USING STATISTICS TO DESCRIBE PENIS SIZE

[ericbear]

Originally posted by ElCamino55@Sep 10 2005, 02:33 AM
So, with all that being said above...

It could be possible that there is some sort of "genetic mutation" that produces larger penises at a higher rate than the "normal curve" would predict....

Anyway, where does one find pictures of all of these 11 inch dicks out on the internet?

It doesn't take much to skew the number, because you are dealing with the tails of the curve. You cited various studies with differing means and SD, then estimated averages of mean=5.5 and SD=0.65. Using these numbers, an 8.6 inch penis is 4.77 SD above the mean, so with your assumption of a normal curve the probability is 0.0000009, or just about 1 in a million, as you say.

But, let's assume a mean length of 6, and a SD of 0.8. These numbers are within the range of the studies you quote, although I'm not sure that any one study had these exact values. In that case, an 8.6 inch penis is 3.25 SD above the mean, so the normal probability is 0.00058, or 1 in about 1700.

So, we went from one in over a million, to better than one in 2000, by just looking at different data sets within the range you used. This is why it is dangerous to extrapolate so far out. What look like modest differences in the data when viewed near the middle give wildly different estimates when extrapolated to the extremes. Although I spoke of biological factors, assignable causes frequently include errors in the measurement process, differences in the measurement technique, or factors that bias the selection of the test subjects.

However, now that we see that relatively small changes can dramatically skew the fringe data, it becomes clear that we don't need some major, freak-of-nature genetic mutation for a higher number of 8 or 9 inch cocks to be plausible. It only takes a small skewing of the curve. A possible assignable factor might be that larger-than-average penii might be more effective at insemination than very small pennii. This would make the curve a bit lopsided, rather than truly Gaussian, biasing it a bit to the large sizes, which when extrapolated out to the extremes might have surprising results.

As I siad, cocks in the 8 to 9 inch range are not common, but not rare, and I think my 1 in a hundred or so estimate is about right, based on the guys I play with. Among my friends, fuckbuddies, and acquaintances (and I don't have all that many), I count 6 larger than I am, and I'm about 8 inches. Wednesday night I got really horny, and was near LA, so I went to Slammer Club. Despite the slow "school night" crowd, there were at least 3 guys with larger cocks than mine.

I think extrodinary factors, rather than a little skewing, do come more into play for very large cocks, in the 11 inch range. Taking a moment to think about it, I can remember several such cocks--

there were two guys that used to frequent the NY Jacks parties when I lived near NYC (one had a big tattoo of an eagle on his groin, with the cock sort of being the neck and head. To me, given the long neck, it looked more like a vulture, but it was never the less a very long and heavy cock. The other appeared slighly shorter, but was very thick. I think he might have pumped it. One night, I saw him go off into semi-private space with this little tiny guy. Of course, you weren't allowed any form of penetration at those parties, but I remember thinking about some gastly accident where the poor little thing got wounded by that massive cock!

two different guys that I met at the Weehawken street party (next to the Dugout)during gay pride in NY about 6 years ago (one was selling pictures of himself, while he stood there with the flacid beast folded doubled over inside the leg of his spandex pants. Another guy, who impressed me earlier when I had seen him taking a piss in the street, walked over, and pulled his monster out. The spandex guy, obviouly impressed, pulled his out for comparision (it was bigger), then gave the other guy a free autographed picture. An onlooker commented "Wow! I've only got 9 inches!" as I jerked him off.);

an utterly astonishing cock I saw and held in a Chicago bathhouse (I saw this guy sucking something that was sticking out of the water in the spa. I couldn't imagine what it was attached to, unitl the rest of it surfaced. Later, the owner of the cock was walking around with a towel around his waist. It looked like he had a large full tent hardon under the towel, but in fact when he removed the towel, he was semi-soft, and that was just the bulge the monster made as it curved around and pointed toward the floor. I had a blind boyfriend with me at the time. When I introduced him to that cock, it took him a moment to believe he was really holding a penis.).

