Vive La Streisand!

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Then to the greater gay male population women like Streisand, Garland, Crawford, represent a piece of them.

Of course, there are other famous women who belong in the Gay Icon Hall of Fame as well: Bette Davis, Bette Midler, Eartha Kitt, Diana Ross, Marilyn Monroe, Grace Jones, Gloria Gaynor, Marlene Dietrich, Edith Piaf, Blossom Dearie . . . whom have I forgotten?
 

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Ah well let's hope they all had nine inch cocks to give them some worth.

*GASP* I've seen em! :biggrin1: lol I've several HOM-boys that are well endowed and not afraid to show it off to their good female friends. *the luckiest goil* They don't know who Streisand is, but their tent rods certainly jut out as far as her nose does.

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. . . whom have I forgotten?

you've included almost all of any real talent. I'd add Minelli to a degree and perhaps La Liz.

My own old standard gay male female icon is Audrey Hepburn for sheer aristocratic bearing, beauty, and humanitarian effort.

But I want to subtract Hanson (whoever she is) and Britney Spears from NIC's gay icon list. What self-respecting homo likes Britney? HUH?:eek:
 

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Well, my mom used to play Barbara Streisand records when I was a little boy. I am a straight guy that actually likes Barbara, her music is incredible... I am partial to her seventies stuff though. I used to look at the Superman cover when I was a little boy and fantasize about her legs in those short shorts... yes I used to think she was hot... I since have a bit of a weakness for jewish women... oy vey iz mir!
 

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you've included almost all of any real talent. I'd add Minelli to a degree and perhaps La Liz.

My own old standard gay male female icon is Audrey Hepburn for sheer aristocratic bearing, beauty, and humanitarian effort.

Agreed. Liza, Liz and Audrey belong on the list. I think we should include Tallulah Bankhead, Doris Day, Debbie Reynolds, Mary Tyler Moore and Ann-Margret as well. And let's toss in Nancy Sinatra for camp value. And no Britney Fucking Spears!
 

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Of course, there are other famous women who belong in the Gay Icon Hall of Fame as well: Bette Davis, Bette Midler, Eartha Kitt, Diana Ross, Marilyn Monroe, Grace Jones, Gloria Gaynor, Marlene Dietrich, Edith Piaf, Blossom Dearie . . . whom have I forgotten?

Cher ? Cyndi Lauper ? Mae West ? Liza Minelli ? Judy Garland !
 

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Agreed. Liza, Liz and Audrey belong on the list. I think we should include Tallulah Bankhead, Doris Day, Debbie Reynolds, Mary Tyler Moore and Ann-Margret as well. And let's toss in Nancy Sinatra for camp value. And no Britney Fucking Spears!


YES!

Tallulah Bankhead is a serious omission. So's the camp value of Nancy Sinatra - agreed.

Who the fuck thinks gay men like Britney Spears??? Fuck I'll take Christina Aguilera any day over that Spears girl.

And while we're on the topic of camp value I think Cher belongs in this category too. She's visually fun but even the songbird/actress will admit willingly that her singing ability is limited at best.

And speaking of CAMP?

Silly boys!! What about TAMMY FAYE????:biggrin1:

I just love me some Tammy Faye.
 

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Cher ? Cyndi Lauper ? Mae West ? Liza Minelli ? Judy Garland !

And for sheer vocal power, none other than Whitney Houston. Hated the syrupy sweetness of most of her hits, but loved the range, color, and power of her voice.

Wish she'd have a career again and get better songs.

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And while we're on the topic of camp value I think Cher belongs in this category too. She's visually fun but even the songbird/actress will admit willingly that her singing ability is limited at best.

Cher definitely belongs on the list. Limited singing ability, yeah . . . but she is the only woman to have number one hits in four different decades. That's a noteworthy achievement. And she can definitely act. I can respect Cher.

What about TAMMY FAYE????

A serious oversight. Of course she belongs. All that make-up and her partnership with Jm J. Bullock . . . she's practically an honorary drag queen.

Another member of the sisterhood: Patti LaBelle. Don't you think? She even refers to her beaded gowns and pumps as her "drag".
 

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Yes Patti LaBelle is the bomb.

Met her when I was in college and working in Hyannis (she was performing at the Melody Tent) and she was staying at the hotel. She'd gotten something in her eye ("from using all that damned cheap Maybeline shit!") and I sat with her while the ambulance came to take her to the emergency room at the Cape Cod Hospital.

Next day there was a thank you note from her which I still have "to that handsome waiter in the dining room who was so kind to me":cool:

She's the real thing that woman.

I would have added Donna Summer to the list but she gets banished for gay bashing :mad: :rolleyes: that ungrateful beyotch.

Met Jackie O too several times does she count? :33:
 

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NIC, maybe it's the GOWNS that some of these gals wear... I dunno.

None of the above-mentioned "gay icons" do much for me. Yes, I appreciate Babs' talent, but I personally do not own a single one of her recordings.

My partner "collects" several of the "gay divas." Most of them, their music (voice, band, music choice) drives me out to work in the yard. Madonna markets herself well. Cher isn't much of a musician, but she was an entertainer. To my ear, Whitney and most especially Mariah sound like banshees. Judy Garland had a wonderful voice and talent early on, but her "jazzier" stuff was awful, especially when she was trying to "belt it out." (I saw a biography of her, though, and it was poignant...)

I still say the best voice I've heard in years is k. d. lang. She can't pull off being a diva, though.
 

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I mean, how is it about overcoming adversity?
Perhaps like trying to sing, could that her challenge? Certainly listening to her for more than a minute would be a greater triumph over adversity.

In my completely uneducated view, she is a straight woman earning a living as a drag queen, and not a very good one at that.

