USING STATISTICS TO DESCRIBE PENIS SIZE

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Originally posted by ElCamino55@Sep 13 2005, 03:14 PM
I think it would be safe to say the average penis length is between 5 and 6 inches, and "one in a million" are between 8.5 and 9.5 inches long.
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I do however hope you're right though, then I can go home to my girlfriend and say "I think I do deserve a cup of tea when I get home from work because I'm one in a million don't you know"

I give it a count of 3 before I get a plate chucked at my head :bigsmile:
 
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Originally posted by ElCamino55@Sep 13 2005, 02:56 PM
I thought you said your career was in statistics?
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Lol, if I was going to lie about my career I would say I was a fighter pilot or porn star, definately not in statistical capture and analysis which is as boring as it sounds unfortunately
 

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Originally posted by Dorset@Sep 13 2005, 03:53 PM
statistical capture and analysis
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I love how they call it "statistical capture", like the statistics are wily predators prowling the bush in the hopes of savaging a careless data retrieval technician.
 

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Originally posted by Dorset+Sep 13 2005, 10:53 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Dorset &#064; Sep 13 2005, 10:53 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-ElCamino55@Sep 13 2005, 02:56 PM
I thought you said your career was in statistics? 
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Lol, if I was going to lie about my career I would say I was a fighter pilot or porn star, definately not in statistical capture and analysis which is as boring as it sounds unfortunately
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Dorset, your posts make me laugh. I hope your honey appreciates your humor as much as she does your endowment.

For the record, quite a few people here have already pretended -- and some still do claim to be -- fighter pilots and porn stars. I think it&#39;s better to have everyone think you have a boring profession and respect your views than it is to believe everyone thinks you&#39;re cool when they&#39;re all really laughing at you behind your back.
 

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ElCamino, I said you were an idiot because you have provided plenty of proof of it&#39;s truth.

As to my gender, I am well aware that MOST women don&#39;t argue like this on message boards, nor do they manage sales teams, stay single by choice, fuck for pleasure only, or a lot of the things I do contrary to the majority of my gender. You are free to hold your opinion as to what my gender assignment may be, but regardless of what "evidence" you provide, I am still genetically a woman. You can ask Ashlar, DMW, Dr. Bubbles, Naughty, Texassgirl, Carolina, Dominik20- all of whom I&#39;ve talked to on the phone, but if all else fails, ask Absinthium who is my DAUGHTER&#33;

You dismiss Kinsey who did the only comprehensive study in preference of far smaller studies, which may well have been done under better circumstances, but all lack significant study size. You ignored my point that if a small study didn&#39;t happen to include a guy in the one in 10,000 size, it would skew the results, because this point is obvious.

HungMuscle, you continue to point at me as being rude, which I don&#39;t nimd, but take some responsibility for being rude yourself by hounding members for pics- it&#39;s just not nice. If someone does something that&#39;s rude then calls out someone who protests, that&#39;s hypocritical. You don&#39;t mind calling people liars, but I&#39;m bad if I call the harassers idiots, what gives?

Yeah, I&#39;m losing the argument- are you in outer space? It&#39;s not like I care what any of you arguing think, I post this stuff for the benefit of the general readership, I&#39;m talking through you, not to you. I already know Elcamino is a weasel who is just desperate to believe what he is posting, and frankly my dear, I don&#39;t give a damn if he does. My interest is in letting it be known that what he is saying is based on his ego problems, not rational reality.

Until anyone can measure every single guy on earth, no one can say with ANY authority how rare is rare. It is well know amoung statisticians that the top and bottom few percent are often eliminated from most studies, so if we&#39;re talking about exceptions only, as I said before, there is virtually NO statistical information available.

Over and out. I won&#39;t be posting here again, I said what I came here to say.
 

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Originally posted by madame_zora+Sep 13 2005, 06:23 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(madame_zora &#064; Sep 13 2005, 06:23 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>You dismiss Kinsey...
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Yes, I do.

Self reporting is NOT scientific.

To believe otherwise is to ignore the scientific method.


Originally posted by madame_zora@Sep 13 2005, 06:23 PM
...if a small study didn&#39;t happen to include a guy in the one in 10,000 size, it would skew the results.
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No, it wouldn&#39;t. Penis size just doesn&#39;t "jump" from 7"s to 9"s...there&#39;s a continuum of sizes. The fact penises larger than 7.5"s aren&#39;t measured by medical research with a sample size of over 100 should tell you something.

