cannot think of why it's so important to you that I agree with you. I am sorry if this is a sensitive subject for you.
 
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My druggie was my first love too! He was a pot smoker and managed to go through $175 a week worth of pot. Mostly bought with my money, because his income was less than that and he smoked cigarettes as well. He also couldn't hold down a job, was extremely jealous, and had the worst mood swings and emotional control I've ever seen. I was also worried that he may eventually turn to harder drugs. Yep, definitely good that I got out of that one. When he killed himself I did have a few moments of guilt, wondering if I could have 'fixed' him, or if he might not have done it if we'd stayed together (it happened some years after we broke up). But truly, I think it was something that was always going to happen. I couldn't have fixed him, because he didn't want to be fixed, he saw it all (life) as too hard. So I do feel sad for him, and for the children and girlfriend that he left behind, but I don't beat myself up about it, and I feel thankful that I got out when I did.

I am so sorry to hear about him killing himself! I can't imagine. It is a good thing that you got out when you did. I am so sorry that happened.

It's great to hear that your druggie cleaned up and everything worked out well for him. It's nice to hear success stories occasionally :smile:. And good on you for refusing to get back with him unless he cleaned up. That may be part of why he eventually DID clean up - because you showed him that a healthy relationship and drugs don't mix (usually).

It was hard, and I wasn't that successful. I kept backsliding and sleeping with him over the next few years, which probably didn't help him really believe me that I wouldn't take him back, but we just had such amazing chemistry and he was an amazing lover, one of the absolute best I've ever had, and I was head over heals in love with him. I did eventually put my foot down, stopped sleeping with him, and made my ultimatum about not taking him back until he cleaned up. He wallowed in self-misery and acted like I rejected him and that I didn't want him, and just kept using and drinking. I started dating other men. He started dating other women. We remained friends, but he made it obvious that he still pined for me. We even went on double dates. Maybe he did see that having a healthy relationship isn't compatible with drugs. He dated women who liked to party, I dated guys who didn't have those kinds of problems. We eventually grew further and further apart.

Then one day, he disappeared. No one knew where he went. About six years later, someone told me that they had seen him in town, that he had run into him at one of my usual hangouts and he had taken a huge group of them out to an incredibly expensive restaurant and they had partied all night and he looked great and doing really well. We reconnected several years later, which is when he told me that he knew that he had to change his life, so he left and moved as far away as he could, spent years traveling and taking odd jobs, cleaning himself up, becoming a better man than he was before he left, eventually returning to college again.

He's become the most successful out of all of my ex-boyfriends! I'm really proud of him. (And he's the only one of my ex-es that TheBF is really jealous of, but he handles those feelings with remarkable maturity.)

He was a super nice guy. Probably a lot like TheBF in some ways. He would have done anything for me and would have made a perfect husband and father. I actually felt that he was TOO nice for me. Especially coming right after the argumentative druggie. I didn't know what to do with him or how to cope with someone who did everything I asked. It was too easy to take advantage of him and I felt uncomfortable getting along all the time. At a different time in my life he probably would have worked well for me (except sexually), but at that point it was all wrong. When I broke up with him I used the cliched line 'It's not you, it's me' and I really MEANT it! He thought I was just using a standardised line. But it was true. He was all the right things, but I didn't fit with him.

I was with him before I realised what I liked sexually. I had nagging suspicions and felt unfulfilled, but had no idea WHY I felt unfulfilled. The sex was nice, and I orgasmed, so what was the problem? Now I would be able to say 'You're just too nice in bed. I need you to treat me rougher'. I could give him websites to look at and write him a list of what I liked. But then I didn't KNOW what I liked, so I couldn't tell him. I think even if I could have told him, it wouldn't have changed anything. I think he was too nice at heart and didn't have an ounce of dominance in him. But if I'd known what I wanted, we could at least have tried. This is where the therapist may have come in handy. A therapist may have encouraged me to figure out what I wanted and helped me to communicate how important it was.

We stayed friends for years after we broke up but then lost contact. I've been thinking recently about getting back in touch with him. Not to get back together again (according to his facebook page he has a wife and kids), just to reconnect. I've missed him.

