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Thanks Boobs incredulous am i

always interesting your indepth happenings within the US, things we never hear of out here

OBAMAs got a mania for trying to tell people/countries what they should/not be doing
as eveidenced by his FAILED Brexit outspoken crap on UK soil, his backing the FAILED Hills campaign obliged to of course but WGAF, subtle hints and supposed support for the FAILING Eu, grrr
now trying to suggest to the incomming President
this is how it should be?? duh

if anything hes sure the first and likely only black President who wants to influence the world as to the Obamacare way is my thinking

Whoa..now this is "rich"..like trying to stuff the genie back in the bottle
"Anticipating that Donald Trump might try to fulfill his promises....President Obama released a report on Monday summarizing his administration’s views of the legal barriers and policies limiting the president’s military power...

damn me incredible
and people LPSG think i have nothing better to do than frequent this forum ha'


After 8 Years of Expanding Presidential War Powers, Obama Insists They Are Limited
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Terror - Which definition shall we use? Has any nation used nuclear bombs in combat? Yes! One! The USA. There is debate that more Japanese and American soldiers would have died if the USA had to take Japan mile for mile. The civilian population may have also been higher if the USA had not used the two nuclear bombs.

The fact is the USA did. There are people still living with major health issues dating back 70 plus years.

War is war! In war it is expected that people will die. If my memory serves me correctly it was WWI or WWII where at least 20 million people died counting only casualties in Europe.

I do not like war. I'm all for having a defense system that makes other nations think several times before they even consider the idea of fighting a war with the USA.

Of course, I am saddened that women and children have died in Aleppo. When as many bombers for all the various countries participating in bombing on both sides of this war, one would be a fool to suggest that the civilian population hasn't been affected at all. With that many bombs raining down on Aleppo it is a wonder that there aren't even more deaths than there are.

I'm all for nations trying to hit only military targets as their policy that they try to follow. But I am not naive enough to think that any nation carrying out many bombing raids has not killed or seriously injured significant number of people.

How many people die on highways in the US each year from automobile accidents. At one time it was 30,000 a year. The number has been dropping over time.

Syria is a hell hole. If we ask the residents of Aleppo if they have felt terror in the past year, I suspect that a majority would say yes.

This post is not intended to take anyone's side in this discussion. Rather, it is an attempt to remind people that one of the main goals of a war is to kill people who are in the way of a military victory and that includes both sides in most wars.

To make us feel better, we make rules on how to kill people so that as long as we follow the proper procedures in killing people than we are on high moral ground.

This may come as a surprise to some, but to a mother of a son or daughter that is in the military in this war, the death of their child who died while in military service is just as traumatic as the death of one of their children who died in an auto accident on one of our highways.

In all the civil war histories where the war dragged on and on and on, there have been more civilian casualties than military casualties.

Even though WWI and WWII were not civil wars, there were more civilian casualties that military casualties in both wars if my memory of studying history is correct.

The solution is to find a way to halt the war and find peace, not find ways to justify people dying in a war because they are in the military, or this, or that or some other reason.

Humans have had trouble taking the high road to genuine peace instead of fighting wars for all of recorded history.

It is to me very sinful of leaders who have conducted themselves in a way that leads to war needlessly.

America was attacked at Pearl Harbor in a sneak attack. There are situations where one side is not responsible for the beginning of the war. Let me be clear on that. But in the Middle East it is very difficult to identify a nation or a leader of a nation who is a saint. but very easy to identify nations and leaders of nations that have been the cause of more needless war.

It appears that all the players in Middle East wars have been the aggressor at some point in time since the ending of WWII. The US included.
Very well said. Unfortunately our government knew the attack on Pearl was going to happen. They needed an excuse to enter the war (as if Germany sinking one of our subs off of the east coast in October 1941 wasn't enough). I halfway think we should pull out of everywhere and just let it descend into chaos...... only problem is we are so far invested in so many different places, key places in the world depend on our involvement and we are too far "morally" committed to "helping" others. Career politicians got us into this mess..... what amazes me is those who think career politicians witl get us out, regardless of what political label they wear.
 
