Upset at American 'Morals'

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Radio talk show host Tom Leykis is banned in Canada because of controversial (not politically correct) content.

So I guess freedom of speech isn't its biggest selling point.
 

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Radio talk show host Tom Leykis is banned in Canada because of controversial (not politically correct) content.

So I guess freedom of speech isn't its biggest selling point.

Do you have a reference for that?

I have heard that the kink scene in Toronto is the best, and the most free from harassment, in North America. But I would imagine that it pales in comparison with Amsterdam.
 

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David Sidaris said something along the lines of:

"And how can they say we're all prudes when nearly everyone I know has been involved in a 3-way at some point?"

I worked in government and knew a couple who were pretty high up in the pecking order. The wife managed to get a little higher because she was, and this was the entire reason, a nice piece of ass. She was sleeping with her "new" husband before her divorce was begun. Then she snagged a department head for her next step up while she was still sleeping with the second guy. All along, for the eight years I knew these people, they were hyper critical of other employees' lapses, both sexually and ethically. They never seemed to notice how morally corrupt their own behavior was and THAT's how I would describe contemporary American morality. A bunch of lying hypocrites who would gladly violate any of the 10 commandments to get ahead and then find such an easy time of justifying their actions. I'd love to name names sometime...

Look at all the Republicans who impeached Bill Clinton who were keeping lovers and interns on the side.
 

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David Sidaris said something along the lines of:

"And how can they say we're all prudes when nearly everyone I know has been involved in a 3-way at some point?"

I worked in government and knew a couple who were pretty high up in the pecking order. The wife managed to get a little higher because she was, and this was the entire reason, a nice piece of ass. She was sleeping with her "new" husband before her divorce was begun. Then she snagged a department head for her next step up while she was still sleeping with the second guy. All along, for the eight years I knew these people, they were hyper critical of other employees' lapses, both sexually and ethically. They never seemed to notice how morally corrupt their own behavior was and THAT's how I would describe contemporary American morality. A bunch of lying hypocrites who would gladly violate any of the 10 commandments to get ahead and then find such an easy time of justifying their actions. I'd love to name names sometime...

Look at all the Republicans who impeached Bill Clinton who were keeping lovers and interns on the side.

Regardless of your political or religious beliefs...THIS post pretty much sums up the problem in America. Its the increasing difference between what many say and what they DO that is so disturbing to me.

I travel the country regularly for work and, honestly, wasnt that impressed by 'moral' climate in other more liberal parts of the country, even places like Miami and San Francisco. So, to those that advised moving out of Texas...I personally dont think it would do any good.

In thinking about this further on my drive to work this morning, I think I figured out the catch 22 of the US and Europe. Many Europeans fear our Economic Progressivism while many HERE fear their social progressivism. Its baffling, honestly.

And to the person that compared two people shagging on my lawn versus shagging on the beach: Umm, what? Think about that for a second. OF COURSE I am going to have issues with people shagging on my lawn, I OWN IT. Its an invasion of private property.

Its okay, though. After my next few business trips, I will have a nice stack of Frequent Flyer miles to use to Europe this spring ;)
 

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Regardless of your political or religious beliefs...THIS post pretty much sums up the problem in America. Its the increasing difference between what many say and what they DO that is so disturbing to me.

I travel the country regularly for work and, honestly, wasnt that impressed by 'moral' climate in other more liberal parts of the country, even places like Miami and San Francisco. So, to those that advised moving out of Texas...I personally dont think it would do any good.

In thinking about this further on my drive to work this morning, I think I figured out the catch 22 of the US and Europe. Many Europeans fear our Economic Progressivism while many HERE fear their social progressivism. Its baffling, honestly.

And to the person that compared two people shagging on my lawn versus shagging on the beach: Umm, what? Think about that for a second. OF COURSE I am going to have issues with people shagging on my lawn, I OWN IT. Its an invasion of private property.

Its okay, though. After my next few business trips, I will have a nice stack of Frequent Flyer miles to use to Europe this spring ;)

Please list one single government where that stuff does not occur
 

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...I have, more and more, been bumping up against our rather Puritanical sexual mores lately.