Originally posted by madame_zora@Sep 13 2005, 06:23 PM
I already know Elcamino is a weasel...
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Ah, more insults...

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I WIN&#33;&#33;&#33;
 

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Zora, I never harrassed anyone in my life about anything, least of all for pictures on this website. What are you talking about? Don&#39;t bring me into yet another of your spats. You get involved in so many of them here and I don&#39;t want any part of it.

I&#39;m a good natured person who gives everyone the benefit of the doubt, but when I feel duped because someone I&#39;ve chatted with turns out to be far from the person they pretended to be here, sure I&#39;m going to call them out. Wouldn&#39;t you?
 

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Originally posted by PonyPete@Sep 14 2005, 12:18 AM
I think my favorite quote by jonb is in order here - "Arguing on the Internet is like running in the Special Olympics: if you win, you&#39;re still retarded."

It doesn&#39;t hurt my feelings in the least if somebody chooses to think of me as one in a million.
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I love it, I think I might have to steal that one (even though it&#39;s aimed at me too)
 

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somewhere in this thread (im sorry, but im too lazy to point out the paticular post) was said that the statistics that are made are not good to estimate the margins of the size distribution. i dont believe this, as there are two major points for making these studies.
1. condom size: there you are interested in the area around average, as that is where your target market is.
2. micro penis: penis surgery´s intention is to help men with this "syndrome". but for this you need a margin to say, if a person is suitable or not.

quite a lot of studies are made with the 2nd point in mind. so they try to establish what a real small penis is. why shouldnt it also be used to extimate the upper regions?

EDIT: i found it ... by madam zora:
"Until anyone can measure every single guy on earth, no one can say with ANY authority how rare is rare. It is well know amoung statisticians that the top and bottom few percent are often eliminated from most studies, so if we&#39;re talking about exceptions only, as I said before, there is virtually NO statistical information available"

in the end all statistics will not help, it comes to the point of believing it or not. i am one of the sceptics about all the numbers thrown around here on this board.
 

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I&#39;ve been with lots of guys and the biggest one I ever actually measured myself was 10.5 x 8.25 and it was really, really huge. He was a new Dr. at the school I was going to and I met him in the sauna and later gave him a ride home to his wife and kid where he gave me his number and said to call him to play racquetball. I found out later a friend of mine had sucked him off in a bathroom at the hospital because I said "I did a guy with the biggest dick" and he said "Is his name C---- G--?" And I&#39;m like oh shit...

Anyway, I just wanted to say that most guys I&#39;ve done have been 7-8 inches. But there&#39;s horses out there too. Believe it.
 

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This is kind of interesting, I really am 1/1,000,000; like you if this is true. I have 8.75 X 6.5 at the base, both around 4.91 SD. (One a little higher). I'm surprised you are not girthier if you have 9 inches. I am about 5.5 around near the head, but the head is a good 2.1 inches wide. I don't think it is though but it's a fun thought. Since I wear size 16 shoes, that would definitely correspond (that is also 4.91 SD)
 

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I agree the 8,9,10s are rare but probably not as rare as the statistics seem to suggest. Disqualifying photoshop and weird camera angles, I've seen guys on cam on this site who have placed easily measurable items next to their cocks, like iPhones 4s, confirming they're more than 9 inches long. This site, in fact, is crawling with guys over 8 inches. Granted, the site is probably over-representative for big guys who like showing off, the 1 in 1 million type stats would suggest there are only a few hundred 8+ in the US alone, and they can't all be on this site.

I also think, short of showing a ruler or common item to gauge by, people are horrifically bad at gauging length simply by site. A friend of mine used to tell me he slept with this 9+ and that 9+. We were having lunch so I placed the napkin on the table then took it away and asked him to tell me how long it was. He was about 2 inches off from the actual length. In other words, the 9 inchers he was sleeping with my only have been 7.
 

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I know that my wife has no idea what 10" is. I asked her questions about size and she has always been wrong. I have cut a piece of wood at 4.5 inches and asked her what she thought it was. She answered maybe 9 to 10?? Guess what I have a 11" cock and didn't even know it. haha
I would never depend on someone else's best guess on the length of someone's cock. Measure it is the only way, but I'm not going to run around with a tape measure, measuring cocks.
 