In fact I'd suggest there are probably a dozen drag queens who sing better, look better, and have more musical talent. Not that I would know much about that either.

John Simon suggested that "She looks like a cross between an aardvark and an albino rat surmounted by a platinum-coated horse bun".

But Village Voice summed her up with the description of "A Star is Born":

A bore is starred

As for the Vive la Streisand bit, the trauma delivered to my ears around 1983 is still something that I am trying to kill.

Now Dolly, she is an artist. I am always amazed she can play the guitar with those finger nails, that gal has real talent!​
 

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Talent.

I believe many of us hear and sense differently than heterosexual males.

If you watched that video and don't get the talent (the once in a lifetime kind) that's inherent in that woman's singing voice there is no possible way I can explain it to you.

Watching and listening to bubba streisand is extremely excruciating. I've never heard anyone with such a poor voice and equally poor stage presence. Her icon status amongst gay men totally amazes me. How anyone could be attracted to such schlock is simply incomprehensible. this is all coming from a very open, very happy gay male.
 

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Of course, there are other famous women who belong in the Gay Icon Hall of Fame as well: Bette Davis, Bette Midler, Eartha Kitt, Diana Ross, Marilyn Monroe, Grace Jones, Gloria Gaynor, Marlene Dietrich, Edith Piaf, Blossom Dearie . . . whom have I forgotten?


I honestly don't understand why there's such a need for gay icons. Sure, I enjoy some of the singers you've mentioned, Edith Piaf and Marlene Dietrich both have great voices. However, why do gay men feel the need to slobber all over the feet of female singers and actresses? I've just never understood it. Yeah, back in the day, it was great to dance to some of the music of the others you've mentioned, but it's just dance music, for gawd's sake!!!

Anyone who thinks Marilyn Monroe was remotely sexy needs a lobotomy. She was little more than a statue created by Hollywood designers. At least Edith Piaf was her own woman.
 

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Watching and listening to bubba streisand is extremely excruciating. I've never heard anyone with such a poor voice and equally poor stage presence. Her icon status amongst gay men totally amazes me. How anyone could be attracted to such schlock is simply incomprehensible. this is all coming from a very open, very happy gay male.

'bubba' ?

While I'd not insult your taste personally I understand from what you write you don't like her singing. That's fine.

But kindly respect that fact that I do as I've outlined here please.

Perhaps you just generally have no real appreciation for quality female voices truth be told. Or do you actually like an entertainer's female singing voice but refrained from mentioning same?

In your overt attempt at undoing this thread premise to make it into a "fags who like Streisand" versus those 'very happy gay' ones who don't I'd respectfully ask you whose voice you do like?

And again. Please understand that my intent in opening this particular thread was to make a lighthearted topic about something some of us have in common.

I saw no really good reason to assasinate her talent as you just have chico. You profess to be a 'happy gay man' ... your post sounded angry and agenda-filled.

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Now Dolly, she is an artist. I am always amazed she can play the guitar with those finger nails, that gal has real talent!

I like Dolly well enough but she seems "dragish" to me.

And as for her singing voice? I find it lightweight and without any real power. She does however have an endearing quality to her person that makes up for what I consider a decided lack in singing ability.

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I honestly don't understand why there's such a need for gay icons. Sure, I enjoy some of the singers you've mentioned, Edith Piaf and Marlene Dietrich both have great voices. However, why do gay men feel the need to slobber all over the feet of female singers and actresses? I've just never understood it. Yeah, back in the day, it was great to dance to some of the music of the others you've mentioned, but it's just dance music, for gawd's sake!!!

'for gawd's sake!!!'

Chill. It's just something some of us are passionate about. You seem almost embarassed by it.:rolleyes:

'schlock' is a good thing. I love overt seductive and manipulative sentiment and slobber willingly at the beauty of real talent and raw talent.

Do you think this phenomenon defines us all somehow?

Look chico- I won't instruct your taste and you won't instruct mine.

Seems like a plan.
 

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Perhaps you just generally have no real appreciation for quality female voices truth be told. Or do you actually like an entertainer's female singing voice but refrained from mentioning same?

In your overt attempt at undoing this thread premise to make it into a "fags who like Streisand" versus those 'very happy gay' ones who don't I'd respectfully ask you whose voice you do like?

I saw no really good reason to assasinate her talent as you just have chico. You profess to be a 'happy gay man' ... your post sounded angry and agenda-filled.

Do you think this phenomenon defines us all somehow?

My second post states that I do like Edith Piaf and Marlene Dietrich, Ute Lemper also has a beautiful voice. Perhaps I just dislike the overly sentimental and schlockish quality of American singers.

I have no agenda nor anger, just a long standing question why so many gay men feel the need to idolize certain females.

The idolization of certain female singers/actors is not universal amongst gay men as you seem to think it is. Is it not allowed to disagree with your assertion that:

Let me give a shot at the gay man's perspective on the "La Streisand" phenomena generally as I've experienced it and as others like me have explained it to me themselves:

There's the talent of which I spoke. To my musician's ear there's clarity of pitch and control of her instrument (her voice). There's her odd ugly/beauty living simultaneously in her person. That appeals to my overt sense of the aesthetic.

Then to the greater gay male population women like Streisand, Garland, Crawford, represent a piece of them. In them we see women (who were and are a minority) struggling against the odds and winning and succeeding with sheer force of will and drive (and one damned healthy dose of inborn talent).

It seems to me that your assertion is one of a minority of gay men, or perhaps a majority of gay men whose lives are centered around Hollywood, Broadway or music in general. I have absolutely no issue with people who devote their lives to the arts but I do have an issue with people who attempt to paint all gay men with the same brush.