Was Dan Quayle exactly right when he criticized *Murphy Brown*?

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I remember seeing that episod, with DAN QUAYLE criticising 'MURPHY BROWN'... although understanding NOW that he wasn't right, because a persons own will is the most important thing - IT'S free will, even when third parties - children - are mixed in the meddle.
for HIS time I think IT was the right decision. allowing monoparental families isn't the best or greatest thing. NOT that you shouldn't have the choice, but incoranging it ISN'T all that right!

BUT that's just mho! :D

A true conservative would believe that it's none of the government's business to comment about how or with whom another adult decides to reproduce because, as you point out, it is the free will of the parties involved.

Unfortunately for the Republican party, conservatism as it is now defined, has little to do with keeping the government out of the private lives of its citizens, holding to the principles of the founding fathers, and everything to do with fascism.
 

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Most of the responses here are just blatant anti-right drivel... without even addressing statistical fact. Bed wetting liberals are classic to tie in plight with stats... so I'm curious what the poverty, crime, rates, etc... are among single parent children then layer on the ethnic aspect.


Exactly.

Sorry dude... there's no logical link between poverty & crime rates to those who were raised by a single parent. There's plenty of fucked up family situations in picket-fenced Suburbia where the child has BOTH parents and still turn out to be misfits.

It's not anti-right drivel, as you so adamantly put it. I don't think anyone here disagrees that having a loving, caring & responsible mother and father available to raise a child is the best solution. But it's not the only solution. The problem with Dan Quayle's statement is that he suggested that this was the only way. Which is a direct insult to those single moms and dads who bust their ass everyday to make sure their kids are raised properly.

It's also an insult to my mom, who did her best to raise 6 children after my dad passed away. Not that I'm taking it out on you or anything, but even without a father for the majority of my life I turned out fine. And so have millions of others in the same circumstances.
 
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It's also an insult to my mom, who did her best to raise 6 children after my dad passed away. Not that I'm taking it out on you or anything, but even without a father for the majority of my life I turned out fine. And so haven't millions of others in the same circumstances.

Thank you for pointing this out. So often we hear how deficient single-parent households are when back in WW II widowed mothers were elevated as paragons of American womanhood.

A widow with a newborn is a noble. A single mom with a newborn is irresponsible. I think that social dichotomy clearly demonstrates just what questionable moral purpose these sort of statements make. What difference does it make? Two women left alone with children should mean that both are equally unqualified to raise their kids yet we don't see it that way. Whether the father is a deadbeat or just plain dead seems to make all the difference and that criticism becomes just absurd; more absurd than a fictional TV character who clearly had the wealth and means to raise a child on her own.
 

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I knew the answers I was going to get. :) And I posted this in the most eye catching way I could, DAN QUAYLE!

I am a staunch neocon right wing reactionary. Of course I am 100% in favor of TWO PARENT FAMILIES and wouild discourage one parent families if I could. Now the 2 parent families can be 2 gay men or 2 lesbian women or a gay and lespian mom dad, in my world.

What I love is that no one will draw a line in the sand even tho lines in the sand get drawn whether you like it or not. Are there any lines in the sand? Or do lines only get drawn in issues that might rile conservatives?

No wonder folks here are unhappy. Or post in a way that seems unhappy.

You are talking to an audience that is composed of, for self-selected reasons I can't begin to understand, the intellectual equivalent of a doorknob. They watch their televisions, absorb, memorize, and recite. Never try to teach a pig to sing.

On the subject of big dicks, this is a great, interesting and fun group. On anything as substantial as the subject you raised, you're just wasting your time. I agree with you about Quayle, but you can't make these people think. They can only repeat what they've been taught.
 

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You are talking to an audience that is composed of, for self-selected reasons I can't begin to understand, the intellectual equivalent of a doorknob. They watch their televisions, absorb, memorize, and recite. Never try to teach a pig to sing.

On the subject of big dicks, this is a great, interesting and fun group. On anything as substantial as the subject you raised, you're just wasting your time. I agree with you about Quayle, but you can't make these people think. They can only repeat what they've been taught.

Come down off your pedestal much? :tongue:
 

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I knew the answers I was going to get. :) And I posted this in the most eye catching way I could, DAN QUAYLE!

I am a staunch neocon right wing reactionary. Of course I am 100% in favor of TWO PARENT FAMILIES and wouild discourage one parent families if I could. Now the 2 parent families can be 2 gay men or 2 lesbian women or a gay and lespian mom dad, in my world.

What I love is that no one will draw a line in the sand even tho lines in the sand get drawn whether you like it or not. Are there any lines in the sand? Or do lines only get drawn in issues that might rile conservatives?

No wonder folks here are unhappy. Or post in a way that seems unhappy.
Actually you can discourage one parent families, keep abortion legal and just force the single women to get abortions :rolleyes:

I thought Republicans and conservatives were for personal choice. Even if in your mind it is a bad choice. I wouldn't say anyone is encouraging single parenthood. A child is a lifetime commitment.