I'm not sure I understand your interest in finding pictures on the internet. Even an introverted recluse like me manages to get out of the house and find them in real life.

 

[ElCamino55]

So, with all that being said above...

I'm not sure I understand you interest in finding pictures on the internet. Even an introverted recluse like me manages to get out of the house and find them in real life.

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Well...I'm not gay, and have no interest in seeing these large penises you talk about in "real life". I'm curious why there's no photographic evidence of their existance...if they do, indeed, exist.

Let's go crazy here and say the average penis length is 6.5 inches, and the SD is 1 inch.

Only 3 in a MILLION are larger than 11 inches, using those above numbers. 1 in a MILLION are larger than 11 1/3 inches. Still, 12 inch penises, even using these outrageously HUGE numbers, are EXTREMELY rare; the equivalent to men that are 7'3" tall. In my entire life the only men I've know taller than 7'3" are in the NBA - the tallest man I've ever known was a friend from high school that ended up being 7' even. That's taller than anyone else's aquaintances I've asked about (generally people say the tallest person they've known is around 6'6"). Seeing these guys at gay street festivals is probably the equivalent of seeing guys 7'6"s in the NBA - that's the ONLY place you're going to see them. As a side not, I would guess that the FEW men out there with 11+"s would be more accepted in the "gay community", as I would guess the VAST majority of women would NOT be interested in something that size...

An anecdotal story: last week I was visiting my brother. As we were waiting for a friend of his to show up, he said I would notice him right away because he is VERY tall - my brother says he is probably 6'6" or so...I'm looking around, and I see this rather tall guy walking up - yep, it's him. So, we're talking some, and I ask him "just how tall are you?" He responds: 6'3". My brother says: "are you sure?"...his friend says, "uh, yeah...of course I'm sure...".

My brother, who is about 6' even thinks his friend is HUGE, probably because my brother himself is a bit taller than average, and isn't used to associating with many guys taller than himself (only about 16% of the population is taller than 6 feet). It's a matter of perspective - guessing height - and penis length - is tricky business, that is, until flesh meets ruler.

As stated above: I'll believe in an abundance of 11+ inch penises when I see an abundance of photographic evidence.

 

[pippi]

i think that elcamino55 (hope i got you name right) is pretty close to reality. im posting and also looking at amateur pictures on the net for years now. i also have been watching way too many porn films in my life up to now. im straight (the furtherst i have gone with a guy is kissing), but im very interested in the penis. not only mine, but also of other guys. i have something i would call a cock "fetish".
the first expirience i have to share is that i get quite some comments that my cock looks big. now go figure, im a honest 17cm / 6.7 inches measured on top, standing not pressing in the ruler.
also in the amateur pictures (if they are real, which is often easy to notice) i think i never saw a cock bigger than 9 inches (realy rough estimate, as its hard too judge) and that after looking at the pictures of literaly thousands of guys. i suppose that guys with bigger dicks normally would be more inclined to post pictures. also there are pictures of the very small ones, like 3 inches long (they often even tell you their measurements realistic, as they seem to enjoy some humilation/domination game).
now on to the porn. the biggest dick i have seen there is mandingos. a lot of people guess his size at 12 or more inches after seeing a video, where he performs good. out of my interest in cocks i tried to guess the size of his cock compared to his fingers/hand. i have done this on quite some shots and if his hands are not way bigger than mine (and i think his body in general resembles mine), than he is 9inches long (10 max, considering the errors i make while comparing).
all this leads me to the conclusion that anything over 9inches is very, very rare. yes, 1 in million sounds like a realistic figure.
i think that MOST of the measurements you hear here, are overstatements and pure fantasy.

 

[ericbear]

The very fact that a normal distribution predicts very small numbers of penii at lengths such as 11 inches is why I say that deterministic factors, which cause deviation from a normal distribution, come into play for these sizes. As I explained, just because something looks close to a normal distribution for the bulk of the population does not mean you can accurately extrapolate out to the limits, because that is where the exceptions become most evident. A model by its nature fits to the majority of the points, and ignores the rare exceptions.

