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What does that matter? According to the anti-abortionists it was their "Lord's will". :rolleyes2:

I met someone that allowed his 12 year-old son to die because of his belief in "Lord's will". I don't remember what he had but it was completely treatable and they let him die painfully. Why is it "Lord's Will" when sickness occurs, but it's not when medical cures are discovered and applied to cure sickness? I truly can't get started about these people....:mad:

As far as abortion goes, what would happen if a woman were required to have an abortion under certain criteria? For example, let's say a homeless woman (who is also mentally ill) gets raped and becomes pregnant. Should she be forced to have an abortion? Her lack of resources and mental capacity certainly could support the abortion option, but what if she wanted to keep the baby? Despite her limited faculties should she still maintain the right to choose? Should the law intervene and force this abortion upon her? Who decides what is best for this woman? Herself? The law? Medical professionals? Again, not rhetorical questions, just presenting a scenario to challenge the beliefs of both sides of this argument.
 

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Whilst that story is sad & tragic, the child would have felt the pain in or out of the womb - & the parents grief would have been the same. Adults have children, not infants, & death is part of life - we shouldn't hide from the trauma & infantalize ourselves - grow up. (I'm sure that the parents grief would not have been more, either way).

Does this mean you would be comfortable allowing your child, born or unborn, to die a painful death? Would your grief be the same if your child died screaming in pain, rather than silence...especially if you could have prevented that pain?

What if the child had been born normally, & then 5 minutes later succombed to some hospital borne infection that would destroy our perceptions of its existence? Should we smother it then? Should we euthanise anyone with a less than 20% chance of surviving any illness?

Why would perceptions of the child's existence be destroyed over an illness? Does the child appear dead? For me, it always goes back to the circumstances. Every reproductive situation is as unique as the individuals involved. A reproductive decision like that is extremely difficult for anyone, it's not cut and dry, which is how you make it seem.

Has anyone seen what happened to that guy in the Beach! Out of sight, & out of mind en?

I remember as quite a young chappie ten years ago, my then GF's sister going into labour at 24 weeks - the doctors saying it was a lost cause - the baby was naturally aborting because something was wrong with it - the GF's sister going ballistic, & somehow - preventing delivery for a week, by forcing them to give her drugs which somehow meant the amniotic(?) fluid refilled her womb.

That right there is the result of a woman's right to choose. Take away just one right (read: abortion) and those rights to life-saving measures will be out the window right on it's heels. Reproductive rights belong to all women and we shouldn't hand that right over to the law because of individual belief systems.

Ok the child was the size of my palm, but she bounces around like any other kid now - all because her mother didn't believe the doctors.

This is great, I'm glad this woman took the situation into her own hands and beat the odds. I'm truly happy for her, as it could have gone the other way but she trusted herself. I hope that child is having a great life. :smile:

Does anyone know any doctor with even a 3 for 4 record in absolutely correct diagnosis 1st time around? In the NHS, I've even dealt with a doctor myself incapable of removing a stitch.:wink:

Same here. I've fired a few doctors in my day. :redface:


The only thing different between a death inside & outside the womb is that it forces us to confront our demons & become responsible adults, just like our grandparents(well mine & millions of others ) had to when confronted with slaughter on a daily basis during WW2.

I have to disagree with you here. A death inside the womb creates the demons and unless you are a woman, you could not possibly begin to understand. If you think those women were less traumatized back then compared to women now, I can assure you they were not.

As far as the WWII reference goes, you seem to have this romantic notion that people just confronted their demons and were unhaunted by them because they were more resilient. The truth is they hid those demons, where nowadays a person is more free to express them. My dad was in WWII and did not want to talk about the war, even with my mom. He had his demons, and yet he was the responsible adult you describe. So you see, people really aren't different. They just deal with their demons in different ways.


Wouldn't most people want to see a wanted child, with even the minimum of hope, rather than some uncaring being chucking it in the incinerator? I'm sure in reflection that the Mom will eventually be grateful that she had the chance to hold & love her child rather than that.

I want to note here that the decision to abort was made by the couple. The story even states that they could have sought out-of-state treatment but the mother was too distraught. Neither of them wanted to lose their child, they just didn't want their child to be in pain.

I think it just shows that people today are too wrapped up in themselves, how they feel, & that their empathy is bred from the self same narcissism.

