USA Homeland Security Card

[Freddie53]

Yes, I can see it now. The "Madame Zora", a small fishing boat loaded with refugees from the LPSG, sail from Maimi towards southern parts unknown. Seeking to find a new life away from National Security Cards that reveal intimate urinary and bowel habits of all holders, the crew and passengers endure the tight hot, fleshpile conditions that abound on every deck.

The small band of courageous people, gay, striaght, bi, atheisst, Christian, Budhhist and all, fight the waves as they under the guidance of Capt. Jana seek a better life in the southern hemisphere.

There is Freddie who gives comfort to the young. Dr. Rock who explains why this is so necessary to those who are weak hearted. And there is Kink who still remembers some of the horors of the old country where tolerence for all was denied.

Only with internet connections are the couragous group able to seek and find the land of opportunity where all men are created equal and there is freedom an justice for all without security cards, of course.

The group handles the boat. They "enjoy" the fleshpile conditions. The hear Capt. Jana hollering more, more. (Just too much fleshpile in one hour. Gets to her.)

Oh the joys of sailing on the "Madame Zora" to parts south unknown without Security Cards.

*Capt. Jana is pondering so many men in such a small space. This voyage may turn out great after all.* :evilgrin:

 

[Lex]

Since most Americans are against the uniform ID--they gov't is trying to give Congress the power to regulate Driver's Licenses, which would, in effect become the same thing. They argue that most of the info they want to track is ALREADY tracked--plus companies know your whereabouts already due to creditcard/ATM transactions, GPS phones, and SS#.

This would make getting a DL a lot harder and transfering from one state DL to another more time consuming--yes, longer lines at the DMV.They are also thinking of having a DL that is JUST for driving for immigrants and workers with green cards, but would not be ok to use as ID at an airport, etc. Did you know that in seven states, you don't have to prove citizenship to have one?

 

[Freddie53]

Thanks to all who have posted. I want to thank Jana for her first post. She gave information I did not know.

I am afraid that in the future rights wll everyone will be compromised by this card and the cards that succeed it.

Folks we are talking about having the police, the bank, or whomever has access to the deposity of information ot access everything known about you in seconds. HOw many girl/boyfriends youi have had nd names.. Your favorite colors. Where you eat out. Your complete and in detail financial records. Guys they will know you dick size and gals they will know your bra size. They will be NO secrets hidden. And if you start to get out of line, blackmail in some form will be offered.

It is coming unless we at citizens do something first.

 

[jay_too]

I am certain the credit reporting companies, mortgage companies, health insurance companies, credit card companies, etc. have more information about me than I would want anyone to have. Is it treated confidentally? I don't think so. Have they pulled it all together? A few have, and undoubtedly, others are trying.

It is my understanding that the FBI and intelligence agencies have the right under the Patriot Act to use commercial databases to identify interesting behavior. Thus, I do not see what the uproar is about a National ID Card.

If it might speed my way through an airport or make the country 10% safer, I can live with one....after all, they probably know things about me that go beyond the info on an ID card.

Personally, I do not think that companies should create databases and share information among themselves on the activities, habits, spending patterns of Americans. It is ironic that it is capitalism [niche marketing] and NOT socialism that is bringing us the world of George Orwell's 1984.

jay

 

[Freddie53]

Originally posted by jay_too@May 9 2005, 10:51 PM
I am certain the credit reporting companies, mortgage companies, health insurance companies, credit card companies, etc. have more information about me than I would want anyone to have. Is it treated confidentally? I don't think so. Have they pulled it all together? A few have, and undoubtedly, others are trying.

It is my understanding that the FBI and intelligence agencies have the right under the Patriot Act to use commercial databases to identify interesting behavior. Thus, I do not see what the uproar is about a National ID Card.

If it might speed my way through an airport or make the country 10% safer, I can live with one....after all, they probably know things about me that go beyond the info on an ID card.

Personally, I do not think that companies should create databases and share information among themselves on the activities, habits, spending patterns of Americans. It is ironic that it is capitalism [niche marketing] and NOT socialism that is bringing us the world of George Orwell's 1984.

jay

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Jay,

I agree wholeheartedly with your last paragraph. But if something gets into your file on purpose or accidentally, not only will you not get onto the plane you will be detained without a court date for as long as the government wishes to do so. Your constitutional rights will basically be denied on the basis that you might be a terrorist.