In statistical quality control, extrapolation is often made to +/- 3 SD. As Shewhart pointed out, it is only valid to do this is you know there are no assignable causes. If assignable causes exist, there will be exceptions, and perhaps many, to what the statistical model predicts. In the case of penis size, the assignable causes creating the exceptions might be a particular blood line, some outside influence during gestation, some medical condition, etc.

Simple statistics disregard such factors, by fitting a model to the majority. In cases other than penis size, such factors are well known to exist, as is evidenced by the conditions known to case excessive height, very long limbs, excessive and uncontrollable weight, etc. Such cases deviate from the predictions of statistical models for height, limb length, etc, and are the exceptions due to assignable causes. I cannot understand the rationale by which the possiblity of such exceptions can be accepted for factors other than penis size, but denied when the appendage is a penis instead of, say, an arm.

Sorry-- I misread your sexual orientation! Being straight, there are fewer chances to personally experience the range of penis size, although depending on what you are into, there are certainly a few venues.

I am reminded of a supposedly straight (I think really closet bi) guy that wanted to meet me for some fetish play. When we were standing face to face, he said something like "Now you're going to get to see a real man's cock," and proceeded to pull a modest erection out of his pants. (I think he expected me to drop to my knees in awe and suck it.) I popped my buttons, and pulled out a semi-flacid penis that was larger than his erection. He was astonished, alhough I don't consider myself to be huge, just somewhat above average. This points out that he had a very different range of experiences than I did.

The problem with internet pictures and porn is that they are not particularly good research media. Since you don't get to touch in person, you have to guess the size based on circumstantial clues. This can lead to some perceptual problems. For example, a very thick penis may look much shorter than it really is. When you do see something you don't really believe in, it's easy to dismiss it as a fake, because so many are.

I have never siad that huge cocks are common, just not as rare as you claim. You seem to feel that people with really big cocks should be making porn, where you would see them. But, there are a lot of reasons why that is not the case. First of all, most people don't want to make porn, regardless of how much money or whatever they could make. Secondly, being a good porn actor has much more to do with other factors than a large cock. You need the right kind of body, appearance, and screen persona. You have to be capable and comfortable having sex under bright lights, with dozens of people in the room. You need to get the cock properly hard, which seems to be difficult for some (but not all) of the overenowed men I have met. It's helpful to have a short refractory period, and be able to cum several times per day. You cant be prone to cumming too soon, but need to be able to cum on demand. You need to fuck in a way that turns people on, etc.

I have met a number of gay porn actors, and had sex with a couple. In person, most of them were fairly small in stature, and had cocks actually in the 7 to 9 inch range (often advertised as somewhat bigger). (There were a few notable exceptions, both as to stature and cock size, including some with rather small cocks. The latter is one producer's trick for making the top's cock look bigger by comparison.) However, as far as I can tell, with the probable exception of the guy selling the photos of himself, all of the truly huge cocks I have seen were not on porn actors or porn models.

Not everybody wants to be an exhibitionist, and I suspect that having any unusual body development might even make many people feel self-conscious, and be more selective in how they show it. A good example is one of the large guys I saw at Slammer Club Wednesady night. He shows up there often, but tends to be a very shy voyeur, rather than a participant. He watches other people while masturbating this big, thick, cock covered by his hands, until he eventually cums alone. I've only very rarely seen him do anything with another person, and he has to be approached very delicately to let you touch his penis for even a brief time. Clearly, he's not the sort of person that you would expect to be doing porn or posting pictures. Yet, he has a cock that my fingers will not close around (meaning girth over 7 inches), and is long enough (although a bit curved to the side) for both of my hands, plus a head and extra room, meaning over 9 inches.