While I agree that there is an excess of self-centered assholes in the universe, I wouldn't pin that on these people. How is it self-centered for parents to try and make their child's death as pain free as possible?

I know it sounds harsh, but man/woman up! Death is part of life, embrace it, & value every second that you & yours have got.

Sounds to me like you never lost anyone of real significance in your life. Would it be harsh of me to ask you to report in as soon as it happens, just so you can tell us how the manning up is going for you? This is where I have to tell you that you make yourself out to a major asshat with a parochial take on life. May you never have to "man up" in the face of death.
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As far as abortion goes, what would happen if a woman were required to have an abortion under certain criteria? For example, let's say a homeless woman (who is also mentally ill) gets raped and becomes pregnant. Should she be forced to have an abortion? Her lack of resources and mental capacity certainly could support the abortion option, but what if she wanted to keep the baby? Despite her limited faculties should she still maintain the right to choose? Should the law intervene and force this abortion upon her? Who decides what is best for this woman? Herself? The law? Medical professionals? Again, not rhetorical questions, just presenting a scenario to challenge the beliefs of both sides of this argument.
A civilized society would ensure this woman had housing, treatment for her mental illness, and whatever other basic support she needed. Then, with the help of social/psychological counselors, she might be in a better position to make a rational choice about her pregnancy and, should she bring it to term, care for a child or not. At that point the law is able to determine whether she is mentally competent to be responsible for the life of a newborn child. As with so many societal problems, we should be addressing the root causes, thereby eliminating most of the exponentially multipying expensive and problematic symptoms. Better for her and people like her, better for the child should there be one, better for society as a whole.

But as America is less and less a civilized society, and as sensible social safety net solutions are increasingly out of favor politically, we are left with only ideological responses and knee-jerk reactions.
 
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A civilized society would ensure this woman had housing, treatment for her mental illness, and whatever other basic support she needed. Then, with the help of social/psychological counselors, she might be in a better position to make a rational choice about her pregnancy and, should she bring it to term, care for a child or not. At that point the law is able to determine whether she is mentally competent to be responsible for the life of a newborn child. As with so many societal problems, we should be addressing the root causes, thereby eliminating most of the exponentially multipying expensive and problematic symptoms. Better for her and people like her, better for the child should there be one, better for society as a whole.

But as America is less and less a civilized society, and as sensible social safety net solutions are increasingly out of favor politically, we are left with only ideological responses and knee-jerk reactions.

I agree with you. People want to live in a better society but they aren't willing to help build it up if it means helping those in need. It's far easier to put down the smelly homeless person in the bus station than it is to be sympathetic and offer some kind words, maybe some assistance. You know that show Undercover Boss? I think they should have a show called Undercover Homeless. You'd have to wonder how differently the asshats would think after a month of living in their own feces while sleeping under a piece of cardboard.
 

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I agree with you. People want to live in a better society but they aren't willing to help build it up if it means helping those in need. It's far easier to put down the smelly homeless person in the bus station than it is to be sympathetic and offer some kind words, maybe some assistance. You know that show Undercover Boss? I think they should have a show called Undercover Homeless. You'd have to wonder how differently the asshats would think after a month of living in their own feces while sleeping under a piece of cardboard.
Too many people are stupid, selfish, and shortsighted, in particular religious fundamentalists and social/political "conservatives". They fail to understand that how they treat the least fortunate reflects directly on who they are, who we all are. Failure to treat the least among us with generosity and compassion not only diminishes us as people, but drags us down as a society, and even from a purely economic perspective costs everyone more in the long run. Studies show that getting a person off the street, housing them, and helping them restart their lives costs significantly less than what society spends on emergency room treatment for chronic illness and injuries, criminal activity and criminal prosecution, incarceration, etc. - while these poor souls wallow in misery. An ounce of prevention really is worth a pound of cure. Ironically, and in so many ways, a great number of Christian conservatives act counter to the fundamental teachings of the Christ they claim to emulate.
 