So, being in TX, I head to a local 'video' theatre. What happens? Everyone walks around covering themselves watching the various porns because they are afraid of the undercover vice cops. To be fair, the theatre posts all 4 of the Texan Penal codes that you could be arrested for even jerking off in the theatre...that you PAID to get into.
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Here is an example of ridiculous rules and regulations that the Texas State Legislature have imposed on the vendors of sex toys and their patrons:

YouTube - The Dildo Diaries, edit


No wonder some people have suggseted that you move away from this madness systemshock3.:rolleyes:
 

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I am wondering why some major insurance companies in canada pay for medical treatment in the US if the universal healthcare is so good? I also wonder why multitudes of canadian doctors take the licensing exams in the US and work here? As far as I know, canada's universal healthcare is nothing to brag about. Anyways, thats another topic

also, i think for every complaint about america there is an equivalent complaint about another country......remember the saying "the grass is always greener" :rolleyes:


No medical system is perfect. There are sometimes waits for NON life threatening procedures but in Canada.....You don't pay to see a doctor. You don't need to sell your house when you need open heart surgery. You are not turned away from any hospital because you don't have coverage. People over the age of 65 get all their medications for free. Some private insurance companies do pay for out of country treatments but that depends on your own Private Policy which is completely optional for those who feel they want more than what the system offers. When Bill and Hillary Clinton first came into the White House they seemed very sincere about trying to bring in universal health care to the USA. People in Canada were very surprised by the negativity and oposition that the Clinton's experienced. It seemed to us that the lobby groups were so strong that they were successful in convincing the American people that a good medicare plan was some how bad. The evil word "Socialized" medicine was enough to scare some people away. These lobby groups would very much like the USA to think that our system here is no good....Why do some doctors choose to work in the USA? Money. Our system is not run for profit and doctors can make more money in the states where the medical system is all about profit..... Given the choice, I'll take our system any day.

And here in Toronto, we have many bath houses and clubs (all legal). A nude/gay beach on the Toronto island. Laws that protect gay and lesbian people from discrimination in the work place. Full pension/survivor benefits for even common law same sex couples. The right for gay and lesbian people to adopt children and just as of yesterday, in a land mark ruling by our courts, a lesbian couple and the baby's biological father are now ALL legal parents of their child. I'm not USA bashing, just pointing out how fortunate I am to live in Canada.

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Radio talk show host Tom Leykis is banned in Canada because of controversial (not politically correct) content.

So I guess freedom of speech isn't its biggest selling point.


If his "not politically correct" talk goes against Canada's hate laws, then yes he would be banned. You can't give "an opinion" if it promotes hatred or violence against anyone based on race, beliefs, or sexual orientation. This is not a curbing of someones rights, but a protection of other's rights. The difference may seem sublte, but it is crucial.

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Vancouver BC has a gay nude beach; south of the border, Seattle does not have a gay beach at all as far as I have been able to find out, none untill you get down to Cali.

Re the attempt in the first Clinton term to establish universal coverage, something might have been accomplished if the D. majority in congress had continued after the 1994 elections, the congressional leadership procrastinated thinking they had plenty of time.

I think a consensus is building, even the insurance companys admit the present situation can't continue.

If some how we could take away the excellent coverage members of congress have, they might get their butts in gear.
 

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No medical system is perfect. There are sometimes waits for NON life threatening procedures but in Canada.....You don't pay to see a doctor. You don't need to sell your house when you need open heart surgery. You are not turned away from any hospital because you don't have coverage. People over the age of 65 get all their medications for free. Some private insurance companies do pay for out of country treatments but that depends on your own Private Policy which is completely optional for those who feel they want more than what the system offers. When Bill and Hillary Clinton first came into the White House they seemed very sincere about trying to bring in universal health care to the USA. People in Canada were very surprised by the negativity and oposition that the Clinton's experienced. It seemed to us that the lobby groups were so strong that they were successful in convincing the American people that a good medicare plan was some how bad. The evil word "Socialized" medicine was enough to scare some people away. These lobby groups would very much like the USA to think that our system here is no good....Why do some doctors choose to work in the USA? Money. Our system is not run for profit and doctors can make more money in the states where the medical system is all about profit..... Given the choice, I'll take our system any day.


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I know every plan has their flaws however, it is quite apparent that I would not want to be an old person in a socialized medical system. I know its all antecdotal but one of my med school buddies had a plan which included all treatments to be done in US.....which he did bc of the delays.....his problem was "serious" but not life threatening
 

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Canada's heath care system is vastly superior to the US system in guranteeing that people get heath coverage. Our politicians keep talking about it (ensuring that every American has heath care), but it can't happen unless the gov't takes control of the health care system.

Some coverage is better than none. Let's not be silly.

Necessary medical proceudres whould be free while elective surgeies should be paid for out of pocket. Period. Need open heart surgery--go the the surgeon. Need lipo--mortgage your house.

Of course, it will never happen as cash rules America and the HMOs and pharmaceutical companies have way too much money to lose it we make health care the province of the government.
 

