I ordered them off of ebay about six months ago becuase they were cheaper. They didnt show any results for me after 2 months so I stoped taking them and ordered vig-rx plus, and used it for 2 months and nothing happened so I gave up on the pill idea and started using my own techniques. I did get a complete refund from vig-rx though, so if you are thinking about trying something, I just put it on my credit card tried it and then they refunded it right back onto my card so I really didnt waste any money, except on the vimax because I got it on ebay.