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The war continues:
Pregnant Iowa Woman Arrested for Falling Down




Life can't get much worse for Christine Taylor. Last month, after an upsetting phone conversation with her estranged husband, Ms. Taylor became light-headed and fell down a flight of stairs in her home. Paramedics rushed to the scene and ultimately declared her healthy. However, since she was pregnant with her third child at the time, Taylor thought it would be best to be seen at the local ER to make sure her fetus was unharmed. That's when things got really bad and really crazy. Alone, distraught, and frightened, Taylor confided in the nurse treating her that she hadn't always been sure she'd wanted this baby, now that she was single and unemployed. She'd considered both adoption and abortion before ultimately deciding to keep the child. The nurse then summoned a doctor, who questioned her further about her thoughts on ending the pregnancy. Next thing Taylor knew, she was being arrested for attempted feticide. Apparently the nurse and doctor thought that Taylor threw herself down the stairs on purpose.
According to Iowa state law, attempted feticide is an trying "to intentionally terminate a human pregnancy, with the knowledge and voluntary consent of the pregnant person, after the end of the second trimester of the pregnancy." At least 37 states have similar laws. Taylor spent two days in jail before being released. That's right, a pregnant woman was jailed for admitting to
thinking about an abortion at some point early in her pregnancy and then having the audacity to fall down some stairs a couple of months later. Please tell me you find this as horrifying as I do.
The District Attorney -- after three weeks of investigation -- eventually declined to prosecute Taylor. Before you get too happy, keep in mind that this decision was made, not because the arrest was travesty to begin with, but because it came to light that Taylor was late in her second trimester when she fell, not early in her third as the hospital staff had thought. I guess you are allowed to trip and fall in the first two-thirds of your pregnancy in Iowa, but do so in your last third and the long arm of the law will grab you by your swollen ankles.

Pregnant Iowa Woman Arrested for Falling Down | Change.org News
 

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Too many people are stupid, selfish, and shortsighted, in particular religious fundamentalists and social/political "conservatives". They fail to understand that how they treat the least fortunate reflects directly on who they are, who we all are. Failure to treat the least among us with generosity and compassion not only diminishes us as people, but drags us down as a society, and even from a purely economic perspective costs everyone more in the long run. Studies show that getting a person off the street, housing them, and helping them restart their lives costs significantly less than what society spends on emergency room treatment for chronic illness and injuries, criminal activity and criminal prosecution, incarceration, etc. - while these poor souls wallow in misery. An ounce of prevention really is worth a pound of cure. Ironically, and in so many ways, a great number of Christian conservatives act counter to the fundamental teachings of the Christ they claim to emulate.

Again, we are in agreement. The bolded statement embodies what rubs me the wrong way most about Christian conservatives. I was baptized Catholic and remember very well those days of going to church when I was a kid. The teachings of my church emphasized Christ's dedication to helping the poor and sick. Consequently, I fail to understand how these Christian conservatives can consider themselves "Christ like" while figuratively kicking the same poor and sick people that Jesus dedicated his life to. I also find it quite arrogant for anyone to assume themselves to be acting on God's behalf, as this speaks of a self-importance that is just sickening. It seems many have forgotten the basis of Christ's teachings, which is to be kind to each other. Instead they spend their time twisting scripture for their own agenda.
 

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The war continues:
Pregnant Iowa Woman Arrested for Falling Down




Life can't get much worse for Christine Taylor. Last month, after an upsetting phone conversation with her estranged husband, Ms. Taylor became light-headed and fell down a flight of stairs in her home. Paramedics rushed to the scene and ultimately declared her healthy. However, since she was pregnant with her third child at the time, Taylor thought it would be best to be seen at the local ER to make sure her fetus was unharmed. That's when things got really bad and really crazy. Alone, distraught, and frightened, Taylor confided in the nurse treating her that she hadn't always been sure she'd wanted this baby, now that she was single and unemployed. She'd considered both adoption and abortion before ultimately deciding to keep the child. The nurse then summoned a doctor, who questioned her further about her thoughts on ending the pregnancy. Next thing Taylor knew, she was being arrested for attempted feticide. Apparently the nurse and doctor thought that Taylor threw herself down the stairs on purpose.
According to Iowa state law, attempted feticide is an trying "to intentionally terminate a human pregnancy, with the knowledge and voluntary consent of the pregnant person, after the end of the second trimester of the pregnancy." At least 37 states have similar laws. Taylor spent two days in jail before being released. That's right, a pregnant woman was jailed for admitting to
thinking about an abortion at some point early in her pregnancy and then having the audacity to fall down some stairs a couple of months later. Please tell me you find this as horrifying as I do.
The District Attorney -- after three weeks of investigation -- eventually declined to prosecute Taylor. Before you get too happy, keep in mind that this decision was made, not because the arrest was travesty to begin with, but because it came to light that Taylor was late in her second trimester when she fell, not early in her third as the hospital staff had thought. I guess you are allowed to trip and fall in the first two-thirds of your pregnancy in Iowa, but do so in your last third and the long arm of the law will grab you by your swollen ankles.

