Vise-grips

Discussion in 'Politics' started by pym, Dec 9, 2008.

  1. pym

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    Another American institution going to China......Good-bye forever. But hey,...... think of the cost savings on your next pair you purchase at WAL-MART. I'd like to know if anyone here knows where an American made baseball can be purchased anymore...I've certainly looked to no avail.....Who care's right? Inquiring minds want to concentrate on OBAMA's Birth certificate.....Thats whats fucking important. EHhhh?

    Workers sorry Vise-Grip plant moving to China - Local business- msnbc.com
     
  2. Principessa

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    They shoulda been more stubborn. I wonder if the workers pensions were covered before the sell-out? Often they aren't. :irked: :mad:
     
  3. pym

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    It is breaking my heart, what is happening to this country.....I have done everything possible as a single entity to prevent this exact thing from occuring...But i feel terribly alone amongst a tide of apathetic countrymen.
     
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    It's hypocrisy in it's finest...

    We see politicians (esp Obama) tell us about affordability, yet get angry when jobs move overseas. And we're PROMISED about creating American jobs.

    What are you going to force or penalize WalMart or any other business for that matter, for charging less on a Chinese made cheese grater vs. an American one? Laughable. Here's a better one... tariffs across the board.

    You don't even need to move overseas... look at foreign automakers building the same cars for 2/3 the labor cost, and not strapped by unions.

    I've seen this before in the late 70s/early 80s. This "forced" American good/labor rhetoric.

    Now if China and/or India made pre-fab houses...
     
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    Yes raising Foreign tariffs especally with the countries who use child labor. More commericals urgeing US citizens to buy more products made in the USA, with the Unions funding those commericals.
     
  6. Phil Ayesho

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    face... you canlt just be a naysayer...

    SHOW ME HOW IT GETS ANY BETTER.


    You make anti tariff and duty whines.... but you neglect the FACT that free market economics and deregulation have brought this on.

    In good economics time, the primary cause of business failures is MISMANAGED GROWTH... not lack of sales.

    You can not allow corporate boards to make themselves rich buy offshoring Jobs faster than new jobs are created...

    Then you find yourself trapped in a situation where you HAVE to seek ever cheaper goods because Americans real buying power is steadily in decline.

    The Solution is MANAGED growth... MANAGED globalization and REGULATED markets.

    When China will not allow US goods into their country unless heavily tariffed... that is the Chinese economists being a lot smarter than American economists and protecting their currency and their people's jobs.


    Unfortunately... CEOs tend to be myopic greedy fucks who only think about THEIR bonus and their parachute, failing to plan for a future for the American people.

    They really don't give a damn if they make billions selling to Americans, or selling to the Chinese and letting Americans starve.

    It is up top government to consider the long term benefit to the US population... and plan accordingly... Up to government to rein in corporate excess and incentivze the agenda that will most benefit the citizenry.

    Every Corporate handoutee should be required to take extensive schooling in Civics and ethics.

    Like traffic school....
     
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    That... is a good thing.

    A very oversimplified take, but I'll allow it for the point of your premise. One of the largest companies in the world at the turn of the 20th century was the dominant US felt manufacturer. Well run, took care of their employees. Felt fell out of favor.

    the board of directors are hired for a main purpose... ensure shareholder value. if you have a problem with that, I'm not sure what I can do for you.




    Why, cause the US government is so good at it? (sarcasm)

    You are giving Chinese economists too much credit.. but agree there is a heavier tariff on US-to-China goods. But.. keep in mind.. these aren't 99% of what fills the aisles of WalMart.

    They are hired for shareholder value. We've (i.e. you) have been bitching about CEO payrolls for 3 or 4 decades now.. yet they are going up. Even your most "modern, liberal" companies... i.e. Google, Yahoo!, etc... play the game. There must be more to it... don't you think?


    As an American consumer... I don't care if my spatula is fucking made on Neptune... it flips an egg at 1/3 the cost. I can use that money to spend more on domestic services.

    You are tip-toe'ing around socialist ideology.



    I've worked with some of the most ethically minded companies in the United States... in the end... they need to remain profitable and competitive.. otherwise, there's a smaller fish, who will take away their food.

    Prevention/limitation/whatever from allowing them to do that is just plain communist/socialist.

    I see your point, honestly I do.. but it's pure evil, manifested in good intentions under the guise of keeping alleged greed in check.
     
  8. B_starinvestor

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    Our deal with China stipulated that they would lend us money if we agreed to buy their products. YOUR democratic party is financing this bailout extravaganza and China is our bank.

    What do you propose? Will your graphics design company go out of business on principal because it buys ink and paper from Arkansas at 4x the price you can get it from overseas?

    You can keep bitching about deregulation, but I will bet good money that you think you can run a graphics business better than the government. Am I wrong?