Two other very well hung guys that I know from parties get seriously embarrassed if anyone asks them how large thay are, or comments on their cock. They will have group sex in certain settings, but cleary have a limit of their comfort zone. It may seem odd to you that someone that will get blown or fuck in a room full of strangers will not want to talk about their cock, but such is the case. I suspect the reson is that they resent being objectified because of the thing between their legs, and want people to pay more attention to the rest. I wouldn't expect them doing porn or posting pictures, either.

 

[ElCamino55]

Eric, I&#39;m not sure about all the codes to copy the quotes into the boxes, so I&#39;m just going to put your previous post in <<>> brackets.

<<In the case of penis size, the assignable causes creating the exceptions might be a particular blood line, some outside influence during gestation, some medical condition, etc.>>

This would only work IF penis size is the only part of the human anatomy affected (effected? I can never keep those straight) by the assignable causes. That just doesn&#39;t make sense&#33; There&#39;s NO evidence that something like height has these HUGE numbers of outliers - if there were, it would be commonplace to see men over 7 feet tall walking around. As we all know, that just isn&#39;t the case.

<<The problem with internet pictures and porn is that they are not particularly good research media...>>

Yeah, if you&#39;re trying to determine the average size of the human penis&#33; If you&#39;re trying to determine what the largest of penises are out there, it&#39;s a pretty good place to do research&#33; As for the criteria needed for porn, if there really are THAT many men walking around with 11+" penises you would think there would be some photographic/video evidence of them somewhere out there...I mean, there&#39;s evidence of something like 10"s, and that size seems to be about as common as 12"s, given the anecdotal evidence you and others have provided.

Question to everyone reading: what&#39;s the largest penis you have acutally measured with a ruler? Not an estimate, not using your hands, etc. Using an actual ruler/tape measure. Remember my story about my brother and his friend he thought was 6&#39;6" tall - he was really 6&#39;3", quite a difference.

Once again, until I see some proof of this abundance of 11+" penises out there, I&#39;m not going to believe it. Somebody saying they&#39;ve seen 11" penises on MANY occasions, and then making some statements with statistical jargon just isn&#39;t "proof" to me, or any other reasonale person either.

 

[hippyscum]

I have to say ElCamino, it seems you&#39;ve chosen a pretty volatile first subject thread.

And Ericbear... I&#39;ve known smart people before but, wow... just... wow.

 

[Donk]

Originally posted by ceg1526@Sep 10 2005, 04:16 PM
Benjamin Disraeli , the prime minister of Britian in the 1870s, was reported by Mark Twain to have said “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.” Anyone who has worked with numbers knows they will confess to anything if one tortures them long enough.

Take care

Ceg

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Indeed. Being mathematically challenged, I don&#39;t pretend to understand everything ericbear has posted, but I totally agree with what I understand to be his basic point. I think what the original poster has done here is to construct a mathematical model that does not necessarily correspond perfectly with reality, assume that it does correspond perfectly with reality, and then stubbornly insist that things that exist in the real, physical world but that do not fit into the model do not really exist. (Perhaps he is an economist. They do that all the time.)

Yes, men lie about their penis sizes and, yes, many women (gay men too, I guess) seem to post stories about encounters online in which they fabricate, exxagerate, or unintentionally misjudge penis size. But 11" penises do exist. (I know. I have one. I also have a 10" forearm, and I&#39;m only 5&#39;5" tall. And I&#39;m not aware of any genetic anomalies I have, other than a propensity to high cholesterol.) 11" penises are rare, but I would bet they are not near as rare as the OP&#39;s statistical model would predict, though I&#39;m sure they are more rare than a statistical sample of internet penis size reports would predict. I also know that penises exist that are longer than the 12" "largest penis in the world" predicted by the model--I have seen one with my own eyes.

 

[ElCamino55]

Originally posted by Donk+Sep 10 2005, 05:24 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Donk &#064; Sep 10 2005, 05:24 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-ceg1526@Sep 10 2005, 04:16 PM
Benjamin Disraeli , the prime minister of Britian in the 1870s, was reported by Mark Twain to have said “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.” Anyone who has worked with numbers knows they will confess to anything if one tortures them long enough.