Pregnant Iowa Woman Arrested for Falling Down | Change.org News

I am in complete disbelief here. May all that bad karma come back and bite each and every one of them on the ass. The people of Iowa need to protest, this can't be allowed to continue. :soapbox:
 

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... I fail to understand how these Christian conservatives can consider themselves "Christ like" while figuratively kicking the same poor and sick people that Jesus dedicated his life to. I also find it quite arrogant for anyone to assume themselves to be acting on God's behalf, as this speaks of a self-importance that is just sickening. It seems many have forgotten the basis of Christ's teachings, which is to be kind to each other. Instead they spend their time twisting scripture for their own agenda.

Not to hijack the thread, but...

Just wait until their Ministry of Truth finishes correcting the Gospels.
Blessed are conservative in Bible translation - U.S. news - Faith - msnbc.com
Conservative Bible Project - Conservapedia

I couldn't make up anything as crazy as what's at Conservapedia. It was the liberals that removed or watered down Jesus's free-market parables, and "Jesus might never had said ['Father forgive them']."
 

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Not to hijack the thread, but...

Just wait until their Ministry of Truth finishes correcting the Gospels.
Blessed are conservative in Bible translation - U.S. news - Faith - msnbc.com
Conservative Bible Project - Conservapedia

I couldn't make up anything as crazy as what's at Conservapedia. It was the liberals that removed or watered down Jesus's free-market parables, and "Jesus might never had said ['Father forgive them']."
Not a hijack really, since it's religious fundamentalism, Christian fundamentalism in particular, that is the philosophy and the fuel behind the anti-abortion crusade.

Christian fundamentalists have a long tradition of obsessing over literal, personal interpretations of select bible passages, while ignoring those that don't conform with their own particular brand of theology - in short, creating God in their own image.

From your linked article [edited and reconstructed with emphasis added]:
Experts who have devoted their careers to unraveling the ancient texts of the Scriptures, many in long-extinct languages, are predictably skeptical about a project by amateur translators. "This is not making scripture understandable to people today, it's reworking scripture to support a particular political or social agenda," said Timothy Paul Jones, a professor at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Kentucky, who calls himself a theological conservative. Jones says the project is a misguided effort to read contemporary politics back into the text.

The project's authors argue that contemporary scholars have inserted liberal views and ahistorical passages into the Bible, turning Jesus into little more than a well-meaning social worker with a store of watered-down platitudes. "Professors are the most liberal group of people in the world, and it's professors who are doing the popular modern translations of the Bible," said Andy Schlafly, founder of Conservapedia.com, the project's online home. Schlafly's project is distinctive [though] because non-experts collaborate Wiki-style on the Internet to produce their version. "The best of the public is better than a group of experts," said Schlafly, whose mother, Phyllis, is a longtime conservative activist known for her opposition to the Equal Rights Amendment.

Consider the source. :rolleyes2:

 

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I met someone that allowed his 12 year-old son to die because of his belief in "Lord's will". I don't remember what he had but it was completely treatable and they let him die painfully. Why is it "Lord's Will" when sickness occurs, but it's not when medical cures are discovered and applied to cure sickness? I truly can't get started about these people....:mad:

There have been successful (if you can use such an expression for that circumstance) prosecutions of Christian Scientists who've let their children die in this manner, but in most cases, courts intervene and the child is removed from such abusive/negligent parents.

As far as abortion goes, what would happen if a woman were required to have an abortion under certain criteria? For example, let's say a homeless woman (who is also mentally ill) gets raped and becomes pregnant. Should she be forced to have an abortion? Her lack of resources and mental capacity certainly could support the abortion option, but what if she wanted to keep the baby? Despite her limited faculties should she still maintain the right to choose? Should the law intervene and force this abortion upon her? Who decides what is best for this woman? Herself? The law? Medical professionals? Again, not rhetorical questions, just presenting a scenario to challenge the beliefs of both sides of this argument.