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It's very complex to explain in a discussion like this, but let's not forget that the first immigrants of the USA were very religious, poor farmers from Europe... their morals were already very conservative to start with. I think the main problem is that the US government has allowed religion to play such a great part, the US politics seems to be led by God. I think it's ridiculous to forbid certain things, it's probably only forbidden because they are affraid to engage in them otherwise. They are affraid to be sexual, open, to live their life and to feel free.

People have a free choice! Most of them have common sense, why try to keep so much control?
 

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I´m from Florida but I´ve been living and working in Germany for the last 8 years and I love it! I feel so free to express myself politically as well as sexually! The majority of people that I come into contact with are open-minded and talk openly about sex. It´s not some dirty little secret like it was for me in Florida with most of the girls claiming to be virgins and the majority of the guys always on the "DL" because they were afraid of the cops!:eek: Here I can be myself and not feel like I should be ashamed for what I am, another human-being! And I think our health-care system has some faults but on the whole it´s a good system where everyone is covered no matter if rich or poor! That´s something American politicians should try to emulate but in reality I know it will never happen.:damnit:
 

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I definately agree that NA is very slow in the times as far as open sexuality. I'm sure there are many places you can go/visit to express oneself in Canada/US but it was nothing like my time in Greece. I travelled for a few years(Asia mostly) and my last stop was Greece before heading home. I LOVED it...I Do like to show off lol. I like being free and not worrying about moral constaints. It was Fantastic! If I wanted to take my cloths off and burn my ass in the hot sun...I could! (And did...ouch! next time I'll bring a friend to help with sunscreen lol)

Anyhow, so yeah :) Fun times!

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I know every plan has their flaws however, it is quite apparent that I would not want to be an old person in a socialized medical system. I know its all antecdotal but one of my med school buddies had a plan which included all treatments to be done in US.....which he did bc of the delays.....his problem was "serious" but not life threatening


I find this statement difficult to understand as it is the elderly who are some of the most at risk people as many are/would be considered uninsurable, have low incomes etc. I know of many people who have nothing but praised for the care and caring of the health care system when dealing with elderly loved ones in decline. The misconceptions as to what socialized health care are obviously very great.

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Canada's heath care system is vastly superior to the US system in guranteeing that people get heath coverage. Our politicians keep talking about it (ensuring that every American has heath care), but it can't happen unless the gov't takes control of the health care system.

Some coverage is better than none. Let's not be silly.

Necessary medical proceudres whould be free while elective surgeies should be paid for out of pocket. Period. Need open heart surgery--go the the surgeon. Need lipo--mortgage your house.

Of course, it will never happen as cash rules America and the HMOs and pharmaceutical companies have way too much money to lose it we make health care the province of the government.

I agree that some coverage is ideal. I think i have posted before what i woudl like to see as a plan. However, its not that simple. Where does this money come from? Who decided what is necessary and what isn't? Who has control of medical procedures and recommendations? What is considered elective and what isnt?

Is someone with lung cancer from smoking considered an elective procedure or not? If someone has a 100 pack year history and needs a lung resection does that come before or after the guy who lived healthy his entire life and needs a medical procedure not covered? Who says no and denies coverage? Is obesity and its related comorbidities covered? What about hypertension? Is it covered if it is due to a controllable medical problem or should it be denied? Socialized medicine is far from "fair".....

Also what you will see happen is everyone gets coverage, which will basically be an advancement of medicaid/medicare. Then the wealthy will purchase private insurance on top of that.....this is already happening in UK and they will receive far superior medical care bc "they can pay for it".

Universal healthcare is a great IDEA but in practicality there are a lot of problems with it. You wont be resolving our problems but you will be trading them. I agree that basic healthcare, some sick visits, vaccinations, well-child visits and physical exams should be covered.....

Anyways, its an interesting subject but off-topic. I think the government should help but I dont think making the government responsible for healthcare will do any good whatsoever.....look at how good they are at managing in general, would you really want them in charge of your health?
 

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But, Americans, just look north to Canada; a bit of the Old World-- with their liberal values-- in the New World.

Sure, we're 1/10 the size of the USA, but we have rights and freedoms that most Americans will never see. Legalised pot for medical use (the government grows it in a hothouse in Manitoba); same-sex marriage in every province and territory; and absolutely no hang-ups about nudity, sexuality and mature themes. Hell, we can even drink as young as 18! Yes, we can vote AND drink, let alone drive, and not need to worry if a 'blow job' is against the law... not since 1969, at least. Lest we forget our universal health care.

Come on politicians in America, get with it! Your citizens deserve it.

Show off :smile: .