Take care

Ceg

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Yes, men lie about their penis sizes and, yes, many women (gay men too, I guess) seem to post stories about encounters online in which they fabricate, exxagerate, or unintentionally misjudge penis size. But 11" penises do exist. (I know. I have one. I also have a 10" forearm, and I&#39;m only 5&#39;5" tall. And I&#39;m not aware of any genetic anomalies I have, other than a propensity to high cholesterol.) 11" penises are rare, but I would bet they are not near as rare as the OP&#39;s statistical model would predict, though I&#39;m sure they are more rare than a statistical sample of internet penis size reports would predict. I also know that penises exist that are longer than the 12" "largest penis in the world" predicted by the model--I have seen one with my own eyes.

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So, you&#39;ve provided photographic proof of your 11 inches? Where&#39;s the proof of this penis larger than 12"s you have seen? Also, I stated there COULD be a 13"er out there - but more than one would be some sort of INCREDIBLE event of chance.

Like I said, I need PROOF, not someone sitting around and talking about all the big penises they&#39;ve come across (pun intended).

One study showed about 200 of the 300 men measured were between about 5 and 6 inches. That fits rather nicely into the model I&#39;ve presented (another double entendre&#33. At the extreme ends of the tail of the distribution there WILL be some data points that aren&#39;t "normally distributed". But there will NOT be some 100x the number of penises of 11+"s than the model predicts. That&#39;s just not how biology works. The model predicts about 1 in a million being larger than ~9 inches, if there are more than 20 or 30 of 9+"ers in California...well, I&#39;d be MORE than suprised - it would ruin the foundations of biology.

 

[Dr Rock]

Originally posted by ElCamino55@Sep 10 2005, 09:57 PM
So, you&#39;ve provided photographic proof of your 11 inches?

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aha. now we finally get to the real point of this thread.

 

[ElCamino55]

Originally posted by Dr Rock+Sep 10 2005, 06:43 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dr Rock &#064; Sep 10 2005, 06:43 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-ElCamino55@Sep 10 2005, 09:57 PM
So, you&#39;ve provided photographic proof of your 11 inches?

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aha. now we finally get to the real point of this thread.

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Uh, no...However, if someone is claiming to be 11 inches long, I&#39;d like to see some proof. It&#39;s not like there&#39;s a shortage of pornography on the internet.

 

[hippyscum]

Originally posted by ElCamino55@Sep 9 2005, 06:19 PM
The "one in a million" mark is at 8.6 inches - that is, only 1 in 1,000,000 men will be larger than 8.6 inches


I have a keen interest in penis size, as I, myself, was blessed (cursed?) with a penis approximately 9 inches in length and 5.5 inches in circumference.

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Are you sure you&#39;re not just trying to make your "1-in-a-million" penis seem more important than a random act of genetics and make yourself seem more "special" in the process? It&#39;s nothing personal by the way, it&#39;s just that I know a few guys who judge themselves solely on the size of their dicks, I was just curious as to if you&#39;re like that.

Oh by the way, welcome to the board :bounce:

 

[ElCamino55]

Originally posted by hippyscum+Sep 10 2005, 06:57 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hippyscum &#064; Sep 10 2005, 06:57 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-ElCamino55@Sep 9 2005, 06:19 PM
The "one in a million" mark is at 8.6 inches - that is, only 1 in 1,000,000 men will be larger than 8.6 inches


I have a keen interest in penis size, as I, myself, was blessed (cursed?) with a penis approximately 9 inches in length and 5.5 inches in circumference.

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Are you sure you&#39;re not just trying to make your "1-in-a-million" penis seem more important than a random act of genetics and make yourself seem more "special" in the process? It&#39;s nothing personal by the way, it&#39;s just that I know a few guys who judge themselves solely on the size of their dicks, I was just curious as to if you&#39;re like that.