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Very well said. Unfortunately our government knew the attack on Pearl was going to happen. They needed an excuse to enter the war (as if Germany sinking one of our subs off of the east coast in October 1941 wasn't enough). I halfway think we should pull out of everywhere and just let it descend into chaos...... only problem is we are so far invested in so many different places, key places in the world depend on our involvement and we are too far "morally" committed to "helping" others. Career politicians got us into this mess..... what amazes me is those who think career politicians witl get us out, regardless of what political label they wear.

PH conspiracy theorists... creating the needle for the haystack, like Bush wanted 9-11... surprised you didn't pull out Sheet No. 94644. You already know that I am sure.

FDR was a Democrat whom ordered internment of minority Japanese... that is fact.
 

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PH conspiracy theorists... creating the needle for the haystack, like Bush wanted 9-11... surprised you didn't pull out Sheet No. 94644. You already know that I am sure.

FDR was a Democrat whom ordered internment of minority Japanese... that is fact.
True. Our internment of them was an embarrassing part of our history since the Army 442nd went on to become the most decorated unti in American military history.

He was also the one (among others) who knew of the impending Pear Harbor attack, but let it happen because they knew economically it was the only (probable) thing that would bring us out of depression.
 

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Journalist Gareth Porter spoke with The Real News about Western complicity in Middle East conflicts.

GARETH PORTER: United States has provided not just the bombs that have been used, including the cluster munitions that have been dropped on civilian targets in Yemen, but also has refueled every, or all, of those flights that required refueling in the process. So, it is directly implicated in the entire war. It is a direct party to it, it is responsible for.

KIM BROWN: And that's your Real News of the Day Update. In Baltimore, I'm Kim Brown.
 

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US military bombs Mosul hospital as Iraqi troops retreat

Pentagon: Islamic State has lost its safe haven in Sirte, Libya

The Pentagon announced today that the Islamic State no longer controls any part of Sirte, Libya. The ground campaign to liberate the city began more than six months ago and the US has launched 495 airstrikes in support of the operation. The Islamic State's "governor" in Libya vows to fight on, saying that his men have spread out across the country.

How did ISIS Gain this safe haven to begin with, again?
 

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listen
to kerry talking of 'people with power'
been saying for months

after 6 years of the USA and everyone else killing the SYRIANS seems theyre determined to lay the blame for the entire war in Syria on Russia/Syria and people in power

and what the fuck of the OBAMA KERRY/ CLINTON if she got in would have been utterly evil more dangerus, SAUDIS NATO UK theyre not people in power huh
6 years worth compared to 1 years worth


Aleppo onslaught: Kerry urges Russia to end conflict

Almost 20,000 people have fled eastern Aleppo since Friday as the Syrian government and its allies continue their bombardment of opposition-held parts of the city.


and
another 'people in power'
all bungling F'wits ..


Should the West intervene in Syria? - UpFront

"Aleppo will be the shame of our generation", says French intellectual Bernard-Henri Levy on the West's failure to intervene in Syria.

 

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all sides are continuing there animalistic behaviour
no one ever thought there would be a free exit or likely peace time for the civilians to escape
its just as crazy mad as it has always been disgusting the lot of them


Syria’s war: Families escorted out of rebel-held areas in east Aleppo

Published on Dec 11, 2016
Syria's government has intensified air strikes on the remaining rebel-held territories in eastern Aleppo as it continues its campaign to retake the city


Syria-Russian Kornet Missile System destroying ISIS rats! Watch in HD! (WARNING +18)

 

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Assad is as bad as a leader of a nation can get. Having said that, Assad's government is the government that is considered the legitimate government of Syria. The UN recognizes the Assad regime.

That makes it a bit difficult for foreign powers to send in troops to topple him. As far as the official UN position, Russia is helping a legitimate government defend itself against foreign invaders. (That doesn't mean they morally can deliberately bomb civilians causing many innocent medical casualties and deaths.)