    Phil, cool it with your de-reg rants. I could hand pick 5 Wall Street losers that could embarrass the fuck out of any gov't employee inside of 5 minutes on economics.

    The gov't got their greasy hands into the mortgage market and we are all fucked. ALL FUCKED. If they hadn't intervened, we would be fine.

    The government needs to stay the hell out of business. If they stay the hell out, we don't have these GD problems. Period.
     
  9. No_Strings

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    This just in: The Cold War is over.
    More at 11.
     
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    Thanks for the update. I almost forgot what happened in the 80's. Did Alex ever move out of his parents' house in Family Ties?
     
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    quite know the feeling

    manufacturing is the basis of wealth creation; with that gone, we are left with a service economy, stagnant wages, and diminished opportunities

    predominating there, is financial services, hence the severe distribution of wealth discrepancies we are beginning to see, and which are inimical to true democracy

    not only that, the wealth begins to be amassed in places like the PRC, which uses it to implement strategies that include targeting the USA with nuclear and other weaponry from land, sea, and space

    even emerging super-powers such as India, which had initially articulated a space program exclusively for peaceful purposes, have to, in response to the chinese militarization of space, likewise plan and engineer for space-based military applications
     
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    You only have to look at Australia's economy to see the same things: We don't export or manufacture much of anything and, therefore our economy is too dependant on the rest of the world.

    We've also got the problem that no one wants to do a 'menial' job... see a bit of that in the US but not to the extent we do here in Oz. There is work here but no one wants to do it. Then we see heaps of work being outsourced because of the lazy fuckers asking too much for their labor... At that point, I don't have a lot of sympathy for the local job seekers when they complain that our phone centres are now in India cuz they didn't want to do the job anyway.

    Can ya tell I'm a small business owner??? :rolleyes:
     
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    most folk in these parts are ok with penalizing you... but a handful feel for you. hang in there.
     
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    Man, if you were adjacent to Mexico things would be even worse. Menial jobs? The Mehicanos nail it. If you were in the horseracing business [I am, but not Derby type stuff] you would understand that the entire industry would collapse were it not for Mexicans. Nobody else will accept those jobs.
     
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    like the dudes in the carriage?

    it's like CART, or professional lacrosse, or the WNBA...

    they could ALL die in a horrific plane crash, and the sporting world would move on, without noticing, save the lone 5 or 6 ppl following the ticker on a 3rd and 14 play by _____ in the hunt for the p'offs.

    seriously?
     
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    you will not see any change from all of Washington.

    every politician in the executive and legislative branch is paid of by the to 50 top companies. the only moral compass those folks have is the dollar. and we all know how much a dollar is worth theese days!



    something from the movie, Network
    There is no democracy

    "You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale... and I won't have it!
    Is that clear?
    You think you merely stopped a business deal.
    That is not the case.
    The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of this country... and now they must put it back!
    It is ebb and flow, tidal gravity. It is ecological balance!
    You are an old man... who thinks in terms of nations and peoples.
    There are no nations. There are no peoples.
    There are no Russians. There are no Arabs.
    There are no Third Worlds. There is no West.
    There is only one holistic system of systems!
    One vast and immane, interwoven, interacting, multi-variant, multinational dominion of dollars!

    Petrol dollars, electro dollars, multi-dollars.
    Reichsmarks, rins, rubles, pounds and shekels!
    It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet.
    That is the natural order of things today.
    That is the atomic, and subatomic, and galactic structure of things today.
    And you have meddled with the primal forces of nature!
    And you will atone!
    Am I getting through to you?
    You get up on your little 21-inch screen and howl about America and democracy.
    There is no America.
    There is no democracy.
    There is only IBM and ITT, and AT&T, and Du Pont, Dow, Union Carbide and Exxon.
    Those are the nations of the world today.
    What do you think the Russians talk about in their councils of state? Karl Marx?
    They get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, minimax solutions and compute price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, like we do.
    We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale.
    The world is a college of corporations... inexorably determined by the... immutable bylaws of business.
    The world is a business, Mr. Beale."

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzSj1yNZdY8



    All of our live are utterly USELESS. REPLACEABLE. MASS SHEEP FOR THE FEEDING
     
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    No carts, mostly geldings and fillies. Most exhilarating feeling...your 3-yr old running post-to-post...driving the final furlong to win by a nose...and pridefully striding into the winners circle...bourbon in hand, petting your proud winner.

    The vet bills suck real bad, but there's nothing like it.:cool: Raced my babies at Mountaineer, Churchill, Keeneland, Santa Anita, Finger Lakes, Beulah, (Waffle House of Racetracks, but when they suck they suck) and River Downs.
     
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    Trifecta!
     
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