Oh by the way, welcome to the board :bounce:

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Well, no. I&#39;m not particularly "proud" of my dick...I&#39;d rather have 7 inches than 9 inches. 9 inches is too big - girls can&#39;t give me a good blowjob, I can&#39;t put all 9 inches in doggy style without the girls in pain and complaining - and occasionally just quiting on me, which I&#39;ve had happen.

What this is about is using some stastical analysis to describe the rarity of penises larger than 8 inches, and the EXTREME rarity of anything over 10 inches.

 

[ceg1526]

Originally posted by Donk@Sep 10 2005, 09:24 PM
Indeed. Being mathematically challenged, I don&#39;t pretend to understand everything ericbear has posted, but I totally agree with what I understand to be his basic point. I think what the original poster has done here is to construct a mathematical model that does not necessarily correspond perfectly with reality, assume that it does correspond perfectly with reality, and then stubbornly insist that things that exist in the real, physical world but that do not fit into the model do not really exist. (Perhaps he is an economist. They do that all the time.)

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Cheap shot at economists, but I agree with the sentiment. One of the problems with models is that once they&#39;re constructed, the model is treated as gospel. You have to keep backtesting the model and refining it to fit reality, which many hack modellers loath (and supervisors and clients hate to pay for).

My personal guess is that the population is significantly skewed with more of a tail toward the high side than the low side. You can do the curves in 3-D, which would allow for thickness or girth to be included in the calculation. Now if we move onto fuzzy sets...

Take care

Ceg

 

[ceg1526]

Originally posted by ElCamino55@Sep 10 2005, 11:37 PM
Well, no. I&#39;m not particularly "proud" of my dick...I&#39;d rather have 7 inches than 9 inches. 9 inches is too big - girls can&#39;t give me a good blowjob, I can&#39;t put all 9 inches in doggy style without the girls in pain and complaining - and occasionally just quiting on me, which I&#39;ve had happen.

What this is about is using some stastical analysis to describe the rarity of penises larger than 8 inches, and the EXTREME rarity of anything over 10 inches.

1. Be proud of what you got, be it 5 or 15.

2. If your partner&#39;s in pain, you&#39;ve got a problem. Check out the threads on lubrication, consideration, and foreplay.

3. You can&#39;t construct an aceptable model with the answer already set. You have to go where the data leads you.

Take care

Ceg

 

[Mr.Stout]

Originally posted by ElCamino55+Sep 10 2005, 04:57 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ElCamino55 &#064; Sep 10 2005, 04:57 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Originally posted by Donk@Sep 10 2005, 05:24 PM
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@Sep 10 2005, 04:16 PM
Benjamin Disraeli , the prime minister of Britian in the 1870s, was reported by Mark Twain to have said “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.” Anyone who has worked with numbers knows they will confess to anything if one tortures them long enough.

Take care

Ceg

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Yes, men lie about their penis sizes and, yes, many women (gay men too, I guess) seem to post stories about encounters online in which they fabricate, exxagerate, or unintentionally misjudge penis size. But 11" penises do exist. (I know. I have one. I also have a 10" forearm, and I&#39;m only 5&#39;5" tall. And I&#39;m not aware of any genetic anomalies I have, other than a propensity to high cholesterol.) 11" penises are rare, but I would bet they are not near as rare as the OP&#39;s statistical model would predict, though I&#39;m sure they are more rare than a statistical sample of internet penis size reports would predict. I also know that penises exist that are longer than the 12" "largest penis in the world" predicted by the model--I have seen one with my own eyes.

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So, you&#39;ve provided photographic proof of your 11 inches? Where&#39;s the proof of this penis larger than 12"s you have seen? Also, I stated there COULD be a 13"er out there - but more than one would be some sort of INCREDIBLE event of chance.

Like I said, I need PROOF, not someone sitting around and talking about all the big penises they&#39;ve come across (pun intended).