Do I like what I have just written? Not no, but hell no! However, it does make it tricky for the US, the UK and the European Union to take action, in the eyes of the UN etc, to rationalize whatever action we take in Syria. There is no one perfect moral action that we can take in Syria. No matter what we do, there is a bit of immorality in our actions. Do nothing and we allow thousands to suffer or die. Any action we take can be debated as being the actions of an aggressor nation even if some lives are spared.

The basic truth that, "A few will have to die to hopefully save thousands of lives." hangs its imprint on any possible actions, to only be greatly criticized as it is known ahead of time that some will die as a direct result of any military action.

It is the very familiar, "Damned if you do and damned if you don't" situation.

This is one of many world situations where I am glad I am retired and am not in charge of American foreign policy. From a historical propective, I wouldn't want Freddie53's name on any action concerning Syria.

There was a possible window of opportunity for the US, UK and the European Union to take actions that had a chance of being considered good moral actions so the people didn't suffer and die. That ship seems to have sailed and there doesn't appear a probability of that ship making port again any time soon.
 
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agree
why i also continually say forever and a day
theyre all animalistic persons every godamn one of them involved

have no compunctions in placing information as such out there
who cares if its Al Jazeeras or whomever

keep the human animalistic behaviour to the forefront ..
may not make a difference to some,but often of more interest to me than Trumps daily utterances


It is the very familiar, "Damned if you do and damned if you don't" situation.
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NATO aka USA/Eu,not looking so sweet now huh
little/big fears setting in now maybe

not so big shot now huh
UK pulling out altho likely to remain with NATO maybe ..

gets to be a bit of a bummer when you create all these migrant refugees and cant resolve that issue,and things swing so you dont get your way in dominating by force in your region huh .. no sympathy
play the power game suffer the consequences


What does the future of NATO hold after Trump?

The election of Donald Trump as the next US president is causing uncertainty around the world.
Not least at the western military alliance NATO, after Trump questioned the US membership in some of his campaign speeches.


and
from Boobs Intercept ha courtesy of,cvool ha true ..

Mike Pence Will Be the Most Powerful Christian Supremacist in U.S. History



Pence’s ascent to the second most powerful position in the U.S. government is a tremendous coup for the radical religious right.

https://theintercept.com/2016/11/15...powerful-christian-supremacist-in-us-history/
All of Jesus' teachings are found in the four Gospels of the Bible which can easily be read in one day. The word Christian means to be Christ like or a follower of Christ, a synonym for Jesus.

Mike Pense is now the most important political leader of white evangelical Christians in the US and perhaps some beyond America.

Exactly which beliefs that Jesus taught is Mike Pense pushing as a Christian leader? I'm not going to answer that question, but I will ask another. What is Mike Pense pushing that I believe is diametrically opposed to the teachings of Jesus.

1. A Theocracy: It was not the Jewish people in general that turned on Jesus. It was the organized religious leaders who were in collaboration with the Roman authorities. At several points in time, Jesus' harshest condemnations were against leaders in the organized religion of his day, not against the sins that the common people had committed and had at least some guilt as a result.

2. Jesus debated for a faith based on a relationship with God, not a set of arbitrary rules that other people in power could punish people who broke them. There is no record of Jesus proposing that the government set up laws to enforce that people follow what "the government" believed to be God's law.

3. Jesus was about love and forgiveness. That was his message through and through the four gospels.

I find the term Christian and the concept of Mike Pense being the leader of people pushing for the ideals that Jesus taught in Israel and Palestine almost 2000 years ago to be incompatible.

I am a follower of Jesus. By that I certainly don't mean I live up to all of Jesus' teachings. But I do make an attempt. I try not to "add stuff" to what Jesus taught and then put Jesus' name on it and try to make others do what I often fail to do myself.

Don't worry. I have plenty of "stuff" that I add to what Jesus taught. However, I try to not claim that it came from Jesus.

