I included rape because it's a scenario the mother has no control over - and therefore cannot plan to avoid it in any way.
Agreed re: medical reasons, where issues such as quality of life and threat to the mother's life enter the equation.
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Agreed re: medical reasons, where issues such as quality of life and threat to the mother's life enter the equation.
Half agree, half disagree.
The current, endemic proliferation of firearms doesn't make Americans safer.
But, due to the above, personal hand guns actually might.
The former needs to be addressed before the latter can be tackled. Unless they need focusing on in tandem? (*no answer*).
hypolimnas
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Disagree on grounds of irrelevance. You don't need to know much about the workings of guns to know they are a danger to life and limb. Check the stats http://edition.cnn.com/2017/10/03/americas/us-gun-statistics/index.html
EagleCowboy
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Totally disagree. It's a tool I use to keep me safe from you.
Totally disagree. Guns are not the danger to life and limb. Oh yeah. Don't be using a fake news outlet to justify your position.
That doesn't touch on what I was saying is my unpopular opinion... That most anti-gun people know next to nothing about firearms. I think you may have meant to reply to hypolimnas?
It was a generalised reply to both of you - side-skirting the comment about gun knowledge.
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Disagree. Gun owners are twice as likely to be shot than non gun owners.
I'm a legal gun owner. I don't deny that having one in my house doesn't actually keep my safer.
Oh, and uh... I'm no huge fan of CNN, but it's not fake news. Establishment media outlet? Yes. All out FAKE? No.
sodominsane
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easy....while its easy to appreciate the fine mechanical precision of a well crafted firearm...its more than thatNot everyone felt the need to own a spear, nor a boomerang, nor the bow and arrow. There seemed to be no addiction to own one. Yet everyone has, had the capability to create one.
What is it about a guns that turns us into such protective zealots. Is it their beauty, their power, the ease of which they fit snugly to the hand or body, their sexuality, the power or fascination of something small able to do so much damage. The larger the projectile, the more fascination.
I don't know. All politics aside it seems to be a world wide phenomenon and not just a localized situation.
I've pondered this question for years. I've never been against gun ownership.I'm sure there are differing reasons. Yet, there is something there that is just out of reach of explanation, yet connects it all.
Perhaps it has to do with the Big Bang theory
firearms world wide are a symbol of control....control if environment (hunting and animal protection)....protection form other armed people....defense of bordered...keeping groups in power
no one lust after spear or bows ....because there time has passed
historically in medieval times the common man was prohibited from owning sword Spears crossbow and armor....in Europe as well as fuedal japan(not sure on rest of the world).....im.sure the surfs lusted for those weapons then
sodominsane
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I'm a gun owner too...however I'm a bit of an odd ball....every male member of my family has been in army...russian and us
and it's been family tradition to take home a war trophy....so all our guns have historical value...and all of em are pretty old....going back to ww1
also a few sabres from way way back
but like you said ...satistics say it makes your house more dangerous....to ignore this would be foolish
sometimes i see the shit going on (public shootings) and I'm ready to ban all firearms
but...
however dangerous guns are I would not want to be the only unarmed guy in an armed society
Nah, I think it just became laziness. A well made arrow was as sought after a well made bow. People I think just got tired of looking for the ones which missed. Something you don't worry about with a gun.
People in the cities...towns may have been prohibited to own pointy things. But people in the country would not have had a problem with making their own and concealing it.
hypolimnas
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hypolimnas
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I'm so pleased this has turned out to be an unpopular position - I was worried my comments were off topic.
Are there any gun religion worshippers interested in the facts?
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts
hypolimnas
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I have a gun license, it took weeks of study and background checking because it is is an exceptional license. But I also value human life - I have studied that all my life.
sodominsane
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second paragraph....thats always been case....rural folk even today are more likely to be armed....even in American wild west days...."gun control" was rampade....most towns prohibited firearms.....in rural setting more need to be armed.....and who is gonna enforce it
also people who want weapons.....well they get them....kinda like illegal heaters now
in Germany swords were prohibited for commoners.....so they came uo with the grossmesser.....which is technically not a sword but a big sword sized knife...
.or at least that's the legend of origin of the grossemesser
EagleCowboy
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Don't start twisting things.Nothing was said about who is more likely to get shot. I just said it's a TOOL I use to keep me safe from YOU. And I do mean YOU. Went right over your head.
Nope. Disagree. Facts prove otherwise. As for CNN, sure it's an established media outlet. So what. Big fat hairy deal. That doesn't mean shit. The fact is they are a fake news organization and keep proving it everyday. If you're not seeing that, you're not paying attention. So is NBC MSNBC which started it all........
Hey buddy, this isn't supposed to turn into an aggressive argument.
I do know how to use my firearms.
Have a nice day.
hypolimnas
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Your last point is interesting, if you don't trust the police, military, judicial system and community to keep you and your family safe then those things need to be invested in and fixed.
sodominsane
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ask Charles Kinsey how much he should trust police
i may be coming off as more of a gun nut than i am.....i am not one of those you can pay my gun from my cold dead hand guys....
i do have a conceal and carry permit....but it was gotten long time ago for a specific job i had.....kept permit..
but haven't carried in years
mainly cause I'm just not that fearful of my safey....and am not really scared of death....i do alot of dangerous sports (ie basejumping) to worry about the odd chance ill get assulted
my firearm collection is more antique than anything
however....historically and currently the police and military are extremely poor at protecting the citizenry
in fact the militaries mission is one of external security
and the police ....have no legal duty to defend me.....
I'm gonna start a different thread about that.....i urge you and my internet pals (you guys know who you are) to veiw it in politics section
a point of note....remember the Vegas shooting....if i could eliminate lunatics with guns....bombs...or trucks....i would
but i can't......
the lunitic stated shooting at 10.05.....police breached his room at 11 20......
so understand in a city with tons of police and private security....in a public place....help is only an hour away