I know of a blond, blue eyed Protestant girl who got something in the computer and she had a time getting the "terrorist" mark off her record. She did nothing, aboslulely nothing wrong. And it was cleared up.

The credit card companies generally can be accurate. The government's record on being accurate is way off. I don't want to trust incompetent government officials doing this.

And if you lose your card, to jail you shall go until you are cleared.

The foundations at Montecello are shaking right now. Thomas Jefferson is rolling over so fast in his grave that the whole mountain is shaking.

If the founders of our nation were alive today, I suspect they would be leading a revolution against tyranny by the government.

Only totalitarian governments have mandatory security cards.

Remember Rome was a Republic once and then..... Caeser and the Emporers came along. The Republic was then dead. Don't think it can't happen here in America. It is on a the road right now.

 

[major_7]

Freddie53, is there any room on the boat for a nubie? I'm good at following directions....

The thought of a National ID card is just stupid. Just like the anti-gun laws. Does a terrorist really need an ID card? Is a murderer really going to get a gun permit? Is all this really more about control of US or terrorism?

 

[Freddie53]

Originally posted by major_7@May 10 2005, 09:53 AM
Freddie53, is there any room on the boat for a nubie? I'm good at following directions....

The thought of a National ID card is just stupid. Just like the anti-gun laws. Does a terrorist really need an ID card? Is a murderer really going to get a gun permit? Is all this really more about control of US or terrorism?

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Yes, there is room in the boat.The flesh piles are getting concentrated, but fun is being had by all. Jana will direct you to your first flesh pile.

 

[major_7]

Yes, there is room in the boat.The flesh piles are getting concentrated, but fun is being had by all. Jana will direct you to your first flesh pile.

I quiver with anticipation

 

[jonb]

Originally posted by major_7@May 10 2005, 06:53 AM
The thought of a National ID card is just stupid. Just like the anti-gun laws. Does a terrorist really need an ID card? Is a murderer really going to get a gun permit? Is all this really more about control of US or terrorism?

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Actually, an Al Qaida manual found in Afghanistan said that American reluctance to outlaw any sort of weapon meant they could get all kinds of weapons in the States.

 

[Dr Rock]

Originally posted by jonb+May 10 2005, 05:04 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(jonb &#064; May 10 2005, 05:04 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-major_7@May 10 2005, 06:53 AM
The thought of a National ID card is just stupid. Just like the anti-gun laws. Does a terrorist really need an ID card? Is a murderer really going to get a gun permit? Is all this really more about control of US or terrorism?

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Actually, an Al Qaida manual found in Afghanistan said that American reluctance to outlaw any sort of weapon meant they could get all kinds of weapons in the States.

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[/b][/quote]
you can get all kinds of weapons in all kinds of places. the point is that since terrorists are not gonna get weapons LEGALLY anyway, it hardly makes any difference how or where they get them.

 

[islandman]

Hi everybody ~newbie here~

The National ID card – for all Americans
Personally I wouldn’t want one, but… Living on a small and remote, tropical island in the middle of the S. Pacific which is utilized as a military base I have to admit that I have to carry two ID cards. Go figure, the gawddamngoverment can’t figure out how to reduce waste, fraud, and abuse.

One badge is required to shop at the store when I buy cigarettes and alcohol, flying to another island for work purposes, or flying off this rock on holidays.
The other badge contains more information that I care to admit. Digital fingerprints, S.S. number, DOB, address, phone number, PPK keys (public-private encryption keys) and digital signature. Needed for logging into computers…… Ok… right ………

Freddie53 Posted May 7 2005, 02:41 PM
Yes, I can see it now. The "Madame Zora", a small fishing boat loaded with refugees from the LPSG, sail from Maimi towards southern parts unknown

I know a beautiful place, situated 7 º off of the equator. Pearly white sandy beaches. Tranquil blue waters. Excellent fishing. Coconut trees swaying in the breeze.
** Sheepishly – lifts hand ** I am an avid sailor and seaman.

Just need to figure a way to move bigbrother out.

 

[13788]

carolinacurious: I agree that what private companies can already do is fairly similar and frightening. That doesn&#39;t mean that I have to like it or that I need to go out of my way to make it easier for anyone else.

Look at the whole Social Security Number business/fiasco; the goverment says seven ways to Sunday that your Social Security Number is not to be used for ANY other purpose than for things that directly deal with the Social Security Administration, but just try to get virtually anything important done in this country without it&#33;

It&#39;s becoming commonplace now for people to scan the magnetic strip on my driver&#39;s liscense when I have to present it for ID to get into a club or to buy beer, I have definitely caused a scene or two over it but what are you going to do after they&#39;ve already swiped it?

