Voter Suppression

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  1. Mensch1351

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    I Googled the theme of this thread and here's a very interesting article I found:
    http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/09/201191883753799660.html

    It comes from Al Jazeera of all places. Often wondered after the 2000 election and then the Bush "touting" of the "Free, Democratic elections" we so gloriously won for the people of Iraq -- that someday, we ourselves might have foreign representatives having to monitor our OWN elections to make sure they are held in a fair manner. I want it noted that historically, THIS issue of the new century has been "specifically" held to the forefront in State after State controlled by Republicans. This "business" of fiddling with election laws in order to dis-enfranchise millions of legitimate voters -- all in the name of "suppressing election fraud" is a strictly Republican agenda. If my statistics are correct, there have been a total of 87 convictions out of almost 300 million ballots cast!!!!

    I know, I know, you conservatives are going to go on and on and on about ACORN (which no longer exists) AND how they beefed up voter roles, etc. HOWEVER ---- those "phantom" people rarely if ever showed up to ACTUALLY vote! The individuals registering bogus people might have gotten paid for padding the rolls -- but when the actual elections took place ---- little if NO fraud at the polls themselves! (Check it out!)

    http://politics.salon.com/2008/04/28/scotus_2/

    You know - with all that money to run ads ad nauseum -- with the US Supreme Court's decision to treat corporations like "individuals" when it comes to political contributions. Why would the Republicans feel a compulsion to "re-write" new election laws to dis-enfrancise? In every State this has happened these new laws intentionally target the poor, the uneducated, the elderly, the young, etc.

    Any opinions on this? Is this happening in YOUR State? How have your laws been re-written?
     
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    You have to have ID in this state to vote. OH THE HORROR.
     
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    Maybe you need to Google "New Black Panther Party" and do your homework about voter intimidation.

    The Obama administration and Eric Holder dropped a case that was essentially won having to do with voter intimidation. I guess it was because it was because they were intimidating people who might not be voting for Obama.

    Does this man with the billyclub look like he might be committing voter intimidation?

    "Security" patrols stationed at polling places in Philly - YouTube
     
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    No no, Klingsor said that case was dropped during the Bush admin, and we shouldn't go looking for the correct date.
     
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    It's one thing to identify voter intimidation (as there was a LOT of in Florida & Virginia and in many States during elections) -- it's another thing to change the LAWS to dis-enfranchise a possible 5 million voters!!
     
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    Because they want to identify the person who is voting?
     
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    The usual bullshit. It's all about making the people whose voices we don't like disappear.

    The Myth of Voter Fraud

    It has been a record year for new legislation designed to make it harder for Democrats to vote — 19 laws and two executive actions in 14 states dominated by Republicans, according to a new study by the Brennan Center for Justice. As a result, more than five million eligible voters will have a harder time participating in the 2012 election.​

    No wonder you approve. One should never be surprised the amount of boogie men the paranoid right wing can drum up. We got buggered into a $3 trillion dollar war to get Saddam who had nothing. Gotta be real easy now to drum yet another mythical enemy. :rolleyes:
     
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    Look all you want. It was the Bush administration, not the Obama, that decided not to pursue criminal charges against the New Black Panthers.

    Bush DOJ decided New Black Panthers no major case

    Manufactured scandal: Right wing's phony allegations against the Justice Department

    Bush DOJ Decided New Black Panthers No Major Case

    Fox News’ Lies – Bush’s Department Of Justice Dropped Panther Case…Not The Obama DOJ!

    THE NEW BLACK PANTHER CASE DROPPED BY THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION
     
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    Sigh. Dead horse...beating...redundancy...you get the picture. :rolleyes:
     
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    So APART from the myth of voter fraud and intimidation ---- how do you think these new laws are actually going to effect the election in 2012?
     
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    HAHA this just proves our point. If it were not for the low-life, drug addicted losers that depend on government handouts, who dont have a driver's license, then the democrats fear that they would never win another elections. I can see why the liberals are screaming about this one, fucking disgraceful losers.

    Thanks Menschy, that's what us conservatives have been arguing all along.
     
