great thing abut the "y" was the opportunity to indulge in fantasy. Way back in time I did a one in NY and ouch that was wild, plus normal guys would come in just to see what it was like and hey presto, in the anonymous "y" they could give in and try forbidden fruit. Used the place for a whole week and hardly saw daylight but had some great experiences in traducing guys in suits to guy on guy sex, and hey, were they willing to learn and indulge before going back to the world of suits.