US Government executes US citizen with no trial!!!

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Please don't tell me that we have to keep on arguing about whether Iraq was in anyway connected to 9/11.
I know the two were not connected, to me terrorists and self procalimed dictators use the same tactics so I believe they deserve the same treatment. They both like to instill terror in the hearts of sane people. Sadams sons would have whole families assasinated just on a drunken whim. The men in that family were drunk on power. That alone wasn't enough reason in invade, it took oil to get involved in that war. Apparently the U.S. doesn't care much about other humans rights outside the protected boundaries of america, but mess with their pockets and walla!!
 
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Anwar al-Aulaqi? Yeah, it seems odd, but he moved overseas and joined forces fighting against the USA which, if I'm not mistaken, constitutes treason. I'm rather certain the Constitution is clear on the subject of treason, for which the sentence is death.
 

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Anwar al-Aulaqi? Yeah, it seems odd, but he moved overseas and joined forces fighting against the USA which, if I'm not mistaken, constitutes treason. I'm rather certain the Constitution is clear on the subject of treason, for which the sentence is death.

This is true. However even those charged with treason are afforded the right to a trial before being executed. Not that I'm criticizing the killing in this case. As I have already said I don't think this situation offends the Constitution. In this case al-Aulaqi was an imminent danger to the USA and the US was in its right to kill him when the opportunity presented itself rather than make what might have been a futile effort to catch him alive.
 

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I consider myself a consummate and hopeless liberal- as do most people who know me and I have no problem with this attack. Though he was an American citizen this guy was actively plotting attacks on the USA while engaged in an ongoing military action. Had this occurred on American soil I would consider his killing differently and would certainly advocate that he be arrested and afforded his due process rights. But hiding in a foreign nation while acting as an architect of the war against the US? I think this falls into the grey area and ultimately that it would pass Constitutional muster. As a learned justice one said, the Constitution is not a suicide pact.

Unbelievable. This isnt a matter of people's personal opinions. Its a matter of the law. The US government just executed an American citizen without due process. That is a constitutional crime.

How can you, as a liberal, say that it is okay for the government to execute a US citizen without a trial and at the same time argue that foreign enemy combatants should be mirandized on foreign soil, and then brought to the US to stand trial in a US court.

By the Left's silence on this issue, they have completely undercut every argument they have ever made about Gitmo.

This is so hyprocritical, its alarming. people with your degree of irrationality an lunacy should not even be issued a drivers license, nonetheless given the right to vote.
 

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Anwar al-Aulaqi? Yeah, it seems odd, but he moved overseas and joined forces fighting against the USA which, if I'm not mistaken, constitutes treason. I'm rather certain the Constitution is clear on the subject of treason, for which the sentence is death.

Treason has to be determined by a court of law!!!!!!! the U.S. DOD cannot be the judge, jury and executioner of its citizens. What the fuck is wrong with you guys?????!!!!!!!!!!!

Had this happened on Bush's watch, you guys would be marching in the streets. You all make me fucking sick!
 

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Unbelievable. This isnt a matter of people's personal opinions. Its a matter of the law. The US government just executed an American citizen without due process. That is a constitutional crime.

How can you, as a liberal, say that it is okay for the government to execute a US citizen without a trial and at the same time argue that foreign enemy combatants should be mirandized on foreign soil, and then brought to the US to stand trial in a US court.

By the Left's silence on this issue, they have completely undercut every argument they have ever made about Gitmo.

This is so hyprocritical, its alarming. people with your degree of irrationality an lunacy should not even be issued a drivers license, nonetheless given the right to vote.

Don't put words in my mouth. I said nothing about trying foreign enemy combatants or Gitmo. And I do know a thing or two about Constitutional law so don't get all high and mighty with me. I get it, you're an abject Obama hater and can't stand the fact that he and notI Bush got Bin Laden and al-Aulaqi. So to assuage your disappointment you ascribe your hypocrisy onto me and Liberals in general. Deal with your torment but don't presume to know what I think.
 

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Treason has to be determined by a court of law!!!!!!! the U.S. DOD cannot be the judge, jury and executioner of its citizens. What the fuck is wrong with you guys?????!!!!!!!!!!!

Had this happened on Bush's watch, you guys would be marching in the streets. You all make me fucking sick!

If what you claim is true, then please explain the Japanese American citizens and German American citizens who were snuffed out by the USA military while not on USA soil for serving as spies working for the Axis Powers during WWII. WE are technically involved in a war against Al Qaeda (or however you want to spell it). The action of a US citizen -- any US citizen -- especially one openly working for the enemy to destable the safety/security of the USA would be treated the same. Just a different time and a different war. I don't like it anymore than anyone else. But the military has the power to "try" a US citizen on foreign soil without running to the President or Supreme Court for permission.

