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Discussion in 'Et Cetera, Et Cetera' started by Mem, Feb 10, 2008.
Are you for it or against it?
If you already have it do you like it?
You need to better define what you mean by universal, Mem.
Health care available to all citizens. No one will be turned away form a Hospital Emergency Room for not having money.
As someone who is uninsured, I would definitely welcome it.
I am for it.
Have it, love it.
Well, unless I'm mistaken most countries, including the US provide this. In many countries the quality may be poor, but that's a different issue, isn't it?
my health care costs over 500 bucks a month
In theory they are supposed to. Watch Michael Moore's Sicko and see the way health care sucks in the U.S. The movie is good until they get to Cuba and buy their propaganda shit.
Ambulances can be turned away from hospitals in this country if you are poor.
HMO's are in charge of making money and turning people down.
They can deny you coverage after it was approved and you have to pay back the money.
In the movie a poor black woman's child died after they denied it access to an Emergency room and told her to go to a hospital in her health plan system.
Another lady was told her coverage in a car accident was not valid because she did not call them (while seriously hurt) to okay the Hospital ahead of time.
Actually you are incorrect. Hospitals in America will turn away most people without insurance, and/or give half assed service to anyone that is unable to pay. Also, you have to pay doctors individually.
As with everything, there's pros and cons. It's my understanding it's great for the average person of moderately good health. It's a no-brainer to get in to see a family doctor for a mild problem. But, and please correct me if I'm wrong, the problems come into play when you need to see a specialist. And usually when that happens, time isn't on your side. So you could end up not getting the appropriate treatment for something urgent.
In this country, if you are sick, you are better off being poor and on Medicaid, if you qualify.
If you have private insurance your claims may be denied and you will lose everything anyway, including your life.
If we're using the movie "Sicko" as a reference, it's not a bad idea. The only bad side to this is that Universal Health Care would eventually mean higher taxes, since portions of that money will go to fund it. However, the taxes you'd pay would probably never equal the amount of monthly rates some people have to pay for regular insurance. I'm all for it.
We need to find a way to
make sure people don't lose everything they have to a severe illness;
not make American businesses less competitive by having to offer expensive health insurance; and
cause Americans to take more responsibility for the state of their own personal health.
I have a buddy who's a doctor who points out that his patients come see him 'cause of all the smoking, overeating and drinking they do.
I don't want your family to be devastated by a serious health problem, but I also don't want to pick up the tab for the stupid-ass way you may have taken care of yourself. Sorry if that sounds too harsh. I'm just not crazy about the extreme viewpoints on this ... either Cover Everyone For Everything, or You're Totally On Your Own.
im insured so I dont care about Universal Health Care
Universal Health Care is socialist only people with money should have heath care.
An even better preventative is just not be be born poor.
When I start basing my opinions on a Michael Moore movie, I'll let you know.
Then they are almost certainly in breach of EMTALA and should be sued up the ying yang.
HMOs don't have the authority to deny emergency medical treatment.
Only if you have a means to pay or have actively sought to hide such means. If you don't and can prove it you cannot be pursued for payment.
It's a movie aimed at creating cinematic shock and awe Mem, did it occur to you that such incidents may neither be representative nor. fully and accurately portrayed?
For example, Moore praised French health care, which even though the circumstances were exceptional didn't do too well in 2003 though did it, despite 'universal' access.
Also from the movie Sicko is a line I like 'If we have money to kill we ought to have money to save lives'.
The problem with cherry picking who get's covered and who isn't is like telling the fire department don't put out that house fire those people smoke and that's why the house is on fire. Let them put it out themselves.
Universal health care should be a government program available to all.
In the context of emergency medical care you may want to re-think that statement. Providing 'half-assed' care if proven, would be career suicide and doctors are (generally) not that stupid.
Malpractice insurance may not cover willful negligence, at least it shouldn't other than to compensate the victims.
I understand that he is showing the extremes, but they do exist.
Anyway this is about Universal Health Care and not the movie.