Van Jones Resigns

[Ericsson1228d]

Read Chomsky.

His stuff makes much better toilet paper than reading material.

 

[B_Enough_for_Me]

Liberals like Sargon and Vinyl are simple minded. Defend the left and all its positions at all cost no matter what the truth is and if you get cornered and cant get out, yell "RASCISM" and "HOMOPHOBIA" as loud as you can.

I think you're the only one that thinks that. *eyes roll*

 

[B_Enough_for_Me]

Read Chomsky.

Why?

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Uh, I created the thread so its about whatever the fuck i say its about. And if you read the original post again, its about Van Jones AND the liberal media's ommission of the story until his resignation.

So, you're ADMITTING that you're purposely trying to take a news story and turn it into a lame, "liberal vs. conservative" shout fest? Gee, what a way to prove my point without even trying.

Nobody should EVER take what comes out of your mouth seriously. Your posts are so intentionally mendacious that your opinions on ANY serious matter should be disregarded as anything factual. Before you even try to point out and demonize the bias in anyone or anything else, check your damned self.

 

[Zeuhl34]

Uh, I created the thread so its about whatever the fuck i say its about.

No. That is not how threads work. You pick the starting topic, but interpretation and where the conversation leads is up to those who reply.

 

[blurijdad]

Ashcroft was nonetheless confirmed by Congress whereas none of Obama's two dozen plus "czars" have been. Evidently the supposedly stringent vetting by the "most transparent administration ever" failed as well.

AND John Ashcroft was elected by the good people of Missouri as their senator before he headed the Justice Department. - true vetting

Has Eric Holder been elected to anything? Now that dude is scary calling
us race cowards. Talk about a coward, Holder won't even prosecute some Black Panthers that intimidated voters at polling booths in the last election.

liberalism is a mental disorder
no one hates more than a liberal hater

 

[cameltoelover]

His stuff makes much better toilet paper than reading material.

I guess Hannity, Rush, and Beck are more at your intellectual level.

 

[b.c.]

...Holder won't even prosecute some Black Panthers that intimidated voters at polling booths in the last election....

LOL...so the entire outcome of the election was changed by a couple of hoods (alleged "Black Panthers") hanging out at polling booths and scaring the bejeezus out of voters, allegedly. ROTFLMFAO

Maybe you feel they should also prosecute those Republican campaign workers who reportedly lied to vast numbers of voters, telling them that they were supposed to vote the day after, and who threatened Hispanic citizens of the United States with deportation (as reported in many news outlets...well, perhaps not Fox... on Election Day):

Latino News|Tag Archive|GOP Scandal

 

[B_VinylBoy]

blurijdad: Can you find a story where Black Panthers actually stood at places where people could vote and scared people away, please? You know, a chance to prove your claims before I call you out for talking a bunch of nonsense.

Chris Rock was right... as soon as Middle Eastern people were no longer the "hated people" of this country, it's going to be back to business as usual.

 

[deleted15807]

Maybe you feel they should also prosecute those Republican campaign workers who reportedly lied to vast numbers voters, telling them that they were supposed to vote the day after, and who threatened Hispanic citizens of the United States with deportation (as reported in many news outlets...well, perhaps not Fox... on Election Day):

Latino News|Tag Archive|GOP Scandal

Same thing happened in Virginia:

A flier circulating in parts of the Virginia 2nd said incorrectly that Republicans and Republican-leaning independent voters should vote November 4 and that Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents should vote November 5. The flier claimed the separate dates for voting by party were enacted by the Virginia Legislature to ease the strain on the polls.

Virginia Election Board Counters Attempts to Mislead Voters
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[Ericsson1228d]

LOL...so the entire outcome of the election was changed by a couple of hoods (alleged "Black Panthers") hanging out at polling booths and scaring the bejeezus out of voters, allegedly. ROTFLMFAO

That really sounds like a RACIST remark. I mean, referring to the fine upstanding "Black Panthers" as common hoods? Please!

 

[b.c.]

That really sounds like a RACIST remark. I mean, referring to the fine upstanding "Black Panthers" as common hoods? Please!

You totally miss the point (not surprisingly). I'm suggesting that perhaps the alleged intimidators misrepresented themselves or perhaps the reference to the Panthers is another rightwinged lie (if such an event actually occurred).

Anyone can call themselves "Black Panthers".

 

[Ericsson1228d]

Anyone can call themselves "Black Panthers".

Where I live, this would be akin to someone calling himself a leper or an idiot.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Six hours has passed, and not a single incident shown of the Black Panthers scaring people away from the polls. I really would like to see this. Someone? Anyone??