I firmly believe that should a member of Mike Pense' family have a miscarriage, they should be allowed to take what human remains that can be found from the mass of blood be collected by a funeral home, a funeral be held, and the remains be buried in a cemetery.

I bristle at the idea that any of the rest of us be allowed to interfere with his family grief. If Mike Pense' family has the money to pay for all that and it provides comfort, I would oppose any law that would forbid his family to do that.

My understanding of Jesus' teachings allow me to have that belief. At the same time, my understanding of Jesus is that it would also be wrong for Mike Pense to then declare that everyone follow what was healing to his family or followed what his family believed to be the proper religious response to the tragedy of a miscarriage. It is ethically wrong for anyone to "force" others to act out their grief in the way that best fits themselves when in grief.

At the root of American freedom of religion is the belief that the government has absolutely no right to interfere with what any citizen believes or that citizen's right to declare that belief and not need to worry that he will be arrested for his beliefs.

The ancient Aztecs believed that their God required a human be sacrificed so that the heart could be offered as a gift to the Aztec God. This heart had to come from a human in good health whose life was taken as a sacrifice. The Aztec God would not accept the heart of a person who had died of natural causes.

People have the freedom of religion to believe in the ancient Aztec religion without fear of being killed or imprisoned. People don't have the right to practice this religion as someone would have to be killed and we in the US don't allow for murders to practice a religion.

It is absolutely none of Mike Pense's business what a woman does with her body. It is wrong for Mike Pense to try to make the American government to be a cathedral to enforce what Mike Pense believes are the teachings of Jesus.

Mike Pense might be right about what Jesus said to do and what Jesus said not to do. Freddie may be a complete fool when it comes to understanding what Jesus preached on how to live and how not to live.

Both Mike Pense and Freddie have that right under the US Constitution to believe what we believe about what Jesus said to do and not to do. What we don't have the right to do is force the other one to follow what we believe or Jesus' or anyone else's teachings.

Mike Pense is not Freddie's Christian leader now and...you can right it down in your little red, yellow, blue or black book. Mike Pense will never be the leader of what is referred to as the main line Protestant Christians in the US.

My church doesn't consider abortion to be or not be a sin. My church teaches that it is a personal choice as to what each person should believe to do in each situation concerning an abortion. The pregnant woman, the sperm donor, family, doctor, and spiritual advisor should deal with a possible abortion without the government's interference. If abortion were such a big deal to Jesus and God, then why isn't the subject covered in the Bible, somewhere, anywhere?

Jehovah's Witness believe that if a person receives a blood transfusion that that person will go to a literal hell and feel the effects of a hot fire for all eternity. I believe this is total hogwash. However, I would never approve of forcing a member of that movement to have a blood transfusion. The person would have a horrible rest of his life believing the horrible hell awating him.

Jehovah's Witness doesn't have and should never have the legal authority to deny blood transfusions to anyone.

I'm not going to judge Mike Pense's heart and his relationship to God. I will however judge harshly his attempt to make the rest of us follow his religious beliefs. That is unconstitutional from a legal standpoint of the rights of American citizens under the US Constitution and its amendments.

It is also a violation of how I view Jesus' commandments on what to believe and how to live. That is secondary to what has been historically the American viewpoint on God and religion since the ratification of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights to the US Constitution.

This is a sad, no it is a tragic day to have someone like Mike Pense be the leader of major Christian/political movement in the US. I see nothing but bad coming as a result of this election.

To understand that some 70 plus percent of evangelical Christians voted for a person who has no Christian understandings, has recordings of what he wants to do to women, and has lead such a shadowy business leadership.

And if the drink wasn't already poisoned enough, I now read where this wing of Christian believers now believe that somehow Trump is God's man for our times. Please! I just had lunch! I don't want or need to barf it away. Reading just drivel about Trump being God's man for our times is enough to barf, not once but for hours, days, weeks, perhaps months on end!
 

