US AIDS cases may be higher than CDC predicted

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  1. marleyisalegend

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    CDC understated US AIDS rates;

    Remember this next time you just HAVE to sleep with that cute guy/girl at the bar. If you're gonna do it, use protection. KNOWING your partner as opposed to fucking some stranger is a pretty good safety measure to. Whether you've been dating for 2 weeks or married to the same person for 10 years, GET TESTED. A ring DOES NOT mean they won't cheat, and if you're not using condoms, SAVE YOUR LIFE BY KNOWING YOU/YOUR PARTNERS' STATUS.

    Be honest with yourself, of all the people you've slept with, how many of them did you bother checking their status? ALL IT TAKES IS ONE PERSON/ONE SEX ACT TO CONTRACT THE DISEASE.

    Doesn't surprise me. To be blunt, we have too many whores in the gay community that think a 5 minute nut is worth risking your life. If I had $1 for every stranger that offered my unprotected sex, I could BUY a small Island. We HAVE to educate ourselves, here are some of the STUPIDEST myths I've heard about contracting this disease:

    -You can't get it your first time having sex. Uhh, yes you can.

    -Bareback sex is safe for the top. Uhh, no it isn't.

    -Everybody living with AIDS is a drug addict or whore. NOPE. There are shelters FULL Of men/women who contracted the disease from someone they trusted and were married to for years.

    -Medication makes the disease go away. NOPE. I've seen someone on the meds. They ONLY keep your T-Cell counts from dropping (for awhile). They often come with crippling nausea, trouble sleeping, tiredness, irritability, mood swings, loss of appetite, the list goes on.

    EDUCATE YOURSELVES AND BE SAFE. IT ONLY TAKES ONE TIME.

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    Just sift through some ManHunt profiles. Note how many members don't even bother to check the box: "Safe Sex Only"...not that we should take them at face value if they did.

    I once had a guy, after I casually mentioned condoms to test him, reply (verbatim):

    "You're OK if you're clean".

    Also note how many members are even arrogant about barebacking:

    "BB only. Others fuck off".

    The behavior is borderline criminal.
     
  3. B_VinylBoy

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    I actually wouldn't be surprised if the number was much higher. Because the disease doesn't have any initial symptoms when some first gets the virus, it's very possible that many people are infected and don't even know it. Plus, add in the fear of knowing the truth about your status. I try to be as clean as possible, but even I freak out a little when I go for my tests because you never know. But I know many people just don't get tested because they're so afraid of the result. Being HIV+ is not a death sentence anymore like it was in the 80s, but it's still a very touchy subject for many out there.

    Even though most gay men are pretty aware of the disease, it doesn't stop several of them from engaging in very risky activity. I still don't understand why some would engage in full, anal barebacking knowing full well of the risks, all because they think it feels better. But I digress...
     
  4. marleyisalegend

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    What REALLY weirds me out is the AIDS chasers. People purposefully TRY to get infected by seeking sex with infected individuals. Some do it because having the disease is their only shot at local assistance/aide (financial aide, shelter), some are convinced that they're gonna get it anyway so they seek it "to end the worrying about catching it".

    Vinyl boy, I agree that it's probably considerably higher if not MUCH higher than what they estimate, clearly they dont' realize how many teens are having unprotected sex, and not getting tested until their 20's, 30's, or NEVER.
     
  5. EagleCowboy

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    Why does this not surprise me??

    Could it be that the CDC used my little brother's friends and my family as guinea pigs??
    2 years ago he contracted a deadly flesh-eating bacteria through a small cut on his finger. 4 hours later he had to be carried to the ER. Fortunately for him they flew him to Houston and was put in sealed isolation ICU. He came way too close to dying. Even though we had to go through extreme procedures to protect ourselves JUST to visit him, it wasn't nearly enough. That stuff is *AMAZINGLY* contagious. Fortunately, the staff and everyone visiting my bro never caught the stuff.

    What we didn't know until much later and we only found out by complete accident, is that the CDC was trying to find out just how contagious it was by letting us go about our daily lives and risk infecting anyone around us even if we never contracted the disease.

    It was only after he made a full recovery that the CDC determined that in order to contract the disease, (and they studied his case closely) you have to have a unique biochemistry conducive to it's survival. Fortunately, no one I've been around has contracted it, or they might have died within a month.

    Unless something major changes at the CDC, I will never trust the "information" coming out of that place.
     
  6. Industrialsize

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    How about a little education for yourself....How exactly do you "check" someone's status before you have sex with them???Give them a blood test? Ask them? because no one would ever lie..My favorite are the Manhunt Profiles that say,"I'm neg UB2" they are deluding themselves...my point is you should proceed as if every sexual partner is positive...EVERY ONE......unless you are in a committed, monogamous relationship and are both negative...

    As to the risk for the TOP during bareback anal sex, you are absolutely right.....There is risk.........it is exactly 0.05% of every 10,000 people will contract HIV from being the TOP during bareback sex....
     
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    Quit being so fucking smart-ass and literal. If someone has papers indicating they've been tested, it's a sign that they atleast care enough to get tested. It isn't 100 proof, but it's worthy of consideration.

    Are you really this uneducated? When you get tested, you get your results printed out. My idea didn't sound so stupid until you twisted it. Good job dumbing me down while I'm trying to discuss HIV.

    I agree 100%, but how do you know if your partner is negative if you're not checking their status? You denounced checking the status as trivial earlier. You should think before you fucking post. So we should assume everyone is positive til we marry them, then blindly put ourselves in harm's way? I hope nobody is reading the drivel you're posting here and taking it to heart.