I almost got arrested when I refused to give a thumbprint when trying to cash a check, that was a "fun" one; I was being perfectly polite but I kept explaining that I had complied with all the rules on the check AND all the rules posted on the walls of the bank and that if they didn&#39;t have the money to cash my check they should just say so.(Oh yeah, attempting to cause a "run" on a bank, you probably don&#39;t want to follow in my footsteps on this one either&#33 I demanded to see where I was legally required to submit to be fingerprinted and the bank manager could only come up with internal bank documents (that disgreed with their posted regulations). At one point I was as cool as a cucumber with the bank manager SCREAMING at me in the middle of his bank. I&#39;m ashamed to admit that I did cave when the police pulled into the lot.

(I don&#39;t reccommend trying this one yourself, the bank WAS in the wrong in that they did not have their regulations clearly posted and that they were not able to provide paperwork proving the regulations; however, I looked it up when I got home and they&#39;re actually using archiac laws from back before most people were literate to slide this one through, and getting away with it.

It was also VERY clear just whose side the police were on when they showed up, there would have been no reasoning with them.)

ANYWAY, it&#39;s clear to me that whatever info is required on this new card will be immediately required and utilized by business, regardless of what the government says and then of course the government will be privy to the new data generated by Megacorp USA because they were more able to track our buying habits/medical needs/travel with our new card.

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Another take on what this is REALLY all about:

http://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/gallagher213.html

When the FUCK are people going to get upset about the Saudi&#39;s and our President&#39;s chummy relationship with them?

 

[Freddie53]

Originally posted by carolinacurious@May 11 2005, 07:27 AM

Another take on what this is REALLY all about:

http://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/gallagher213.html

When the FUCK are people going to get upset about the Saudi&#39;s and out President&#39;s chummy relationship with them?

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Every American needs to read this article. It is frightning what is going on.

Carolina,
Thanks for finding this article and sharing it with us.

 

[madame_zora]

Yes indeed, thank you CarolinaCurious, it&#39;s about time the haze of non-reality was lifted. I believe historians will not miss as much as the current population does, time will tell.

I really cannot believe how this fact can be overlooked when it is so well documented, but never underestimate the power of ignorance and denial.

 

[jonb]

Originally posted by carolinacurious@May 11 2005, 04:27 AM
When the FUCK are people going to get upset about the Saudi&#39;s and out President&#39;s chummy relationship with them?

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Around 2124.

 

[KinkGuy]

That soon? Or is that when the Saudi oil reserves will be depleted?

 

[jonb]

Actually, that would probably be 2025.

 

[wispandex_bulge]

Apparently the ID card bill was just passed by the senate...and now it awaits the Presidents seal of approval.

Weak as water...WEEEAK as water&#33; -Mrs. Slocombe

 

[13788]

carolinacurious: I&#39;m glad to see that the link didn&#39;t get lost in my rant as I figured it would. I don&#39;t know if that is "really" what it&#39;s all about but the situation with the Saudi&#39;s defies the imagination.

Remember TIA? any of this sound familiar?

http://www.epic.org/privacy/profiling/tia/

and people do love pretty pictures: http://www.thememoryhole.org/policestate/iao-logo.htm

 

[Freddie53]

Originally posted by carolinacurious@May 12 2005, 07:24 AM
I&#39;m glad to see that the link didn&#39;t get lost in my rant as I figured it would. I don&#39;t know if that is "really" what it&#39;s all about but the situation with the Saudi&#39;s defies the imagination.

Remember TIA? any of this sound familiar?

http://www.epic.org/privacy/profiling/tia/

and people do love pretty pictures: http://www.thememoryhole.org/policestate/iao-logo.htm

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This is getting scary. To protect ourselves from terrorism we are destroying who we once were. It is like using a shotgun to cure cancer. There is no question that using a shotgun will in minutes kill every cancer cell in the body of even the most advanced stages of cancer. Unfortuantely, we lose the patient in the process. I am afraid we are going to lose the patient here. The patient being the American Republic and what it stands for or was supposed to stand for. Freedoms trampled, citizens detained indefinately, and a whole spying on it&#39;s own citizen mentality.

Don&#39;t like where it looks we are headed.