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smiling

that the entire world wouldent realzie if its arse was on fire

just kill kill kill, keep ourselves occupied come one come all

Obama/Cameron/Putin/Merkel,as insignificant as an rbkwp
nobels notwithstanding

we are a pack of shits,horse shit .. no denying ..
and
i dont believe we need to introduce jesus/christianity small capitals into the mix

you/we are responsible for that individual relationship with him
perhaps safegaurding a possible afterlife we know nothing about
 

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All of Jesus' teachings are found in the four Gospels of the Bible which can easily be read in one day. The word Christian means to be Christ like or a follower of Christ, a synonym for Jesus.

Mike Pense is now the most important political leader of white evangelical Christians in the US and perhaps some beyond America.

Exactly which beliefs that Jesus taught is Mike Pense pushing as a Christian leader? I'm not going to answer that question, but I will ask another. What is Mike Pense pushing that I believe is diametrically opposed to the teachings of Jesus.

1. A Theocracy: It was not the Jewish people in general that turned on Jesus. It was the organized religious leaders who were in collaboration with the Roman authorities. At several points in time, Jesus' harshest condemnations were against leaders in the organized religion of his day, not against the sins that the common people had committed and had at least some guilt as a result.

2. Jesus debated for a faith based on a relationship with God, not a set of arbitrary rules that other people in power could punish people who broke them. There is no record of Jesus proposing that the government set up laws to enforce that people follow what "the government" believed to be God's law.

3. Jesus was about love and forgiveness. That was his message through and through the four gospels.

I find the term Christian and the concept of Mike Pense being the leader of people pushing for the ideals that Jesus taught in Israel and Palestine almost 2000 years ago to be incompatible.

I am a follower of Jesus. By that I certainly don't mean I live up to all of Jesus' teachings. But I do make an attempt. I try not to "add stuff" to what Jesus taught and then put Jesus' name on it and try to make others do what I often fail to do myself.

Don't worry. I have plenty of "stuff" that I add to what Jesus taught. However, I try to not claim that it came from Jesus.

I firmly believe that should a member of Mike Pense' family have a miscarriage, they should be allowed to take what human remains that can be found from the mass of blood be collected by a funeral home, a funeral be held, and the remains be buried in a cemetery.

I bristle at the idea that any of the rest of us be allowed to interfere with his family grief. If Mike Pense' family has the money to pay for all that and it provides comfort, I would oppose any law that would forbid his family to do that.

My understanding of Jesus' teachings allow me to have that belief. At the same time, my understanding of Jesus is that it would also be wrong for Mike Pense to then declare that everyone follow what was healing to his family or followed what his family believed to be the proper religious response to the tragedy of a miscarriage. It is ethically wrong for anyone to "force" others to act out their grief in the way that best fits themselves when in grief.

At the root of American freedom of religion is the belief that the government has absolutely no right to interfere with what any citizen believes or that citizen's right to declare that belief and not need to worry that he will be arrested for his beliefs.

The ancient Aztecs believed that their God required a human be sacrificed so that the heart could be offered as a gift to the Aztec God. This heart had to come from a human in good health whose life was taken as a sacrifice. The Aztec God would not accept the heart of a person who had died of natural causes.

People have the freedom of religion to believe in the ancient Aztec religion without fear of being killed or imprisoned. People don't have the right to practice this religion as someone would have to be killed and we in the US don't allow for murders to practice a religion.

It is absolutely none of Mike Pense's business what a woman does with her body. It is wrong for Mike Pense to try to make the American government to be a cathedral to enforce what Mike Pense believes are the teachings of Jesus.

Mike Pense might be right about what Jesus said to do and what Jesus said not to do. Freddie may be a complete fool when it comes to understanding what Jesus preached on how to live and how not to live.

Both Mike Pense and Freddie have that right under the US Constitution to believe what we believe about what Jesus said to do and not to do. What we don't have the right to do is force the other one to follow what we believe or Jesus' or anyone else's teachings.

Mike Pense is not Freddie's Christian leader now and...you can right it down in your little red, yellow, blue or black book. Mike Pense will never be the leader of what is referred to as the main line Protestant Christians in the US.