One study showed about 200 of the 300 men measured were between about 5 and 6 inches. That fits rather nicely into the model I&#39;ve presented (another double entendre&#33. At the extreme ends of the tail of the distribution there WILL be some data points that aren&#39;t "normally distributed". But there will NOT be some 100x the number of penises of 11+"s than the model predicts. That&#39;s just not how biology works. The model predicts about 1 in a million being larger than ~9 inches, if there are more than 20 or 30 of 9+"ers in California...well, I&#39;d be MORE than suprised - it would ruin the foundations of biology.

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I am sorry I just had to put in my two cents&#33; I hold a masters in life science, you failed miserably as a statitician, now your using biologic principles as a basis here&#33; "Ruin the foundations of biology" Thats a pretty outlandish statement&#33;
I think Dr.Rock had it right we now see what your after&#33;
And oh by the way I am 10 x 8 hard and being freakishly thick as it is makes sex very difficult as well as making many peoples perspective of it fall short in their estimates.
My forearm measures over 12 inches and I am 6&#39;1" if it makes ANY difference. I think we have given way too much time to this venture. I am ALL for giving support but give it a rest man you just aren&#39;t getting it&#33;

 

[madame_zora]

Sadly, I can&#39;t resist this one, ever.

No one gives a flying shit if you "need" proof. No one needs prove anything to be a member of a support group. Over and out.

If you&#39;re too daft to understand that the Large Penis Support Group would have more hugely hung men than the general population, it is unlikely that even Eric&#39;s eloquent indulgence will persuade you. Once again, who cares?

Numbers- I&#39;m sure we have less than 30 members who claim to be over 10&#39;&#39; and many are not even from this country, so what&#39;s so hard to believe that with all the countries that have computer access to a group that embraces the difficulties men with this issue share, there could be that many? Say a third are lying or exaggerating, I&#39;d believe there could be twenty here. There are probably a couple hundred worldwide, out of three billion men, that&#39;s a damned small number, wouldn&#39;t you say?

Many of our members HAVE done porn. Believe it or not, some do grow out of that phase and don&#39;t want to be known for that part of their lives. MOST sizes in porn are exaggerated, which skews perceptions greatly. What men who aren&#39;t huge can&#39;t understand, and I had to learn for myself, is that having a huge dick isn&#39;t the greatest thing the world has to offer. It is cumbersome, sometimes embarassing, if word gets out, it&#39;s all you ever hear from people in your life and they treat you like you owe it to them to show it off, kind of like a freak show. Not much fun, really. So we have a support group. Here everyone gets to be who they want to be, show the part of themselves they feel like showing. It is no surprise to me that the men who are in the 8&#39;&#39; to 10&#39;&#39; range are more likely to show off, because they haven&#39;t had the same issues that the ones larger than that have had- turned down for sex, painful intercourse, in some cases no sex at all. While anyone over 8&#39;&#39; has probably had some experiences like this at some point, if they&#39;ve had many partners, the ones over 10&#39;&#39; have to deal with it every time. Their lives are much different than those of "very large" guys. Very large guys are the ones who are more likely to be more proud of what they have, truly huge guys know it as what can be a painful thing to deal with. Thanks for the lack of sensitivity, new guy.

 

[Mr.Stout]

Well put Madame Zora&#33;&#33;&#33;

 

[pippi]

Originally posted by madame_zora@Sep 11 2005, 04:55 AM
Sadly, I can&#39;t resist this one, ever.

What men who aren&#39;t huge can&#39;t understand, and I had to learn for myself, is that having a huge dick isn&#39;t the greatest thing the world has to offer. It is cumbersome, sometimes embarassing, if word gets out, it&#39;s all you ever hear from people in your life and they treat you like you owe it to them to show it off, kind of like a freak show. Not much fun, really. So we have a support group. Here everyone gets to be who they want to be, show the part of themselves they feel like showing. It is no surprise to me that the men who are in the 8&#39;&#39; to 10&#39;&#39; range are more likely to show off, because they haven&#39;t had the same issues that the ones larger than that have had- turned down for sex, painful intercourse, in some cases no sex at all. While anyone over 8&#39;&#39; has probably had some experiences like this at some point, if they&#39;ve had many partners, the ones over 10&#39;&#39; have to deal with it every time. Their lives are much different than those of "very large" guys. Very large guys are the ones who are more likely to be more proud of what they have, truly huge guys know it as what can be a painful thing to deal with.