I've thought about this before. If I had met TheBF when I was younger than I was, I don't think I would have recognized just how wonderful he is. I'm not sure I would have appreciated him as much. I had to have certain experiences before I realized that he was what I really wanted.

I understand what you mean about reconnecting. I've tried to stay connected with my first love better, but his wife is jealous, so I talk to him maybe once a year at most now. I don't wish to cause any problems. I was hoping that she would feel more comfortable with me and want to get know me and TheBF, and maybe we could all become friends, but it didn't work out like that. I still like hearing how he's doing every once in a while. It's really great just hearing updates on his life now, even if they're really infrequent.

You should get in contact with him! Even if it's just to hear how he's doing, it's really nice to find out.

Ahhh, jealousy is a big problem and not something I would put up with. The druggie ex had some really jealous moments. I think with most girls he would have become one of those controlling jealous types, but I told him I would leave him if he kept on with it, and he took me seriously.

I know! The thing that drove me wild about his jealousy is that I was so crazy about him that I really would never cheat on him. He had no idea how I felt about him. If only I could have convinced him, but the jealousy ruined it all. It was the only thing that got between us, his inability to believe that I adored him. It made us both so unhappy when we could have been amazing together. We had that potential. It was so frustrating, so sad.

With the FB with blurred boundaries (I'll call him the FBBB), it was mostly communication that was the problem. Well, that and the blurred boundaries. Every now and then I would tell him how I felt about him, but most of the time I kept quiet because 'we weren't supposed to be in a relationship'. Then when I did come out with how I felt, he would murmur sweet nothings in my ear, and we'd have sex with nothing being clearly communicated or resolved (especially on his part). But then the FBBB would have moments when he seemed convinced that we were 'together'. It was all just too confusing. I think he was trying to have the best of both worlds. He wanted me to be faithful to him, but didn't want the responsibilities of a relationship (like seeing your partner more than once a week). Nevertheless, when it ended (because I had found ex 3) it felt as bad as any other break up and he was just as upset as he would have been if we were together. I think a therapist could have helped (forced? :smile:) us to communicate with each other. A simple 'this is what I want' and 'this is what I'm willing to accept' would have solved a lot of problems.

It does sound like he enjoyed having the best of both worlds. It sounds like you had it right on the mark. He loved knowing how you felt about him, but he didn't want to make a commitment, or he was unwilling to admit to himself how he felt about you.

Oh, it was bloody awful! During the 'honeymoon period' all was good. We had sex often, if not quite as often as I would have liked. Once the honeymoon period was over, it was still sort of OK, because I would initiate sex and encourage him to participate. But once I had depression, it all went downhill fast. He never initiated, because he didn't want sex. I never initiated because I was depressed (It was my version of a lowered sex drive. I still wanted sex as much, but couldn't initiate). So sex just didn't happen. And the more it didn't happen, the more unattractive I felt, and the more depressed I got, which meant I initiated sex even less. I've read in your posts that you experienced similar feelings when an ex didn't have sex with you often, so you know the kind of effect it can have. Added to all of that was that he never came. Ever (well, maybe once or twice a year). I knew his problem wasn't related to me, but it still FELT like it was my fault. So I ended up being a depressed mess, who never got sex. This was probably the biggest factor in creating and maintaining the depression. But because I was depressed I didn't have the motivation to change anything or end the relationship. I give thanks to my cat regularly for being the one to help end it all (yes, my cat). I'm finally beginning to get my sexual confidence back again (years later) and it feels fantastic! As I'm giving out thank yous I should thank my FB because he has had a big part in helping me to feel sexually confident and desired again. I try not to dwell on those crappy years too much, because I want to see things positively, but it's taken a long time to recover from it. I wish I'd ended it sooner, but I didn't and that's the way it is.

Never came? How strange! Was he on Prozac or maybe some other medication that caused it? Prozac can prevent ejaculation. It prevented me from orgasming.

I can believe that your cat helped you with your depression. My dog is always a wonderful companion whenever I'm feeling low.