 

[Ericsson1228d]

Since you asked, here is the Article about it from the Wall Street Journal.

The case was dropped because of the perpetrator's connection to the democratic party. You can argue that wasn't the reason it was dropped, but the connection is clearly there between the black panthers and the dems.

John Fund: Black Panther Voter Intimidation Case Dropped - WSJ.com

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Since you asked, here is the Article about it from the Wall Street Journal.

The case was dropped because of the perpetrator's connection to the democratic party. You can argue that wasn't the reason it was dropped, but the connection is clearly there between the black panthers and the dems.

John Fund: Black Panther Voter Intimidation Case Dropped - WSJ.com

And here's the next problem.
There's no way we can discuss or even debate this because you have it set in your mind that somehow the Black Panthers and Democrats have made some secret pact together. And as a black man, I can honestly look at you and say with 100% certainty that you have drank the Kool-Aid on this one. I really don't want to laugh at you here, but after watching "Amos & Andrew" and seeing this post I can't help it. You can calm down... seriously. You're not going to wake up one day and find that the National Anthem was changed to "Baby Got Back", nor will you lose your job, your rights and your civil freedoms to some street thug named K-Dogg. There is no national conspiracy. Grant it, we may have some bought out politicians and they exist in every political party out there. But just as we don't have to worry about the Government using members of the Ku Klux Klan to take over America, you most certainly don't have to worry about it happening with the Black Panthers. And what did I tell you about editorials & opinion pieces?

Oh, and just to get it out in the open I've also seen the video on YouTube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU

It's amazing how we can have people go to presidential rallies with guns and they're "exercising their civil rights", meanwhile we have a scared person with a camera phone acting as if two black men standing in front of a building, one holding a stick, and they're apparently not talking to passersby or preventing anyone from going into or out of the building means a threat to white voters. ESPECIALLY when two white people walk out of the building at the very end of the clip, seemingly unharmed and unaffected. But yeah, this has "liberal conspiracy" written all over it. They want you to replace turkey with Pig's Feet as the official food of Thanksgiving.


And this just in... here's another one of those so-called undercover, exclusive videos of "outrage": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFOKnJ0oXYY&feature=related

Police were called in to disrupt the craziness. Black Panthers are stopping people from voting, right? Apparently all of this didn't affect the elderly woman (also white) from walking right by all of the madness, and going right into the building. Please understand why I find all of this to be rather hysterical. Some people really overreact over the most silliest of things. And all it takes is for a few people of power & stature to overreact equally and you get this. Chicken Little Syndrome all over again.

 

[Ericsson1228d]

And here's the next problem.
There's no way we can discuss or even debate this because you have it set in your mind that somehow the Black Panthers and Democrats have made some secret pact together.

No, no secret pact. From the article: "it was learned one of the defendants who walked was Jerry Jackson, a member of Philadelphia's 14th Ward Democratic Committee and a credentialed poll watcher for the Democratic Party last Election Day."



And as a black man, I can honestly look at you and say with 100% certainty that you have drank the Kool-Aid on this one.

Oh, well if I have it in your authority, as a black man, I'll just shut up. I didn't realize that your race made you all-knowing.

I really don't want to laugh at you here, but after watching "Amos & Andrew" and seeing this post I can't help it. You can calm down... seriously. You're not going to wake up one day and find that the National Anthem was changed to "Baby Got Back", nor will you lose your job, your rights and your civil freedoms to some street thug named K-Dogg. There is no national conspiracy. Grant it, we may have some bought out politicians and they exist in every political party out there. But just as we don't have to worry about the Government using members of the Ku Klux Klan to take over America, you most certainly don't have to worry about it happening with the Black Panthers. And what did I tell you about editorials & opinion pieces?

Oh, and just to get it out in the open I've also seen the video on YouTube.
YouTube - "Security" patrols stationed at polling places in Philly

It's amazing how we can have people go to presidential rallies with guns and they're "exercising their civil rights",

Nobody "went to" a presidential rally with a gun. Get your facts straight. That would be illegal. The people depicted with guns in those clips were abiding by the law, on private property, away from an area that had been secured by the secret service, otherwise they would have been arrested.

meanwhile we have a scared person with a camera phone acting as if two black men standing in front of a building, one holding a stick, and they're apparently not talking to passersby or preventing anyone from going into or out of the building means a threat to white voters.

A stick. Okay. We'll say Rodney King was beaten with a 'hickory switch' then. Also, why would those men need a stick? I realize they may be trying to maintain a racial stereotype of having a predilection toward violence, but maybe you should have a word with them about that.