My church doesn't consider abortion to be or not be a sin. My church teaches that it is a personal choice as to what each person should believe to do in each situation concerning an abortion. The pregnant woman, the sperm donor, family, doctor, and spiritual advisor should deal with a possible abortion without the government's interference. If abortion were such a big deal to Jesus and God, then why isn't the subject covered in the Bible, somewhere, anywhere?

Jehovah's Witness believe that if a person receives a blood transfusion that that person will go to a literal hell and feel the effects of a hot fire for all eternity. I believe this is total hogwash. However, I would never approve of forcing a member of that movement to have a blood transfusion. The person would have a horrible rest of his life believing the horrible hell awating him.

Jehovah's Witness doesn't have and should never have the legal authority to deny blood transfusions to anyone.

I'm not going to judge Mike Pense's heart and his relationship to God. I will however judge harshly his attempt to make the rest of us follow his religious beliefs. That is unconstitutional from a legal standpoint of the rights of American citizens under the US Constitution and its amendments.

It is also a violation of how I view Jesus' commandments on what to believe and how to live. That is secondary to what has been historically the American viewpoint on God and religion since the ratification of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights to the US Constitution.

This is a sad, no it is a tragic day to have someone like Mike Pense be the leader of major Christian/political movement in the US. I see nothing but bad coming as a result of this election.

To understand that some 70 plus percent of evangelical Christians voted for a person who has no Christian understandings, has recordings of what he wants to do to women, and has lead such a shadowy business leadership.

And if the drink wasn't already poisoned enough, I now read where this wing of Christian believers now believe that somehow Trump is God's man for our times. Please! I just had lunch! I don't want or need to barf it away. Reading just drivel about Trump being God's man for our times is enough to barf, not once but for hours, days, weeks, perhaps months on end!

I couldn't find a magnifying glass to read this, Freddie.
 

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TURKEYs stepped in
'we are being slaughtered' hate that word
!

Aleppo onslaught: UN says Syrian forces executing civilians

The UN now says opposition fighters control less than one square kilometre of the city.

Syrian government supporters in the city's west celebrate as rebel lines fall amid reports of summary executions.



interesting
sharing information/freedom of expression yes.no!

Inside Story - Should social media companies ban certain content?


Published on Dec 8, 2016
Facebook, Twitter, Youtube and Microsoft to join efforts to filter out content they consider "terrorist propaganda".

 
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All of Jesus' teachings are found in the four Gospels of the Bible which can easily be read in one day. The word Christian means to be Christ like or a follower of Christ, a synonym for Jesus.

Mike Pense is now the most important political leader of white evangelical Christians in the US and perhaps some beyond America.

Exactly which beliefs that Jesus taught is Mike Pense pushing as a Christian leader? I'm not going to answer that question, but I will ask another. What is Mike Pense pushing that I believe is diametrically opposed to the teachings of Jesus.

1. A Theocracy: It was not the Jewish people in general that turned on Jesus. It was the organized religious leaders who were in collaboration with the Roman authorities. At several points in time, Jesus' harshest condemnations were against leaders in the organized religion of his day, not against the sins that the common people had committed and had at least some guilt as a result.

2. Jesus debated for a faith based on a relationship with God, not a set of arbitrary rules that other people in power could punish people who broke them. There is no record of Jesus proposing that the government set up laws to enforce that people follow what "the government" believed to be God's law.

3. Jesus was about love and forgiveness. That was his message through and through the four gospels.

I find the term Christian and the concept of Mike Pense being the leader of people pushing for the ideals that Jesus taught in Israel and Palestine almost 2000 years ago to be incompatible.

I am a follower of Jesus. By that I certainly don't mean I live up to all of Jesus' teachings. But I do make an attempt. I try not to "add stuff" to what Jesus taught and then put Jesus' name on it and try to make others do what I often fail to do myself.

Don't worry. I have plenty of "stuff" that I add to what Jesus taught. However, I try to not claim that it came from Jesus.