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I agree the 8,9,10s are rare but probably not as rare as the statistics seem to suggest. Disqualifying photoshop and weird camera angles, I've seen guys on cam on this site who have placed easily measurable items next to their cocks, like iPhones 4s, confirming they're more than 9 inches long. This site, in fact, is crawling with guys over 8 inches. Granted, the site is probably over-representative for big guys who like showing off, the 1 in 1 million type stats would suggest there are only a few hundred 8+ in the US alone, and they can't all be on this site.

I also think, short of showing a ruler or common item to gauge by, people are horrifically bad at gauging length simply by site. A friend of mine used to tell me he slept with this 9+ and that 9+. We were having lunch so I placed the napkin on the table then took it away and asked him to tell me how long it was. He was about 2 inches off from the actual length. In other words, the 9 inchers he was sleeping with my only have been 7.

That's why only a few guys were able to post a real correctly measured 8" dick. :rolleyes:
 

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I, myself, was blessed (cursed?) with a penis approximately 9 inches in length and 5.5 inches in circumference. Every woman I meet (meat?) in the "real world" is VERY VERY VERY impressed with my size, some are even scared, or quit after some amount of sex (or simply BEG me to cum, so they can get my large penis out of them...).


Anyway, this was my first post...&#33;[/QUOTE]
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By using statistics we can describe the variation of sizes in the general population of penises.

First, we must determine what really is "average".

Studies have determined the average penis length is somewhere between 5 and 6 inches. We will settle for labeling "average" as 5.5 inches. Average circumference is between 4 and 5 inches, so we will settle for laberal average circumference as 4.5 inches.

The standard deviation (SD) of penis length is reported to be between 0.5 and 0.8 inch(es). Once again, we will take the middle, and settle for using .65 as the SD for penis length. For circumference there isn&#39;t as much data, but what is available shows the SD to be about 0.4 inches.

Using these numbers we can say that 68% of the population is between 4.85 and 6.15 inches. 95% are between 4.2 and 6.8 inches. 98% are between 3.55 and 7.45 inches. 1% are smaller than 3.55 inches, and 1% are larger than 7.45 inches. The "one in a million" mark is at 8.6 inches - that is, only 1 in 1,000,000 men will be larger than 8.6 inches, or smaller than 2.4 inches (about 5 SD&#39;s from the mean).

As for circumference, 68% are between 4.1 and 4.9 inches. 95% are between 3.7 and 5.3 inches; and 98% are between 3.3 and 5.7 inches. 1% are smaller than 3.3 inches, and 1% are larger than 5.7 inches. The "one in a million" mark is at 6.4 inches for the larger, and 2.6 inches for the smaller.

The most extreme ends of the spectrum (read LARGEST PENIS IN THE WORLD here) will be about 10 SD&#39;s from the mean; about 12 inches in length and about 8.5 inches in circumference.

I have a keen interest in penis size, as I, myself, was blessed (cursed?) with a penis approximately 9 inches in length and 5.5 inches in circumference. Every woman I meet (meat?) in the "real world" is VERY VERY VERY impressed with my size, some are even scared, or quit after some amount of sex (or simply BEG me to cum, so they can get my large penis out of them...). Only in chatrooms do I find "women" that claim to have been with guys that were "at least 12 inches" - never in the "casual relationships" I have with women.

Also, I look at a lot of porn (hey, I have a lot of time on my hands, OK?), and NEVER have I seen a man larger than 11 inches; Lex Steele and Mandingo come to mind automatically - but I sometimes think they look so much larger due to tricky photography, camera angles, lenses, etc. Sometimes they don&#39;t seem much larger than 10 inches...

Anyway, this was my first post...&#33;



There is a guy, who does porn who measures (on cam) at 14"
 

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In my own experience, I&#39;ve encountered cocks from roughly the size of my thumb to my forearm, or about 2.5 to around 11 inches long. While ones at the extreme are rare, I have seen several. However, since I have not seen millions of cocks, I have seen far more large ones than your statistics would predict. For reference, I would estimate that cocks in the 8 to 9 inch range are found on perhaps 1% or so of the men I have played with, not one in a million.

There are perhaps several reasons for this, but the most likely one has to do with improper use and poor understanding of statistical techniques, leading to invalid conclusions. You, and many of the researchers you quote, have assumed that the data has a Gaussian (normal) distribution when applying the concepts of mean and standard deviation (SD), and then using these number to extrapolate the expected frequency of finding any particular size. Unfortunately, this is often done on datasets which are not truly Gaussian.

