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Then to the greater gay male population women like Streisand, Garland, Crawford, represent a piece of them.
Ah well let's hope they all had nine inch cocks to give them some worth.
. . . whom have I forgotten?
They don't know who Streisand is, but their tent rods certainly jut out as far as her nose does.
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you've included almost all of any real talent. I'd add Minelli to a degree and perhaps La Liz.
My own old standard gay male female icon is Audrey Hepburn for sheer aristocratic bearing, beauty, and humanitarian effort.
Why do gay men like Barbara Streisand so much? I don't get it.
Of course, there are other famous women who belong in the Gay Icon Hall of Fame as well: Bette Davis, Bette Midler, Eartha Kitt, Diana Ross, Marilyn Monroe, Grace Jones, Gloria Gaynor, Marlene Dietrich, Edith Piaf, Blossom Dearie . . . whom have I forgotten?
Agreed. Liza, Liz and Audrey belong on the list. I think we should include Tallulah Bankhead, Doris Day, Debbie Reynolds, Mary Tyler Moore and Ann-Margret as well. And let's toss in Nancy Sinatra for camp value. And no Britney Fucking Spears!
Cher ? Cyndi Lauper ? Mae West ? Liza Minelli ? Judy Garland !
And while we're on the topic of camp value I think Cher belongs in this category too. She's visually fun but even the songbird/actress will admit willingly that her singing ability is limited at best.
What about TAMMY FAYE????
I mean, how is it about overcoming adversity?
Perhaps like trying to sing, could that her challenge? Certainly listening to her for more than a minute would be a greater triumph over adversity.
In my completely uneducated view, she is a straight woman earning a living as a drag queen, and not a very good one at that.
In fact I'd suggest there are probably a dozen drag queens who sing better, look better, and have more musical talent. Not that I would know much about that either.
John Simon suggested that "She looks like a cross between an aardvark and an albino rat surmounted by a platinum-coated horse bun".
But Village Voice summed her up with the description of "A Star is Born":
A bore is starred
As for the Vive la Streisand bit, the trauma delivered to my ears around 1983 is still something that I am trying to kill.
Now Dolly, she is an artist. I am always amazed she can play the guitar with those finger nails, that gal has real talent!
Talent.
I believe many of us hear and sense differently than heterosexual males.
If you watched that video and don't get the talent (the once in a lifetime kind) that's inherent in that woman's singing voice there is no possible way I can explain it to you.
Of course, there are other famous women who belong in the Gay Icon Hall of Fame as well: Bette Davis, Bette Midler, Eartha Kitt, Diana Ross, Marilyn Monroe, Grace Jones, Gloria Gaynor, Marlene Dietrich, Edith Piaf, Blossom Dearie . . . whom have I forgotten?
Watching and listening to bubba streisand is extremely excruciating. I've never heard anyone with such a poor voice and equally poor stage presence. Her icon status amongst gay men totally amazes me. How anyone could be attracted to such schlock is simply incomprehensible. this is all coming from a very open, very happy gay male.
hypolimnas said:Now Dolly, she is an artist. I am always amazed she can play the guitar with those finger nails, that gal has real talent!
chico8 said:I honestly don't understand why there's such a need for gay icons. Sure, I enjoy some of the singers you've mentioned, Edith Piaf and Marlene Dietrich both have great voices. However, why do gay men feel the need to slobber all over the feet of female singers and actresses? I've just never understood it. Yeah, back in the day, it was great to dance to some of the music of the others you've mentioned, but it's just dance music, for gawd's sake!!!
Perhaps you just generally have no real appreciation for quality female voices truth be told. Or do you actually like an entertainer's female singing voice but refrained from mentioning same?
In your overt attempt at undoing this thread premise to make it into a "fags who like Streisand" versus those 'very happy gay' ones who don't I'd respectfully ask you whose voice you do like?
I saw no really good reason to assasinate her talent as you just have chico. You profess to be a 'happy gay man' ... your post sounded angry and agenda-filled.
Do you think this phenomenon defines us all somehow?
Let me give a shot at the gay man's perspective on the "La Streisand" phenomena generally as I've experienced it and as others like me have explained it to me themselves:
There's the talent of which I spoke. To my musician's ear there's clarity of pitch and control of her instrument (her voice). There's her odd ugly/beauty living simultaneously in her person. That appeals to my overt sense of the aesthetic.
Then to the greater gay male population women like Streisand, Garland, Crawford, represent a piece of them. In them we see women (who were and are a minority) struggling against the odds and winning and succeeding with sheer force of will and drive (and one damned healthy dose of inborn talent).