An appreciative man always helps a lot, too! I know that we're supposed to be "strong" enough to feel confident and sexy without external validation, but I guess I'm not very strong. I felt fantastic after I broke up with my ex-boyfriend and a lot of men paid me a lot of attention immediately after I became single. It didn't hurt when TheBF asked me out on a date. :biggrin1:

It sounds like you've got your groove back. :smile:
 

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I'll chime in here with my issues. My ex is a great guy. We had some troubles which we have worked through and we've talked about moving back in together. But the problem I don't know how to get around is the fact that he's LOUSY in bed. It started off fine 4 years ago but it gradually went to lousy. He doesn't like to kiss or cuddle, just fuck when he's horny. Bam Bam thank you mam and roll over and go to sleep. He does not like being touched on his balls or his ass. He won't let me finger his ass or rim him nor will he do it to me. Sex has to be doggie style or spooning (laying on our sides) never face to face. And sex went to once a month when it use to be once a night. Me being horny doesn't count. He'll be tired! He claims he just has a lower sex drive. I'm 54, he's 25.

As I said we enjoy each others company, travel together and work together very well. We've worked out the things that broke us up but this aspect of living with him has me keeping him at arms length.

I don't know what to do about this. I can have more passionate sex with strangers. One fuck buddy I have is so passionate in bed, a great kisser, loves trying new things, etc.

I'm not sure a counselor a would work!
 

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I'll chime in here with my issues. My ex is a great guy. We had some troubles which we have worked through and we've talked about moving back in together. But the problem I don't know how to get around is the fact that he's LOUSY in bed. It started off fine 4 years ago but it gradually went to lousy. He doesn't like to kiss or cuddle, just fuck when he's horny. Bam Bam thank you mam and roll over and go to sleep. He does not like being touched on his balls or his ass. He won't let me finger his ass or rim him nor will he do it to me. Sex has to be doggie style or spooning (laying on our sides) never face to face. And sex went to once a month when it use to be once a night. Me being horny doesn't count. He'll be tired! He claims he just has a lower sex drive. I'm 54, he's 25.

As I said we enjoy each others company, travel together and work together very well. We've worked out the things that broke us up but this aspect of living with him has me keeping him at arms length.

I don't know what to do about this. I can have more passionate sex with strangers. One fuck buddy I have is so passionate in bed, a great kisser, loves trying new things, etc.

I'm not sure a counselor a would work!

With that level of sexual incompatibility, I'd tend to agree.

I think that the very nature of NSA fuck-buddyhood can lead to much more intense, creative and explosive sex. It can be difficult to explore one's limits with someone to whom one is tied with a boatload of life's commitments; it can just seem to risk too much. The problem with being so risk-averse is boredom, restlessness and the feeling of having compromised too much, if not outright bed-death. That's a challenge I struggled throughout my many partnerships over the last 32 years.
 

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I can believe that your cat helped you with your depression. My dog is always a wonderful companion whenever I'm feeling low.

:smile:

Why bother with the therapist?
Get a pet!

Dog will work for kibble and the cat for a little tuna
 

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I am so sorry to hear about him killing himself! I can't imagine. It is a good thing that you got out when you did. I am so sorry that happened.

Oddly, I didn't feel terribly traumatised when I heard about it. I was sad, but more for the people he left behind. I think I had prepared myself for it to happen many years before, so when it did happen, it didn't come as a surprise.

The way I found out was strange though. His mum, who hadn't talked to me since we broke up, called me. But it wasn't just to let me know what happened. She wanted me to give evidence that my ex's girlfriend/wife was taking lots of drugs so she (the mum) could get custody of the kids. But when I knew the girlfriend/wife, she took significantly LESS drugs than my ex did. On top of that, I hadn't even seen the girlfriend/wife for years, I think kids should stay with their parents unless there is serious reason not to, AND I knew that my ex's dad (who the mum still lived with) had been accused of child abuse. Was I really going to lie, and possibly put the kids (who I'd never met) in a possibly worse situation? Most certainly NOT! I told her I wouldn't do it. I understood that she felt bad about his death, but that's no reason to mess up the kids' life even further. I ended up taking her some flowers and some old photos of him that I still had lying around. I figured they would mean more to her than to me.


It was hard, and I wasn't that successful. I kept backsliding and sleeping with him over the next few years, which probably didn't help him really believe me that I wouldn't take him back, but we just had such amazing chemistry and he was an amazing lover, one of the absolute best I've ever had, and I was head over heals in love with him.