The mean and SD are valid concepts for data with any distribution. However, using these two values to predict the frequency in the way you did is only valid if the distribution is Gaussian. It is common for researchers to summarize data as the mean and SD, and leave it to readers to assume that the data set is Gaussian, when in fact the accuracy of fit to the Gaussian model was never verified. Just because the distribution curve seems "bell shaped," doesn&#39;t mean that it accurately follows the Gaussian model. Even if the data appears to be a reasonable fit to a Gaussian model, it is important to note that the further you get from the mean, the less accurate the extrapolation may become. This is because the tests used to determine the goodness of fit to the model aren&#39;t very sensitive to points out on the "tails" of the distribution, as there are comparatively few of these points in a dataset of roughly Gaussian shape. So, you have to beware of large extrapolations (many SD) in all cases, and even be skeptical closer to the mean if the goodness of fit to the model is suspect.

To have a true Gaussian distribution, the data has to be truly random in nature. It is doubtful that penis size is truly random, as genetics, mate selection, physical limitations, and other somewhat determinisitic factors are involved. Therefore, it is not surprising that actual experience differs from the results extrapolated using the mean and SD assuming a Gaussian model. Even a subtle deterministic effect can casue large deviations from the model at the "tails" of the curve.

In fact, even if penis length were truly random, the model using a mean length plus/minus so many standard deviations is obviously flawed. For example, you say the world&#39;s largest cock would be at +10 standard deviations, at 12 x 8.5 inches. But, as a Gaussian distribution is symetrical about the mean, this means that the smallest penis, at -10 standard deviations, would be negative 1 inch long by 0.5 in circumference (this is using your numbers; I didn&#39;t bother to verify your caluclations). Since a negative length is physically impossible, it is obvious that your model cannot be accurate at the large extrapolations you make.

When measuring the size of things that vary widely (which cocks do, despite the feel-good BS to the contrary), statistics based on geometric distributions, rather than arithmetic ones, somteimes work out as better fits. For example, the arithmetic Gaussian distribution you assumed predicts that for every cock X inches longer than the arithmetic mean, there is one X inches shorter, given the symetrical distribution curve. However, in a geometric distribution, for every cock Y times the length of the geometric mean, you have one equal to the mean divided by Y. (Note that you can&#39;t get negative lengths this way; just nearly zero.) A simple way to analyze a data set in this way is to take the logarithms of the lengths, then apply the usual arithmetic Gaussian statistics to the logs. This is still assuming a Gaussian distribution (which may not really be true due to deterministics factors), but now applies it to the ratio of the length to the mean. I suspect that will produce results that agree better with observation.

Understandably, this is a VERY old post, but dare I say, bullshit. For the most part, I agree, but once you've stated that 11 inch cocks are 1 in a 1000 ('s), you lost me entirely. There hasn't been proof of "1" legitimate, precise, and accurately NBPEL measured cock (whilst 100% fully erect, or damn near it) that has reached the lengths of 11. I mean, for fucks sake, the internet has been around for how long now? You would think that with the wide spread of Internet access in the world and the "greatly" endowed fellows who are eager to put their dicks on display (or would want to put somebody else's "ginormous" dick they have captured through pic or video on display), would have produced a legitimate measument of 11 inches or more lol. Until, legitimate pictorial evidence is provided for these 11 inch + claims, I will keep on believing in normal distribution. It is biologically unnecessary, for a male homosapien to physically have that of a 11 inch dick or longer, evolution only occurs when something anatomically needs to be drastically changed for our own survival; and from what I see, male homosapiens don't need any changing at the current moment (especially since our females aren't changing, as in their vaginas aren't deeper like a horses or other female mammals that require extremely long dicks, i.e 11 inches plus). If there were "possibly" that of 11 inchers in the world, I'd place my bet on a existing range of absolute zero upwards to 3 max (don't ask why 3, its just a number I thought I'd settle on due to fairness, and as for anything longer than 11, let's say 12 or longer, I'd say their existence is non existent and are 100% in the range of absolute zero, and will remain that way for YEARS, extra emphasis on YEARS). Taking people's word in this day in age, is meaningless, we no longer live in a time of unquestionable faith and belief (besides that of religion), we now live in a time of facts and evidence, and if you can't provide either, then your full of shit. And orgies or bath houses or whatever the fuck you participate in, have no meaning or value whatsoever, not unless you've posted pics of you legitimately and correctly measuring their cocks (don't trust depth of site, it's never what you think it is, and btw, the measument must be done with a hard ruler perpendicular to the penis, and not pushing into fat pad), which you obviously haven't.