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i dont believe this. i think that men with larger cocks will have similar distribition of personalities as other men. some will be outgoing, some will be shy, some will be exhibitionist, some will behave modest,.....
also as i pointed out about the amateurs sites, that you will see the very small ones. i think they will have as much reason, if not more, as the larger guys to not show themselves and still they do.
i know that looking at this pictures is not the best way to judge penis size, but i think i got better after taking hundreds of pictures of myself and also looking at many pictures. i know what angles and perspectives are decieving (actually i use this effect in my own pictures) and i know what pictures can give you a rough estimate of the size. actually, if my other career paths dont work out, i might as well get a porno camera man

i really think, that if you have a "normal" amount of partners in your life (lets say in the magnitude of 1-100), your chances of seeing a 9" or larger cock are pretty low. i dont want to discredit any of the personal acounts told on here (at least from persons, which are not obviously making it up), but i think your expirences will not correspond, with the expirences most people make. (so again chances for this are really low)

one study, which seems really trustworthy is from the university of Essen together with pro familia. there medical professionals measured 143 men and the came up with 14,48cm / 5.7 inches average length. the longest they found was 19cm / 7.4 inches. look again, 7.4 was the longest they found in 143 men&#33;
pro famila even sells wood models (just roughly penis shaped) of the average and extreme cases they found. these are made to be used for sexual eduction at schools.

 

[ElCamino55]

Originally posted by pippi@Sep 11 2005, 07:40 AM

i dont believe this. i think that men with larger cocks will have similar distribition of personalities as other men. some will be outgoing, some will be shy, some will be exhibitionist, some will behave modest,.....
also as i pointed out about the amateurs sites, that you will see the very small ones. i think they will have as much reason, if not more, as the larger guys to not show themselves and still they do.
i know that looking at this pictures is not the best way to judge penis size, but i think i got better after taking hundreds of pictures of myself and also looking at many pictures. i know what angles and perspectives are decieving (actually i use this effect in my own pictures) and i know what pictures can give you a rough estimate of the size. actually, if my other career paths dont work out, i might as well get a porno camera man

i really think, that if you have a "normal" amount of partners in your life (lets say in the magnitude of 1-100), your chances of seeing a 9" or larger cock are pretty low. i dont want to discredit any of the personal acounts told on here (at least from persons, which are not obviously making it up), but i think your expirences will not correspond, with the expirences most people make. (so again chances for this are really low)

one study, which seems really trustworthy is from the university of Essen together with pro familia. there medical professionals measured 143 men and the came up with 14,48cm / 5.7 inches average length. the longest they found was 19cm / 7.4 inches. look again, 7.4 was the longest they found in 143 men&#33;
pro famila even sells wood models (just roughly penis shaped) of the average and extreme cases they found. these are made to be used for sexual eduction at schools.

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Thanks for the numbers in the study...using those numbers the SD for penis length comes to be about 0.7 inches. Not far off from my initial estimates...the "one in a million" is pushed up to 9 inches, due to the slightly higher average and SD - anyway, what&#39;s the difference between an 8.6" and a 9" penis? LOL&#33;

Study after study shows penis size to be distributed normally, and if there really is a "bulge" in the numbers of men with HUGE endowments, then medical science must ask "why"?

 

[Dr Rock]

Originally posted by ElCamino55@Sep 11 2005, 12:14 PM
Study after study shows penis size to be distributed normally, and if there really is a "bulge" in the numbers of men with HUGE endowments, then medical science must ask "why"?

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I&#39;m inclined to suspect that the medical establishment doesn&#39;t really share your particular interest there.