I know that it's somewhat comparing tangerines and oranges, but my youngest sister's affect is most easily described as "autistic" (technically she's not, but the description still fits as would be understood by most people); she's not mentally ill so much as developmentally disabled. When she was 15, she suffered a series of sexual assaults from the man who drove her bus home from school, and it wasn't apparent until she became so self-abusive as to have nearly fractured her skull (she did manage to pull out most of her hair).

Had these assaults resulted in pregnancy (a very real possibility which thankfully did not occur), no one in his or her right mind would consider allowing it to come to term. The responsibility for this decision would ultimately come from her legal guardian (in this case, my mother, who would have had no qualms about it despite being a staunchly conservative, rock-ribbed Republican). I'm sure it varies under specific circumstances and jurisdictions, but wouldn't someone with so severe a level of mental illness be the responsibility of just such a guardian?

How diminished must one get before such situations become mandatory?
 

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Here they go again:
GOP Bill Would Force IRS to Conduct Abortion Audits


Under a GOP-backed bill expected to sail through the House of Representatives, the Internal Revenue Service would be forced to police how Americans have paid for their abortions. To ensure that taxpayers complied with the law, IRS agents would have to investigate whether certain terminated pregnancies were the result of rape or incest. And one tax expert says that the measure could even lead to questions on tax forms: Have you had an abortion? Did you keep your receipt?
In testimony to a House taxation subcommittee on Wednesday, Thomas Barthold, the chief of staff of the nonpartisan Joint Tax Committee, confirmed that one consequence of the Republicans' "No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act" would be to turn IRS agents into abortion cops—that is, during an audit, they'd have to detemine, from evidence provided by the taxpayer, whether any tax benefit had been inappropriately used to pay for an abortion.


GOP Bill Would Force IRS to Conduct Abortion Audits | Mother Jones
 

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you retarded ass liberals are beyond stupid! not saying conservatives don't have their moments, because they do, but liberals make it a full time job being morons! you talk about women's reproductive rights as though they're trying to stop them from fucking! its about what happens after they did so irresponsibly and want to destroy a life that somehow nobody on the left seems to consider a life even after 24 wks and that the child has no rights! no matter what any conservative has ever voiced about abortion, their policies have always been the same, even romney's....abortion only for rape, incest, health of mother and/or child and not after 20 wks. the clinics meet health standards, which is why many closed in texas because they were absolute shit holes! that the dr. have hospital rights...in other words better health and safety, but that davis woman filibustered trying to stop it and you dumb ass liberals thought she was great, because as usual, instead of doing your own research you just listened to the propaganda. trust me, i get the whole "its my body my choice" thing, but when thats been abused to the point of stop using common sense and responsibility in preventing pregnancy to the point that we as a country have aborted enough babies to equate the population of most countries!!! something is wrong! and its usually the poor and minorities who are effected most and suffers through this. abortion has stopped being the last resort in this country, but instead has become the go to remedy for a night of irresponsibility, because now they're handed out as easy as candy on halloween. there's about 20 different ways to prevent pregnancies, most as cheap as just one typical meal eaten out in a month. if a woman has bought more clothes, shoes, $150 or more a month phone bill for her $800 iphone5 siri, entertainment, drinks, whatever....she can buy birth control!
It seems we have another new entry in the "Who Will Be the Poster Boy for What Is Wrong With the GOP?" contest. This one is really special because he joins the site and on his first day he locates a long neglected thread(last post was March 2011) and posts this drivel. When someone searches for LPSG is there something in the description that doesn't say it's a large penis site? Why do these trolls join this site and run straight to the politics forum?
 

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It seems we have another new entry in the "Who Will Be the Poster Boy for What Is Wrong With the GOP?" contest. This one is really special because he joins the site and on his first day he locates a long neglected thread(last post was March 2011) and posts this drivel. When someone searches for LPSG is there something in the description that doesn't say it's a large penis site? Why do these trolls join this site and run straight to the politics forum?

And he does it with a wall of text no less.

I know why they're flocking to this site. Its called desperation. They think their power within the United States (cause its mostly americans) is waning. They are afraid, desperate and filled with unexplain-able anger. Any time they see "one of their own" get owned by someone in a discussion they feel the need to back them up.

And i think its also because not many people even care to venture into the politics section here. I've personally tried to avoid it as it is filled to the brim with trolls, people that don't even know the meaning of a respectful discussion, those with an over arching and sometimes sly/under the radar agenda. And since many people don't pay attention, most come here to be the right nice assholes they normally are. Yup, just people looking for more isolation and a place to yell the loudest.
 