It appears no one commenting on this site has any experience, or has forgotten the rules of engagement, serving in the armed forces.

Yeah, it's too bad Bush W. was a major fuck up. He and Darth Cheney would have done the same -- possibly worse. But it's done. Get over it. The USA has done so much worse in Central and South America.
 

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For those of you who may have forgotten, this is the how the news appeared every night until the end of that "other" useless war. Trial? The South Vietnamese under the direction of the USA didn't need no stinkin' trials. And they didn't bother showing any badges, either.

Although the person snuffed in the attached video wasn't a US citizen. It was dinner as usual around 5:30 PM when dads came home to their loving 'Merichun families.

Enjoy.

Eddie Adams Talk About The Saigon Execution Photo - YouTube

P.S. Tướng Nguyễn Ngọc Loan (RIP) was reported to have killed a combination of 38 South Vietnamese citiizens and US soldiers. However, no "legitimate" proof was ever produced.
Now, go eat your Hamburger Helper and tinned vegetables for dinner, or the Swanson Frozen dinner mommy is warming up. Hey, maybe some of you more lucky folks will have Rice-a-Roni tonight!
 

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For those of you who may have forgotten, this is the how the news appeared every night until the end of that "other" useless war. Trial? The South Vietnamese under the direction of the USA didn't need no stinkin' trials. And they didn't bother showing any badges, either.

Although the person snuffed in the attached video wasn't a US citizen. It was dinner as usual around 5:30 PM when dads came home to their loving 'Merichun families.

Enjoy.

Eddie Adams Talk About The Saigon Execution Photo - YouTube

P.S. Tướng Nguyễn Ngọc Loan (RIP) was reported to have killed a combination of 38 South Vietnamese citiizens and US soldiers. However, no "legitimate" proof was ever produced.
Now, go eat your Hamburger Helper and tinned vegetables for dinner, or the Swanson Frozen dinner mommy is warming up. Hey, maybe some of you more lucky folks will have Rice-a-Roni tonight!

So let me get this right. Your liberal heart bleeds for the vietcong who got his brains blown out for allegedly killing 38 US and south vietnamese soldiers, but you have no problem with the US executing a US citizen without a trial???
 

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So let me get this right. Your liberal heart bleeds for the vietcong who got his brains blown out for allegedly killing 38 US and south vietnamese soldiers, but you have no problem with the US executing a US citizen without a trial???

Nope, my heart bleeds for both. Neither one of them got a trial and they were both homo sapiens. It's government sponsored lynching, whether it's wartime or not in my bleeding heart opinion.

Are you AT ALL bothered by the example MLB cited?
 

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It is interesting that there is no outcry about this execution. If Bush or any republican had done this, they would have called for impeachment. Obama does it and not a peep. hmmmmmmmmmmmm
 

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It is interesting that there is no outcry about this execution. If Bush or any republican had done this, they would have called for impeachment. Obama does it and not a peep. hmmmmmmmmmmmm

So where is all the outrage in the conservative media? And why aren't members of the Republican-held House calling for impeachment?
 

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because no one in congress acts unless there is considerable outrage from the press.

Also, all I did was point out a fact and I seem to have been attacked and you are asking me why. How the fuck do I know why? I am not inside of their heads.
 

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because no one in congress acts unless there is considerable outrage from the press.

Also, all I did was point out a fact and I seem to have been attacked and you are asking me why. How the fuck do I know why? I am not inside of their heads.

You strike me as being rather clueless in general. :smile:
 

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I think anyone who opposes the execution of Al-Awlaki should tell us what the alternative was. The man was actively engaged in a campaign of terrorism directed at America, there was nothing else to do but take take him out. There is no US police force in Yemen to enforce an arrest warrant for him, and no Yemeni government that was either willing or even capable of extraditing him ...
 

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I think anyone who opposes the execution of Al-Awlaki should tell us what the alternative was. The man was actively engaged in a campaign of terrorism directed at America, there was nothing else to do but take take him out. There is no US police force in Yemen to enforce an arrest warrant for him, and no Yemeni government that was either willing or even capable of extraditing him ...

Yep. I don't think anyone, left or right, is in favor of summary judgments on US citizens. But Al-Awlaki had gone out of his way to set himself up as an enemy combatant, and came under rules of engagement.
 

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because no one in congress acts unless there is considerable outrage from the press.

Also, all I did was point out a fact and I seem to have been attacked and you are asking me why. How the fuck do I know why? I am not inside of their heads.

If you felt as though I was "attack[ing]" you earlier, then perhaps this isn't the right place for you. Overly sensitive people tend to feel butt-hurt around here :rolleyes:

Your theory regarding a collusion between the media and Congress is a, well, speculative eccentricity for sure.