    You can predict the future? WOW. And are you simply writing off that .05%? That .05% is somebody's dad or brother or uncle. Let's not exclude them from the discussion. And pull your head out of your ass, I don't think you realize what you're typing here.
     
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    I wasn't trying to be a smart ass(liberal I don't get).....so a prospective sex partner gives you a piece of Paper saying he was negative on the day he was tested....Means Nothing...A FALSE sense of security....Hiv can take weeks to appear in the blood.....so his negative may have occurred during that window........The Person with proof of being negative may have had sex since he was tested and contracted HIV.......what I'm trying to say, just because someone tells you they are negative and "proves" it with a blood test it may not be true.....best to proceed as if every sexual partner has HIV.....as to the risk of the TOP during penetrative anal sex.....I was giving the actual risk factor, people are free to determine for themselves what risk is worth taking(for me the risk is too great)
     
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    Okay, then what's the point of getting tested at all then if you null and void it? Like I said, it isn't 100 proof, but it's a start. You sound like you'd be happier living in a bubble, then you won't have to deal with us dirty humans.

    I'm well aware, I'm just trying to promote testing, and the concept of being aware of other people's status, that's why I didn't say "jump in the bed after you see their results", I said "make sure you're checking". You flipflopped cuz u denounce checking, yet insist that knowing your spouse's status gives you the greenlight for unsafe sex. Maybe your spouse contracted the disease since being tested. You're saying a ring erases all responsibility and risk? How terribly misleading.

    For what purpose? I could give the percentage of people who drive drunk and don't kill someone, but wouldn't that sound like advocating drunk driving? "The chances are slim", what message does that send?
     
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    I dont understand what you mean..of course everyone should get tested to know their status.....I don;'t live in a bubble...lol.....I'm just cautious about my health and treat every new sexual partner as if they have HIV, regardless of what they tell me....as far as couples, please note i said committed, MONOGAMOUS couples who both test negative.....any doubts about the monogamy of your partner should be discussed with him

    I've just weary of hearing my younger gay brothers, who didn't live through the worst of the AIDS crisis in the 80's, be so non-chalant about sex and protection.....
     
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    At the risk of being flamed, it seems that both Marley and Industrial (if I may use an abbreviated tag) are saying basically the same thing, just from different directions.

    Basically, testing is critical, even a negative test result in print can be misleading since that person may have contracted an HIV virus after the test or the results could have been from someone elses test (horrible thing to do but...), etc., etc.

    This is too serious an issue to be bogged down in semantics, personal experience or preferences. This not a gay-only crisis. It affects us all.
     
  12. marleyisalegend

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    That's the smartest thing I've heard anyone say THIS YEAR.

    I should've specified. I didn't mean negative test results are a green light for unprotected sex, I meant that asking for them should put a reminder in your head that you're at risk. It opens the door for dialogue, and will hopefully ease any intentions of blindly hoping into bed, even if it's a "committed partner". LOTS of people with AIDS got it in a "committed" marriage.

    Well it's not that cut-and-dry. The same people that will lie about test results will lie about infidelity.

    AMEN. It pains me to say gay men praise bareback porn and insist that "natural sex" is more important than lifelong health. Too many gay men have their head stuck in the sand and their asses in the air for any passerby to enjoy. I seriously can't count the offers I've had for unprotected sex with strangers. It's a conundrum because there are so few pleasures in the "gay lifestyle" so it's not surprising that they indulge in promiscuity and unsafe practices, it's one of the few times many of us get to smie, but that shouldn't come at the expense of safety.
     
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    This is absolutely true!
    Having worked with HIV+ gay men and minority women, one of the largest underreported groups of HIV+ diagnoses, and seeing the impact on the community and families, it is clear that HIV does indeed affect every person.
     
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    This is true, and my intention wasn't to suggest that cases outside the gay community are less important, but there are groups that disproportionately have more cases.
     
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    One of the saddest things about this is the rise in the number of married couples contracting the disease. I remember a show on ABC where the wives were getting it because the husbands were swinging. Anybody not practicing monogamy that has unprotected sex, you're playing Russian Roulette.
     
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    That's what I was trying to say earlier, the guard can NOT come down just because someone puts a ring on your finger. I wish they'd stop outlawing sagging pants and START making infidelity in a marriage illegal. Arguably the latter causes more problems, the worst of which is an unsuspecting wife (or husband cuz women cheat too) contracting a terminal disease from someone they trust.
     
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    Infidelity in marriage is grounds for divorce. In some states, they cheat on you, you get a bigger share. Cheat on me baby but let me know before I sleep with you again. Bring photos too. So glad I didn't sign a prenup.
     
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    That's not enough for me. Marriage is a contract, if sagging your pants merits a $25 fine, and marijuana possession (which often hurts NO ONE) merits jail time, why doesn't infidelity warrant anything other than divorce? Moral issues aside, this puts people's lives at risk. Most of the married couples I know don't use condoms, especially if they're trying to conceive. Mothers passing HIV to their child isn't terrifically common, but it does happen.

    Glad to hear that. A friend of mine recently found out that his wife of 12 years (they have a kid) has been emailing an ex who was incarcerated until recently and has been planning on leaving him. In the midst of his anger, I reminded him to go get tested cuz the emails suggest she's been having an affair with the ex since he was released. I hope for her and my friend's sake, the guy didn't catch something behind bars. Theoretically speaking, it's possible that BOTH of them could have contracted the disease.
     
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    It used to be a crime to cheat but that would involve moral laws which peeps oppose.
     
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    It's really heartbreaking to hear some of the stories about people that were married for 10, 15 years and then gradually one or both partner's health starts fading. I think married couples need to get tested just as muh as single people, AIDS does NOT discriminate.
     
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