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And he does it with a wall of text no less.

I know why they're flocking to this site. Its called desperation. They think their power within the United States (cause its mostly americans) is waning. They are afraid, desperate and filled with unexplain-able anger. Any time they see "one of their own" get owned by someone in a discussion they feel the need to back them up.

And i think its also because not many people even care to venture into the politics section here. I've personally tried to avoid it as it is filled to the brim with trolls, people that don't even know the meaning of a respectful discussion, those with an over arching and sometimes sly/under the radar agenda. And since many people don't pay attention, most come here to be the right nice assholes they normally are. Yup, just people looking for more isolation and a place to yell the loudest.
Pretty spot on. The sane and rational Conservatives that used to post here have been replaced by a bunch that surely embarrasses them. When you have so called Conservatives who can only parrot the talking points fed to them by Fox or AM talk radio and who are unable to make a decent attempt at defending their views it is pathetic and laughable. The good thing is that over time the trolls get sloppy and their true nature is revealed to the Mods and they are eventually banned.
 

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Pretty spot on. The sane and rational Conservatives that used to post here have been replaced by a bunch that surely embarrasses them. When you have so called Conservatives who can only parrot the talking points fed to them by Fox or AM talk radio and who are unable to make a decent attempt at defending their views it is pathetic and laughable. The good thing is that over time the trolls get sloppy and their true nature is revealed to the Mods and they are eventually banned.

Read an article not to long ago that leads me to suspect that many of those rational conservatives now label themselves as independents. Which sounds like a whole bucket of awesome to me. I not only hope they stay independents. But that they vote across parties lines based solely on the issues and backgrounds of the candidates when there aren't independents available. That would be hella sweet. :biggrin1:
 

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LOL!! Are we REALLY going to trumpet an individual with ONE post who begins it with "you retarded ass liberals" as the poster boy for what ails Conservatism?

In the words of Ed Lover, c'mon son, fuck outta here with that shit.
 

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LOL!! Are we REALLY going to trumpet an individual with ONE post who begins it with "you retarded ass liberals" as the poster boy for what ails Conservatism?

In the words of Ed Lover, c'mon son, fuck outta here with that shit.
Who pissed in your cornflakes? All this attitude is gonna turn right back on you.

The moron I responded to is a representation of what is wrong with the so called Conservative/Republican/Tea Party. He can't argue any valid points, speaks only in tired talking points with no basis in fact, spews nothing but bile for those who don't think as he does, and seemingly has a desire to tell women what to do with their bodies. He joined this site with the intention of doing nothing but trolling. He only made one post but other so called conservative newcomers have joined and have been doing the same. How could anyone take someone who admits that he won't even consider anything that contradicts his opinion, calls all differing information provided to him spin, and when asked to defend his position refuses to even try as serious?
 

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LOL!! Are we REALLY going to trumpet an individual with ONE post who begins it with "you retarded ass liberals" as the poster boy for what ails Conservatism?

In the words of Ed Lover, c'mon son, fuck outta here with that shit.

This, from a white male that compared the NAACP with a terrorist organization. Last time i checked the kkk has murdered at least if not over 1,000 american citizens with plans to do way more and you Mr, just has to reference black entertainers every chance he gets think that both are "harmful groups".

Last time i checked (and feel really weird having to say, because you obviously were trying to influence individuals with your sly talk) the NAACP hasn't murder not one person...not a one.

You can try to put forth this image of being fair and unbaised but its kind of clear that you're one of two kinds of people.

Either you are the expected, measured kind of white male in america that uses the same "they aren't smart enough to understand that i'm insulting them" group or the trolls that pass themselves off as worthy participants in a discussion when their main goal is to cause more damage and discourse for no discernible reason.

Either way you still fit very well in the category of a racebilaiter.

So yeah...come on son.


Yet another false argument there is no war on women's reproductive rights dam would you stop believing everything you hear in the news. THINK FOR A BIT

It would really help your case to have some facts to back up your da-nile (ha i can make black/african references too yay!) of other people's arguments. Unless of course you have no facts. Unless of course you're just plainly against anything and anyone you don't like. Unless of course you are a troll that just likes to screw with people. If so just reply to this or anything else without any attempt at a fact and people will know loud and clear.