That's what makes it so hard. I've never loved anyone as much as I loved the druggie ex, and breaking up with him broke my heart. But it had to be done. I backslid once as well. Only once, but it was enough to make me realise I'd made the right decision the first time around.


He's become the most successful out of all of my ex-boyfriends! I'm really proud of him. (And he's the only one of my ex-es that TheBF is really jealous of, but he handles those feelings with remarkable maturity.)

I'm proud of anyone who can get though drug addiction and come out the other side. It's an amazing achievement.


I've thought about this before. If I had met TheBF when I was younger than I was, I don't think I would have recognized just how wonderful he is. I'm not sure I would have appreciated him as much. I had to have certain experiences before I realized that he was what I really wanted.

It's pretty scary how much our life stage can impact how we fit together with someone. You'd think that two people who fit together, would always fit together, but I do think the nice ex would have been a better fit for 30 year old me than 18 year old me.

I'm so happy for you and TheBF that you met each other at the right time. Fingers crossed that I can meet the right person at the right time too :smile:.


I understand what you mean about reconnecting. I've tried to stay connected with my first love better, but his wife is jealous, so I talk to him maybe once a year at most now. I don't wish to cause any problems. I was hoping that she would feel more comfortable with me and want to get know me and TheBF, and maybe we could all become friends, but it didn't work out like that. I still like hearing how he's doing every once in a while. It's really great just hearing updates on his life now, even if they're really infrequent.

You should get in contact with him! Even if it's just to hear how he's doing, it's really nice to find out.

I suspect (although I don't know) that jealousy is the reason we lost contact in the first place. We'd been great friends and saw each other regularly. Then one day he said he was moving elsewhere with his new girlfriend. I told him to make sure he came to say goodbye and he never came. I never heard from him again. As I couldn't detect cracks in our friendship, I can only put it down to jealousy on the girlfriend's part. I think I might get back in touch again though.


It does sound like he enjoyed having the best of both worlds. It sounds like you had it right on the mark. He loved knowing how you felt about him, but he didn't want to make a commitment, or he was unwilling to admit to himself how he felt about you.

Yes! That's exactly it! I think he thought he would always be able to get away with having my devotion, whilst putting in minimal effort. If he admitted to feeling the same way, I would require more effort from him. Then when he lost me he got a shock because he thought I would always be there.


Never came? How strange! Was he on Prozac or maybe some other medication that caused it? Prozac can prevent ejaculation. It prevented me from orgasming.

Nope. No medication. It didn't seem to be specific to me either, because he didn't come during the two sexual encounters he had before me. It seemed to be a psychological problem more than anything, combined with a low sex drive. I think he had some residual Catholic guilt, combined with a fear of losing control. And yes, it was very, very strange. I've been with guys who take a long time to come, but this guy just didn't come at all. The handful of times he did (in a four year relationship) it was after hours of sex.


I can believe that your cat helped you with your depression. My dog is always a wonderful companion whenever I'm feeling low.

Not only did she help with the depression, she was actually the catalyst for our break up. I talk about it a bit in some posts on this thread:

http://www.lpsg.org/190248-are-these-really-things-all-10.html


An appreciative man always helps a lot, too! I know that we're supposed to be "strong" enough to feel confident and sexy without external validation, but I guess I'm not very strong. I felt fantastic after I broke up with my ex-boyfriend and a lot of men paid me a lot of attention immediately after I became single. It didn't hurt when TheBF asked me out on a date. :biggrin1:

It sounds like you've got your groove back. :smile:

Validation certainly helps. I find it a little embarrassing how much my confidence and sense of self is connected to the sexual side of me. I seem to have grown in leaps and bounds since I let the sexual side out to play again :tongue:



Why bother with the therapist?
Get a pet!

Dog will work for kibble and the cat for a little tuna

Chickens are probably better therapists than cats, in my experience anyway. Chickens seem to care more about people and their feelings than cats do.

I've actually thought about doing my PhD on the bond between people and pets, but I don't think any of the lecturers at my uni would be qualified enough to supervise me in that area.