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[quote author=BIGBOYDAVE link=board=99;num=1048153410;start=30#38 date=03/28/03 at 13:23:44] but we don't hate the Iraqui people  DO WE?[/quote]

No, of course not. We love and care for the Iraqi people and want to 'liberate' them; that's why we're dropping bombs on them.
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[quote author=DoubleMeatWhopper link=board=99;num=1048153410;start=30#40 date=03/29/03 at 02:40:05]

No, of course not. We love and care for the Iraqi people and want to 'liberate' them; that's why we're dropping bombs on them.
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What's funny about this is how colonialism has affected non-Western peoples in the past. When Britain banned clitoral excision (commonly called female circumcision), it just made it a symbol of pan-African identity and suddenly everyone was doing it.
 

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you may be right about me not having all the information to make the correct decision or express an opinion.....but ya know, i doubt if dubya and rummy have a clue. unfortunately, they are making decisions.

it may be that dubya and cohorts may reshape the middle east. iraqi exiles are streaming home to fight not for saddam but for their country, arabs are reported to infiltrating to fight the american and british crusaders, and the shiites have not revolted and streamed to support those who came to liberate. this afternoon, i caught the tail-end of a news interview(s); the jist was that increasingly saddam was becoming a figure of respect throughout the arab world. it may be that dubya is going to achieve what nasser in the 1950's was not able to do....pan-arabism. as i understand it, an arab monolith arrayed against the colonial, christain west. [yeah, yeah my grandfather told me about pan-arabism this weekend.]

finally, as a taxpayer i should have a voice in how my tax dollars are spent. i can suggest a better use for them than waging this war, rebuilding the country, and occupying iraq for 3, 5 or 10 years. the belief that iraqi oil will pay the costs of all this is fiction. iraq is hundreds of billions of dollars in arrears on its reparations to iran and kuwait and owes many other countries huge amounts.

a trillion dollars or so could create a lot of homeland security, train first responders, provide critical educational programs, and maybe help a few more people get on the path to a better tomorrow. hell, why not spend some money on new toys for the military.

jay
 

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What do I say?

I say, thank God we are surrounded by heros who fight on (and in many cases, give their lives) so that we at home may feel a little more secure.

I'm grateful to these men and women, and to their families, for their sacrifice.

There may have been some 'tongue-in-cheek-ness' in Mr. Bockhorn's comments but he expressed his humble pride in such sacrifice very well.

If only others could put aside political prejudices and cynicism long enough to experience the same epiphany.

Pecker
 

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Here we go...

Striking Baghdad took place one hour and half after the expiry of the ultimatum. They seemed limited, far from the massive dropping of 3 000 bombs announced by the Pentagon under the term of phase of "shock and fear". One indicated that more than 40 cruise missiles Tomahawk had been launched by four cruisers, two American submarines ; F-117 A bombers had been also used.
On MSNBC, Norman Schwarzkopf, who had co-ordinated the military offensive against Iraq in 1991, was astonished that the offensive started by limited strikes: « My initial reaction was a total shock because we thought that that would start with a giant attack against the downtown area. »

... March 20, 2003...


Seems like yesterday.
 

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Has anyone ever thought how different the entire world would have been these past 8 years if Al Gore has been president, as he was ELECTED TO BE and the Republicans stole the election. Amazing how much damage the village idiot of Texas has done!