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China has been trying to lay claim to the vast majority of the South China Sea (so name by Europeans) for a number of years. Base on geography and fair play, their claims are patently ridiculous. Check out this map showing the various claims asserted by the nations bordering the Sea. File:South China Sea claims.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Only China's claim is unreasonable. The other nations draw their claim lines at some normal or reasonable distance from their own shores. China claims basically the whole thing.

The Chinese government has been insisting all these conflicting claims should be settled bilaterally between China and the other countries. In other words, they negoiate with Vietnam and settle the claim, then with the Philippines and settle that one and so on. This gives them the ability, due to their size and military and economic power to dictate terms to China's advantage.

Beijing's nose is out of joint because this week Obama raised the issue while all parties were sitting around the table and one by one the leaders of the various nations stood up and said they agreed with the Americans that is would be more fair and more sensible to negotiate it as a group rather than one on one.

Whats thats like the usa claim to Hawaii or Guam ?
 

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POI- Chrina never traded Opium, the opium wars were us trying to resist the west selling it in China.

US will shift focus from Middle East to Asia Pacific, Barack Obama declares - Telegraph

China warns Barack Obama over South China Sea 'interference' - Telegraph

Lets just take the South China Sea, Yes its disputed by Asian countries, but one thing is for sure , it doesnt belong to the USA. The oil that lies there(if any) isnt USA oil.
The usa has no right to get involved, its none of the USA's business.
Taiwan has no claim either, as modern Taiwan has only existed since the time General Chiang Kai-shek was finally defeated and ran there, with much of China's wealth.

Its called the south China sea, not the south American sea. We dont need the USA's Navy there any more than ours is needed in the Gulf of Mexico, or the Carrabbian.

Its our region we can sort it out without needing a US military presence.

As long as taiwan wants to be independent china has to accept it!
As long as taiwan chuse the usa as their partner and protector china has to accept it...

How i read your post its YOU that wants a chinese / american war... Cause you dont like it that america supports every country to be independent from china...

Thats your problem :cool:
 

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But, then where did the global Chinese diaspora come from if people weren't moving goods on trade routes between China and other places. Not sure I buy that it was isolated.

Ever imagen that people from outside of china traded these goods?

It was a european that was first in china... Not a chinese that was in europe :wink:

As the europeans made it by sea to china they had to force china to start tradeing...

All chinese power was mostly used to keep the empire together...
And you cant realy talk about ONE china in history... Most of the time it was splited
 
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I think you have alot to learn about Chinese culture. Aslo we are not the one moving troops to say Cuba are we ?

We don't move troops to Cuba unless your Intel source there in Beijing dates back to 1962. The only thing sent to Cuba is terrorist shits we can't figure out how to process yet into Guantanamo, which rightfully so part of Cuba, but I believe it is leased kind of like how Hong Kong was.

Anyway your sole premise to anything you say about the US is living there at one point for a short stint and what you read.

In summary I believe you are full of shit.
 

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We don't move troops to Cuba unless your Intel source there in Beijing dates back to 1962. The only thing sent to Cuba is terrorist shits we can't figure out how to process yet into Guantanamo, which rightfully so part of Cuba, but I believe it is leased kind of like how Hong Kong was.

Anyway your sole premise to anything you say about the US is living there at one point for a short stint and what you read.

In summary I believe you are full of shit.


sole = 1

Leaving your grammatical error asde, Which of these doesn't count, having lived there for 2 years or reading your newpapers , history books etc ?

How do you suggest foreigners learn about the USA, by not living there and not reading about it ?
 

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How do you suggest foreigners learn about the USA, by not living there and not reading about it ?

Americans tend to be very sensitive about criticism of their country from outsiders because they really want to believe the propaganda they've heard their entire lives that "it's the BEST country on Earth".

They don't want to acknowledge (or they don't even realise) they have given away so many of their freedoms through the Patriot Act. Between the "fight against terrorism" and corporate intrustion in their lives, privacy and true personal freedom is a thing of the past. Still a fine country, by all accounts, but it has problems like any other (especially including the PRC). It's good but not "the best". Every year, it slips a little down the democracy index. Plus, it's really hypocritical about human and social rights. There are really no social safety nets, and it executes people as fast as China.

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Try to keep up guys, we have freed them from Poverty, Theocracy and Mongolia has been independent since around 1920.