I firmly believe that should a member of Mike Pense' family have a miscarriage, they should be allowed to take what human remains that can be found from the mass of blood be collected by a funeral home, a funeral be held, and the remains be buried in a cemetery.

I bristle at the idea that any of the rest of us be allowed to interfere with his family grief. If Mike Pense' family has the money to pay for all that and it provides comfort, I would oppose any law that would forbid his family to do that.

My understanding of Jesus' teachings allow me to have that belief. At the same time, my understanding of Jesus is that it would also be wrong for Mike Pense to then declare that everyone follow what was healing to his family or followed what his family believed to be the proper religious response to the tragedy of a miscarriage. It is ethically wrong for anyone to "force" others to act out their grief in the way that best fits themselves when in grief.

At the root of American freedom of religion is the belief that the government has absolutely no right to interfere with what any citizen believes or that citizen's right to declare that belief and not need to worry that he will be arrested for his beliefs.

The ancient Aztecs believed that their God required a human be sacrificed so that the heart could be offered as a gift to the Aztec God. This heart had to come from a human in good health whose life was taken as a sacrifice. The Aztec God would not accept the heart of a person who had died of natural causes.

People have the freedom of religion to believe in the ancient Aztec religion without fear of being killed or imprisoned. People don't have the right to practice this religion as someone would have to be killed and we in the US don't allow for murders to practice a religion.

It is absolutely none of Mike Pense's business what a woman does with her body. It is wrong for Mike Pense to try to make the American government to be a cathedral to enforce what Mike Pense believes are the teachings of Jesus.

Mike Pense might be right about what Jesus said to do and what Jesus said not to do. Freddie may be a complete fool when it comes to understanding what Jesus preached on how to live and how not to live.

Both Mike Pense and Freddie have that right under the US Constitution to believe what we believe about what Jesus said to do and not to do. What we don't have the right to do is force the other one to follow what we believe or Jesus' or anyone else's teachings.

Mike Pense is not Freddie's Christian leader now and...you can right it down in your little red, yellow, blue or black book. Mike Pense will never be the leader of what is referred to as the main line Protestant Christians in the US.

My church doesn't consider abortion to be or not be a sin. My church teaches that it is a personal choice as to what each person should believe to do in each situation concerning an abortion. The pregnant woman, the sperm donor, family, doctor, and spiritual advisor should deal with a possible abortion without the government's interference. If abortion were such a big deal to Jesus and God, then why isn't the subject covered in the Bible, somewhere, anywhere?

Jehovah's Witness believe that if a person receives a blood transfusion that that person will go to a literal hell and feel the effects of a hot fire for all eternity. I believe this is total hogwash. However, I would never approve of forcing a member of that movement to have a blood transfusion. The person would have a horrible rest of his life believing the horrible hell awating him.

Jehovah's Witness doesn't have and should never have the legal authority to deny blood transfusions to anyone.

I'm not going to judge Mike Pense's heart and his relationship to God. I will however judge harshly his attempt to make the rest of us follow his religious beliefs. That is unconstitutional from a legal standpoint of the rights of American citizens under the US Constitution and its amendments.

It is also a violation of how I view Jesus' commandments on what to believe and how to live. That is secondary to what has been historically the American viewpoint on God and religion since the ratification of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights to the US Constitution.

This is a sad, no it is a tragic day to have someone like Mike Pense be the leader of major Christian/political movement in the US. I see nothing but bad coming as a result of this election.

To understand that some 70 plus percent of evangelical Christians voted for a person who has no Christian understandings, has recordings of what he wants to do to women, and has lead such a shadowy business leadership.

And if the drink wasn't already poisoned enough, I now read where this wing of Christian believers now believe that somehow Trump is God's man for our times. Please! I just had lunch! I don't want or need to barf it away. Reading just drivel about Trump being God's man for our times is enough to barf, not once but for hours, days, weeks, perhaps months on end!
for those who adhere to the christian faith... this is a mostly theologically consistent argument and maintains a christo-centric focus.... thank you for sharing
 

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