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    You mean voters? Yes, Democrats depend on voters.

    Republicans, apparently, depend on excluding voters.
     
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    And yet those "low-life, drug addicted losers that depend on government handouts" STILL have every right to vote in this country just like the low-life I'm responding to. Sorry that makes you so perturbed but you'll get over it. Or not.
     
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    Oh yes, we all know how politically active drug-addicted losers are. And naturally, they're all Democrats.

    A more rational and verifiable conclusion would be that Republicans are afraid that that they'd lose if everyone were able to vote (you know, if society were actually democratic), so they spend millions of dollars trying to make it more difficult to vote. Voter fraud is just a red herring.

    24065, your disrespect for those who disagree with you politically is offensive and your lack of concern for this threat to democracy is troubling. It seems that winning is clearly more important to you than free and fair elections. That's downright despicable.

    It's not just "low-life, drug addicted losers" who are being turned away, but elderly people who no longer drive, or never learned to drive (like both of my grandmothers). One 96 year-old woman was refused a voter ID because she couldn't provide her marriage license--she had be married, and widowed, twice.

    96-year-old Chattanooga resident denied voting ID | timesfreepress.com

    A group of elderly nuns was also turned away.

    Daily Kos: Indiana Voter IDs: They're Blocking NUNS
     
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    As usual another faux issue generated in some right-wing think tank designed to keep the benighted foot soldiers motivated.
    The law in Florida, where the average recipient receives $253 a month for less than five months, is more expansive. It requires applicants to pay for their own drug tests, which the state says costs up to $40, and the state will reimburse those who pass. People who fail the test are disqualified for one year — six months if they receive treatment — and are reported to the Florida abuse hot line. Payments to children can continue through another person, like a grandparent.

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    July, 7,030 passed, 32 failed and 1,597 did not provide results, according to the state. The state said it does not track what drugs caused failures, but elsewhere the vast majority of cases involved marijuana.

    So at $40 a pop for the drug test reimbursed to those who passed, Florida has spent over $280,000 to make sure no one receiving public aid had THC in their urine. And by disqualifying the 32 that failed the test, they have saved the State, a whopping $97,000!


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    Nice try
    I mean nice lie.

    Look at democrats trying to disenfranchise voters.

    disenfranchise military voters - Google Search
     
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    SOLDIERS ARE TERRORISTS!!! lol
     
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    Where did you get the idea that Democrats are trying to disenfranchise voters. I skimmed through several of those articles and I didn't see any claims to that effect. Those articles only indicate that military voters are disenfranchised, not that the Democrats have anything to do with it. An article published by the Heritage Foundation (a conservative think tank) explains that military voters are disenfranchised "both at the state and federal level -- by a voting process that fails to recognize the unique challenges created by a military voter's transitory existence or the delays associated with delivering an absentee ballot to a war zone halfway around the world." But not even the Heritage Foundation blames the Democrats for the problem.

    America's Military Voters: Re-enfranchising the Disenfranchised

    The disenfranchisement of military voters is not a new problem, and it's not one caused by Democrats. There's no evidence to suggest that Democrats are actively trying to pass laws around the country that would make it more difficult for members of the military to vote.

    The Military and Overseas Voter Empowerment (MOVE) Act amends the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act to ensure that absent uniformed services voters and overseas voters are aware of their voting rights and have a genuine opportunity to register to vote and have their absentee ballots cast and counted, and for other purposes. The MOVE Act was sponsored by NY Sen. Charles Schumer (a Democrat) and had 60 co-sponsors in both parties, passed 389-22 with bipartisan support, and was signed into law by President Obama.
     
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    From their actions.

    Did not read very much did you?
    Second link
    » Dem Clerk Who Disenfranchised 1300 Military Voters Has a History of Voter Suppression - Big Government
    Democrat in title.
    (An odd story since he has tried to disenfranchise African Americans)

    Military Voter Protection Project
    Justice Dept. (Headed by Eric Holder - Democrat - Obama Appointee)
    Not enforcing MOVE Act - requiring states to mail out ballots so military can return them on time.
    Many of the states not complying are Democrat controlled
     
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