Virgina Ultrasound Bill Passes

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And these are the same people that are aghast at the way Muslim countries treat women!
 

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The ultrasound is not medically necessary for an abortion procedure except where there is a rare or extraordinary condition that merits it.

The right to lifers want the woman to be confronted with superfluous evidence that there is a viable embryo or in their view, a "life" within her womb, so she makes "informed consent" to proceed with the pregnancy or abort. They are betting that it will dissuade some women from aborting, if they have more visceral awareness.
 
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The ultrasound is not medically necessary for an abortion procedure except where there is a rare or extraordinary condition that merits it.

The right to lifers want the woman to be confronted with superfluous evidence that there is a viable embryo or in their view, a "life" within her womb, so she makes "informed consent" to proceed with the pregnancy or abort. They are betting that it will dissuade some women from aborting, if they have more visceral awareness.

This seems like a stupid idea. I can't imagine anyone deciding to get an abortion without agonizing over whether or not to keep the baby first. If someones getting an abortion they've probably thougth about it a lot and decided it's the best course of action.
 

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..Apparently..Not so fast everyone. According to Maureen Dowd's column in this morning's paper,"...public outages has paused the bill..".A democrat delegate called the plan, "legal rape".
 

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I can't believe people would support that. What is the actual point of forcing a woman or girl who already made a really tough decision to go through an even more emotional process. It really makes me mad.
 

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I have met more than a few women who have had an abortion, and not one of them did not agonize over the decision. The resentment they harbor is that right-to-lifers think that they went to the clinic, did the roto-rooter and then went buy a pair of shoes. Ridiculous!

This is a perfectly legal procedure that has been tangled by so much religious red tape that it's ugly. It's not enough that someone has to make the very difficult to end an unwanted pregnancy, but to tolerate or run the maze that the nut jobs have put up should be illegal.

Stay out of my womb and I'll get off your ass.
 

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Since the Republicans had the presidency, the House, and the Senate for eight years and didn't do this nonsense back then, I don't think that this bill will ever be implemented.
 

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^^ Yeah you're right but you're missing my point. During the eight years Bush Jr. was president the Republicans had complete control of both the House and the Senate and though they were so against abortion, NOTHING was ever done about it and now the governor himself has started to back away from the bill a bit. Even though the bill passed, it's not set in stone.
 
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They hadn't thought of it yet.

These ultrasound bills have been quietly passing in red states for the past few years now. Texas just recently passed one, so have some others.

The timing of this one was just right (with the furor over the contraceptive insurance) for it to hit the mainstream media.
 

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^^ Perfect timing??? They've had the opportunity for EIGHT years to make abortion illegal in every state and they didn't do it. My point is that if they really wanted this done, they would've done the eight years they were in control.
 
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^^ Perfect timing??? They've had the opportunity for EIGHT years to make abortion illegal in every state and they didn't do it. My point is that if they really wanted this done, they would've done the eight years they were in control.

*sigh* Apparently reading comprehension isn't your friend.

They didn't implement this legislation when they had control of the government because they hadn't come up with the idea yet.

They came up with it recently and have been implementing it recently at the state level. It's up to 7 states now where legislation is in force requiring women to have an Ultrasound before obtaining an abortion.

The "perfect timing" was in reference to liberals, not conservatives. The timing of the virginia bill, with contraception fresh in the national news stream because of Obama's health care law, was such that the Virginia Bill made the national news cycle rather than being limited to Virginia. 6 other states have already managed to quietly pass this same legislation.

Please, if you're going to *try* and debate in here, work on your reading skills.

Edit: Correction, there are actually 3 more states which require ultrasounds, but 2 of those state's laws are unenforecable because they're tied up in court. They required the women to view the ultrasound image in addition to requiring the ultrasound itself and they were sued.

States which require women seeking an abortion to have an ultrasound first: Alabama, Arizona, Florida, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Virginia
States which require women seeking an abortion to have an ultrasound first, and to view the image: North Carolina (unenforcable pending court case), Oklahoma (unenforcable pending court case), Texas.

10 states (including Virginia), all of them red states, all of these laws fairly recently enacted. Please don't fucking tell us that the same GOP which has passed this legislation in TEN STATES so far doesn't want to try to pass it at the national level as well.
 
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