But hasn't the central government promoted (or required) Han Chinese to move into the Autonomous regions? (Tibet, Xingjiang, Nei Mongolia, etc.) in order to dilute the indiginous people? Sinofication therefore solves the issues of separatism by creating of cultural tsumani to wash over these areas. It's really no different though from what has historically occured in many large countries such as the US, Canada, Australia, Russia, Brazil, etc.
 

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But hasn't the central government promoted (or required) Han Chinese to move into the Autonomous regions? (Tibet, Xingjiang, Nei Mongolia, etc.) in order to dilute the indiginous people? Sinofication therefore solves the issues of separatism by creating of cultural tsumani to wash over these areas. It's really no different though from what has historically occured in many large countries such as the US, Canada, Australia, Russia, Brazil, etc.


I'm not aware of any existing policy that requires Han chinese to move anywhere within china.

If anything the "Hukuo" system in reality does not promote or encourage the migration of any nationality group within China, quite the opposite really.
 
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Two years gets you a green card BFD. Living in the states doesn't make you an expert on the US. I have spent several years studying Asia in general and China is just a part of Asia, unfortunately China believes it is Asia's policeman. But no I am not a China expert, anymore than you are a US expert.

Yes, you are correct I made a grammatical error that you did catch but then misspelled "aside" and "newspapers" if you really want to make mountains out of mole hills.

Please sight your sources for the facts as you see them and I will be happy to entertain your "gone native" anti-American propaganda position.


In your spare time if these links are not blocked where you live then by all means take a peak so you can see how the rest of the world views China (PRC).


Everyone outside and inside the US is aware of when the US government is full of shit and we challenge it accordingly, but there is a big difference between pepper spray and flex cuff, as opposed to tanks in Tienanmen Square.


China's Growing Military Muscle: A Looming Threat? : NPR


China deemed biggest threat to U.S. - Washington Times


Currency Manipulation is NOT the Biggest Chinese Threat - Forbes


MissileThreat :: The Threat from China


China: Latest Defence White Paper: What Is New? - Analysis


BBC News - China tech stocks dive on threat of US fraud probe


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U.S. finally acknowledges Chinese and Russian cyberthreat | ZDNet
 

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I'm not aware of any existing policy that requires Han chinese to move anywhere within china.

If anything the "Hukuo" system in reality does not promote or encourage the migration of any nationality group within China, quite the opposite really.

Than what is causing the flood of people from eastern China into the western autonomous regions like Xinjiang and Tibet? Is there free movement in China, or do people need to receive authority to move to a new region, live there, and obtain employment? Just curious.
 
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Americans tend to be very sensitive about criticism of their country from outsiders because they really want to believe the propaganda they've heard their entire lives that "it's the BEST country on Earth".

They don't want to acknowledge (or they don't even realise) they have given away so many of their freedoms through the Patriot Act. Between the "fight against terrorism" and corporate intrustion in their lives, privacy and true personal freedom is a thing of the past. Still a fine country, by all accounts, but it has problems like any other (especially including the PRC). It's good but not "the best". Every year, it slips a little down the democracy index. Plus, it's really hypocritical about human and social rights. There are really no social safety nets, and it executes people as fast as China.

Democracy Index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For the record we only execute criminals, unlike our friends in the PRC or DPRK that put people in gulags or make them "vanish" after a kangaroo court.

I do however approve of the way the SAS handles things for you guys, kudos.
 

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Than what is causing the flood of people from eastern China into the western autonomous regions like Xinjiang and Tibet? Is there free movement in China, or do people need to receive authority to move to a new region, live there, and obtain employment? Just curious.

people can move to any province they want, usually I assume for work, to start a business etc. For example I'm from Yunnan Province but live in Hainan.

The only place that permission is required is Hong Kong.
 

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For the record we only execute criminals, unlike our friends in the PRC or DPRK that put people in gulags or make them "vanish" after a kangaroo court.

I do however approve of the way the SAS handles things for you guys, kudos.

If Perry gets elected, he can be "Executioner in Chief". I'm not sure the death penalty is driven by much more than the will of some DA to make his career and establish PR to be "tough on crime". Nevermind, if the case actually may have holes. Somehow, a gulag seems more honest. States like Illinois have done the correct thing by abolishing it, maybe more will follow.

Back to the China thing, it's a much more ethnically complex country than may realise which requires a strong influnece form Beijing to control and prevent separatism especially in its "wild, wild West".

Ethnic minorities in China - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia