wanna work for a living? well, the government says FUCK YOU

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that_other_guy said:
I don't know if want to trust the government with any issue of my income...
I like your points, other guy, but I also don't believe that we should let the "free market" dictate wages, which is what I believe many use as an argument against raising the minimum wage. After all, our "free market" contains God-knows-how-many illegal aliens, for whom no minimum wage issue exists...
 

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Matthew said:
History has shown that at times it can in fact change.

Sadly, not yet for good.

Usually thats when:

A: The rich run out of money
And/or
B:They are stark raving mad

At the moment, the people in charge aren't stark raving mad, or running out of money, so I don't see it happening any time soon.
 

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hung9mike said:
I like your points, other guy, but I also don't believe that we should let the "free market" dictate wages, which is what I believe many use as an argument against raising the minimum wage. After all, our "free market" contains God-knows-how-many illegal aliens, for whom no minimum wage issue exists...

Could you elaborate on the illegal aliens involvement in this?
 

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findfirefox said:
Could you elaborate on the illegal aliens involvement in this?
They're a source of cheap labor-- people you can hire and pay "under the table." I see them (perhaps incorrectly, but bear me out) as an enormous labor force willing to work for little or nothing just to remain in this country-- in effect, depressing wages on the low end of the scale because they're willing to work for less, causing the "free market" labor costs to be artificially low... does that make sense? Hell, I'm no economist, but they're bound to have some impact on our economy.
 

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I say deport them all so we dont have to pay taxes on them.

If you dont want to deport them, sterilize them all so that they cant reproduce and become instant citizens.

Ive got the log cutter ready Dr. Rock, how tall do you want these to be?
 

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Dr Rock said:
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Republican-controlled Senate refused Wednesday to raise the minimum wage, rejecting an election-year proposal from Democrats for the first increase in nearly a decade.

The federal minimum wage has been fixed at $5.15 an hour since 1997.

... bear in mind that these are the same "representatives" who just voted to increase their OWN salaries - for the tenth year in a row - to $170,000 a year.

"This is a classic debate between two different philosophies. One philosophy believes in the marketplace, competition and entrepreneurship, and the second is a philosophy that says government knows best," said Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Georgia.

you got that right, kiddo. shame you failed to figure out which side is which, though.

:puke:

And they will continue to do so as long as it's apparent to them that they can get away with it, as long as there is an absence of public outcry. Solution: VOTE THE BASTARDS OUT OF OFFICE.

Stop putting the same shitheads back in there.



We are "those people".
 

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b.c. said:
And they will continue to do so as long as it's apparent to them that they can get away with it, as long as there is an absence of public outcry. Solution: VOTE THE BASTARDS OUT OF OFFICE.

Stop putting the same shitheads back in there.



We are "those people".

I don't know, it seems that everytime we vote them out of office, we vote a whole new batch right back in again
 

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It really comes down to a simple equation - if there is x amount of something you can either share it equally in which cause the more people sharing the less each gets, unless you can increase the amount of x in proportion. Since populations increase geometically, and productions is by percentage, over population is always going to be an issue for a species that doesn't suffer from predation.

It is interesting that in all the reductions (read mass death from not nice things) in population pretty much are either natural or manmade attempts to rebalance the order of things.

Since the current trend is towards a stacked deck (so to speak) against balance in the system, the longer this unbalance continues, the more catastrophic the rebalance will (or will have to be) to bring things back in line.

That being, barring people that own a mean to depart the world (UFO maybe, or Angels/Rapture for example) the ugly truth is about 999 of every 1000 people on the planet is going to have to go for long term sustainability of the planet as we know it in any form close to what we know it, and to make our current way of living (option of choice apparently) an option.

I don't think that is about to happen in any way other then WWIII or WWIV if you are a Pentagon Employee - apparently they call the "Cold War" WWIII and the next one is going to be "IV" - i think they just have WW envy because Vietnam, etc... just wasn't "BIG" enough for the current generation... I mean face it, WWII - they dropped the BIG ONE... two actually... Cold War ... zip, just testing... I think they feel like hey had a huge box of XXL condoms and never got laid...

Ok, I digress, but it's 5am and I have yet to sleep... stress I suppose, I am not talking with my family anymore, life sucks, I am unemployed (with a bachelors degree, yep that happens too), and well I was reading articles on "Male Suicide" all night - about men who are alone, and no means and can't cope and drop out all together... so I suppose I am in a dark mood. Night night, the sun is coming up and I am going to try to get some sleep... another day is here.

Oh, and to put this back on topic... yes minimum wage is a joke in very bad taste, it should be replaced with "living wage" and universal healthcare and retirement security... and if that happens watch out for flying monkeys... because they will be flying out of my backside like a gatling gun.
 

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b.c. said:
And they will continue to do so as long as it's apparent to them that they can get away with it, as long as there is an absence of public outcry. Solution: VOTE THE BASTARDS OUT OF OFFICE.

Stop putting the same shitheads back in there.

We are "those people".
Ah, b. c., I've been ranting on this subject for a long time, and I usually get the same 4 responses:

I can't make a difference.
It's gone on for so long, it'll never change.
I'm so tired of politics I just don't care anymore.
and
I don't know, it seems that everytime we vote them out of office, we vote a whole new batch right back in again

The salient point should be, yes, WE can make a difference if we let them all know that the status quo will no longer be tolerated. Period. We are putting out the trash, and getting some fresh stuff up on the hill... and if the fresh stuff fucks up, even once, referendum will happen so fast it'll make their assholes whistle.
 

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DC_DEEP said:
The salient point should be, yes, WE can make a difference if we let them all know that the status quo will no longer be tolerated. Period. We are putting out the trash, and getting some fresh stuff up on the hill... and if the fresh stuff fucks up, even once, referendum will happen so fast it'll make their assholes whistle.

The difficulty right now arises not from voter apathy but from easily manipulated voting results such as those produced by Diebold electronic/touch screen voting machines.
 

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ETA123 said:
The difficulty right now arises not from voter apathy but from easily manipulated voting results such as those produced by Diebold electronic/touch screen voting machines.
Well, that plus the majority of the American sheep who fear "that other party gaining control" more than they fear the direction both parties are taking us. They don't want to get rid of that shitbag, because he's their shitbag. After the first time in Florida, if the people (all the people) had said "this is unacceptable. do not send it to the supreme court for a decision - just re-do it, and re-do it correctly, or else every single one of you will be out of a job..." then we would have never had that fiasco in Ohio. See, our citizens just don't get it. We could fix the problem, there just aren't enough of us willing to fix it.
 

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Max-Package said:

You are very right on many counts.

A big problem facing the world at the moment is nuclear weaponry, and I don't mean because it's bad for eviroment, I mean that it's bad for war.

You just can't have a jolly good war these days, because anyone worth fighting has nuclear weapons, and if you attack them, they'll nuke you into submission the second you start winning.

Not only that, but you cant simply turn up with a few hundred thousand men and claim a country for yourself- imperialism has gone out of fashion.

Now, this is a bloody nuisance.

Its a nuisance because we simply don't have any reasons to go to war with other western countries over like we used to (colonies, or failing that, it was a domestic between conflicting inbreds of the same household), and even if we did have a war, we'd jsut end up nukeing each other and having a bloody miserable time.

The trick is, that humanity needs to be kept at war to keep the population in check and give people a motivation to progress during the rebuilding, and to make scientific leaps while looknig for better weaponry.


The other regrettable consiquence is that we have thousands of young, ignorent men who want to be angry, but they arent sure what about. In the good old days, we'd just send them to war, tell them who they hated and hand them a gun. It works wonders as you channel primal energies, and cull the population as well as giving birth to amazing scientific progress.

I mean, seriously, what the hell is better for humanity than a good old fashioned world war every few years?!
 

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DC_DEEP said:
Ah, b. c., I've been ranting on this subject for a long time, and I usually get the same 4 responses:

I can't make a difference.
It's gone on for so long, it'll never change.
I'm so tired of politics I just don't care anymore.
and
I don't know, it seems that everytime we vote them out of office, we vote a whole new batch right back in again

The salient point should be, yes, WE can make a difference if we let them all know that the status quo will no longer be tolerated. Period. We are putting out the trash, and getting some fresh stuff up on the hill... and if the fresh stuff fucks up, even once, referendum will happen so fast it'll make their assholes whistle.

Exactly. I know they're a slow bunch up there on Capitol Hill, but even they would have to eventually get it, once their compadres started disappearing after serving only 1 term in office. Seems to me the best way to get their attention is to directly affect their wages - by voting them the hell outta there, and letting them all know why they're getting the boot.
 

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DC_DEEP said:
Ah, b. c., I've been ranting on this subject for a long time, and I usually get the same 4 responses:

I can't make a difference.
It's gone on for so long, it'll never change.
I'm so tired of politics I just don't care anymore.
and
I don't know, it seems that everytime we vote them out of office, we vote a whole new batch right back in again

The salient point should be, yes, WE can make a difference if we let them all know that the status quo will no longer be tolerated. Period. We are putting out the trash, and getting some fresh stuff up on the hill... and if the fresh stuff fucks up, even once, referendum will happen so fast it'll make their assholes whistle.
Actually it is doubtful that we can make a difference, since rather a lot of people actually ike the status quo - i.e. the people with money.

The people with no money who should not like the status quo, tend* to be ignorant through lack of education, and so fail to grasp their predicament and don't get angry in the right way or have any interest in taking action about a situation they don't or don't want to comprehend.

So the people who are a portion are a portion of the middle class, and educated/naturally intelligent lower class people, while the majority either don't know and don't care or do know and actively try to cling desperatly to the status quo which makes other people's lives so miserable and theirs so pleasent.


Now, the further problem is that whenever a bunch of visionaries do make a difference, they have a habbit of being replaced by either carbon copies of the people they deposed (ANC, South Africa), or absolute tyrants (Stalin, USSR).

This is because basically, power attracts assholes like flies to shit. If a group of non-assholes depose a group of assholes, assholes will worm their way in and endear themselves to the non-assholes, and as soon as the non assholes die, or present an oppertunity for succession, the asshole steps in from the wings and assumes power. Then we're back to square one - being ruled by assholes.

Now, the thing is that only assholes are that slimy, that power obsessed and that confident to worm their way to the top, while the decent people are usually pretty happy with their lot in life, it's the asshole that ascends to the top of the shit-heap (read: "Government") and becomes head asshole. Then, the decent people moan and groan about the asshole running the country, but if they vote him out, they just get another asshole, because at that level of the shit-heap, there are only assholes, since assholes are the only people asshole-y enough to climb the ladder and kick it away afterwards. Decent people are too... decent to fight dirty in order to ascend to the top.


*highlighting this now so that I don't get a mouthfull for calling all poor people stupid. I'm not, I'm calling most poor people stupid.
 

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One of the sickest things of all is, that there is routinely legislation that gets floated every year to repeal ALL minimum wage laws at the federal level...

"Why, if I didn't HAVE to pay minimum wage for the shit job, I could givr out raises to those who actually deserve it" I know one slumlord/entreprenuer friend who actually spouted this drivel--unfortuately, the attitude amond the haves is that the have nots are stupid, lazy, and definately do NOT deserve to live. "Are there no workhouses? Are there no prisons? ...If they are goig to die, then have them die and get it over with, and decrease the surplus population!" The poverty stricken slave labor world of Charles Dickens is alive and well and livin in the USA.