ESPECIALLY when two white people walk out of the building at the very end of the clip, seemingly unharmed and unaffected. But yeah, this has "liberal conspiracy" written all over it. They want you to replace turkey with Pig's Feet as the official food of Thanksgiving.


And this just in... here's another one of those so-called undercover, exclusive videos of "outrage": YouTube - EJ Exclusive - Police Respond to Intimidation

Police were called in to disrupt the craziness. Black Panthers are stopping people from voting, right? Apparently all of this didn't affect the elderly woman (also white) from walking right by all of the madness, and going right into the building. Please understand why I find all of this to be rather hysterical. Some people really overreact over the most silliest of things. And all it takes is for a few people of power & stature to overreact equally and you get this. Chicken Little Syndrome all over again.

So you think their behavior was perfectly reasonable? I have yet to hear a reason why they were there? Even if they didn't stop people from voting, the intimidation is illegal. So why where they there with their "sticks"? Talk about drinking the Kool-Aid. Can you give me one legitimate reason why they were there? If you answer is anything but "intimidation," then I can tell you, as a white man, that you are either so blind, or are being deliberately facetious to extend the debate. I'm sorry, but I can anyone else come up with a reason?

 

[dreamer20]

*A stick in the singular Ericsson & not the plural*

The incident which involved two Panthers was discussed in this thread VB:

http://www.lpsg.org/108598-get-ready-2.html

Of the two men in question the one bearing a nightstick, who claimed to be security, was the one that most concerned the nervous creators of youtube video "A". Subsequently the male in youtube video "B" phoned the police and stated that billy club wielding black panthers had blocked the door to the polling place and intimidated him. When the police came they received testimony contrary to what was claimed, where witnesses stated the panthers did not block the poll entrance. However the police said that one cannot be at the polling station with a nightstick and away went that particular gentleman and his stick.

Video "A"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neGbKHyGuHU

Video "B"
YouTube - Black Panthers Cause Problems In Philadelphia

 

[B_VinylBoy]

So you think their behavior was perfectly reasonable?

It doesn't have to be "perfectly reasonable"... in the same way that it wasn't "perfectly reasonable" for people to go to Town Hall Meetings & Presidential Rallies armed with firearms, (which BTW I did have an issue with but that's due to my own personal issues with people and their need to show off their guns to everyone).

I have yet to hear a reason why they were there? Even if they didn't stop people from voting, the intimidation is illegal.

The video clearly shows people of different races, ages and sexes completely unaffected by their presence going in and out of the building so the claim of intimidation is not justified here. These two men were not doing anything illegal. Besides, it's hard to have this argument when you can clearly see a white, elderly woman go on about her business and into the building even with the two black men and the cops there. Scarrrrrry! She must be one tough broad!

So why where they there with their "sticks"?

Incorrect, sir. Only one had a billy club. Pay attention to the videos, please.

Talk about drinking the Kool-Aid.

Yeah. what flavor were you drinking? :biggrin1:

Can you give me one legitimate reason why they were there? If you answer is anything but "intimidation," then I can tell you, as a white man, that you are either so blind, or are being deliberately facetious to extend the debate.

Sorry, but my husband (also a white male) saw these videos and thought the same thing as I. Also, to suggest that they didn't have a right to be out there is also incorrect because it's not as if where they were standing was private property. The question really should be, why were YOU afraid? Why did YOU see something wrong with this? Did YOU think they were going to start beating up on someone? I thought we got over of the "evil man" on the street corner stuff? Apparently not.

I'm sorry, but I can anyone else come up with a reason?

Again, why should anyone have to make an excuse for these men? It's not as if you'd accept or believe them anyhow. The cameraman came to the conclusion that these people, because of the way they looked and what they were carrying, were problems and he wanted them removed so he can feel safer about walking into a building that even an elderly lady could walk into with no fear or problems.

I'm not saying this directly to you but as a general observation. People should stop looking for a problem and just go on about their business. One thing I have learned being a black guy from "both sides of the fence", whether it be walking through my own neighborhood in the city or in the suburbs, is that when you don't look for trouble you usually don't find any. It's not always the rule, as there's bound to be some rare exceptions to it. But the only people that seem to be bothered with their presence were the ones with the video cameras. And they caused the drama. Do a silly hack-n-slash on YouTube & blog it. Insert biased, opinionated interpretation from both sides. Shake, stir and watch unnecessary tension flare up. It's the same old typical formula that proves we still have a long way to go before we all are fully accepting of one another.

 

[VeeP]

Has Eric Holder been elected to anything?

Don't believe so, but during the Clinton years he served as Deputy AG under Janet Reno and favored the pardon of Marc Rich. Now there's a gold star on his resumé...