Was Jesus Christ hung?
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Religious iconography of crucifixion scenes often misrepresents some of the details. For one thing, victims were usually stripped naked. The nails are driven through the wrists, not the hands, because the weight of the victim's body would shred the hands and allow the victim to fall off the cross maimed but not dead. The feet were similarly pierced just below the ankles.
While you might think that the pain and blood loss associated with this process would be the cause of death, that is not the case.
The cause of death in most crucifixions is actually suffocation. The victim has enough stability where the feet are nailed down to hold his body up (most victims were males). When the victim relaxes his legs and sags, the weight of his body drags the chest and shoulders down, hyperextending the arms and making it impossible to expel air from the lungs.
Despite the hopelessness of his plight and the excruciating pain caused by every movement, the human body is hard-wired to draw breath by whatever means necessary, even when it doesn't make sense (which is why you can't kill yourself by holding your breath).
Therefore, when the crucifixion victim sags and can't breathe, a virtually undeniable instinct causes him to straighten his legs in order to draw a breath. This causes excruciating pain. The process then repeats. Done properly, it can take days for a crucifixion victim to die.
So, ziggity, even if an erection results from the body's unimaginable trauma for hours, or even days, I'm sure pleasure is the last thing on the victim's mind.
And to think the Christ did all this so we wouldn't have to.
jeepwranglerboi
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I don't know about Jesus but Buddha's went down to his knee flaccid! 
My Sunday School roots are recoiling in horror from this thread, guys. I mean... dude.
...And about that whole "Jesus being married" thing... DMW, I think you're right. There's too much evidence to support it, especially in the non-included gospels and early Christian literature. Those crazy monks in the 3rd century really fucked up the Bible.
...And about that whole "Jesus being married" thing... DMW, I think you're right. There's too much evidence to support it, especially in the non-included gospels and early Christian literature. Those crazy monks in the 3rd century really fucked up the Bible.
Technically, no. Jesus was not hung. The Bible is very clear on this.
He was crucified.
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Technically, no. Jesus was not hung. The Bible is very clear on this.
He was crucified.
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[/b][/quote]Wilsonst,
Thank you for the definitve answer!
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Why do you assume that Jesus was a virgin? Early Christian tradition had it that Mary Magdalene was the wife of Jesus. It was also popular tradition that Jesus fathered three children by her: a daughter named Tamar, and two sons named Jesus and Joseph. There are apocryphal gospels dating back to the first century A. D. that specifically referred to Mary Magdalene as his wife. And look at the story of the wedding at Cana: Jesus gave orders to the servants concerning the serving of wine and they obeyed without question. Who was the only person at a first century Jewish wedding with authority to deal with the servants at a banquet? The groom ... and only the groom. The wine was the groom's responsibility. Some scholars believe that the wedding of Cana was Jesus's own wedding. And we know that the apostles were married, so why wouldn't we expect Jesus to be married as well. Except for the Essenes, the Jews of Jesus's day were expected to marry.
Now about the Shroud of Turin: I have studied quite a lot about the Shroud. If it is a forgery, it is the most brilliant forgery ever produced. The forger had anatomical knowledge that was not available in medieval times. If it is a forgery, it's a bigger mystery than what it's purported to be. For my part, the more I read about the Shroud of Turin, the more I believe it to be genuine. And I believe that the Shroud, the Mandylion and the Image of Edessa are one and the same thing.
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[/b][/quote]dmw it has become a popular believe that Mary Magdeline was the wife of Jesus and they produced children but the Roman Catholic Church does not believe this. As the Blessed Mary remained a virgin so did her son. The Roman Catholic Church has also entertained the idea that Blessed Mary's mother conceived her without original sin. Jesus was born without sin and therefore we believe that he remained pure his entire earthly life. As far as i was taught some like to believe Mary Magdeline was a former prostitute before meeting Jesus. Jesus befriended her and she saw the truth and began following Jesus' teachings, but they were never married.
Religious iconography of crucifixion scenes often misrepresents some of the details. For one thing, victims were usually stripped naked. The nails are driven through the wrists, not the hands, because the weight of the victim's body would shred the hands and allow the victim to fall off the cross maimed but not dead. The feet were similarly pierced just below the ankles.
While you might think that the pain and blood loss associated with this process would be the cause of death, that is not the case.
The cause of death in most crucifixions is actually suffocation. The victim has enough stability where the feet are nailed down to hold his body up (most victims were males). When the victim relaxes his legs and sags, the weight of his body drags the chest and shoulders down, hyperextending the arms and making it impossible to expel air from the lungs.
Despite the hopelessness of his plight and the excruciating pain caused by every movement, the human body is hard-wired to draw breath by whatever means necessary, even when it doesn't make sense (which is why you can't kill yourself by holding your breath).
Therefore, when the crucifixion victim sags and can't breathe, a virtually undeniable instinct causes him to straighten his legs in order to draw a breath. This causes excruciating pain. The process then repeats. Done properly, it can take days for a crucifixion victim to die.
So, ziggity, even if an erection results from the body's unimaginable trauma for hours, or even days, I'm sure pleasure is the last thing on the victim's mind.
And to think the Christ did all this so we wouldn't have to.
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[/b][/quote]this information is very interesting but we all know (or should know) that Jesus endured unimaginable pain and torture to save us and for our sins....the nails through the hands and feet were just another way to make him suffer just a little bit more...
Originally posted by ChimeraTX@Feb 17 2005, 11:27 PM
I wasn't trying to piss anyone off, but I guess it would be stupid to think that would not be the case. :lol: I was just wondering whether people would associate Jesus's charisma with large genitals. I think the too are somewhat related, but one can hardly compare ancient Israel to the modern world. I didn't make this thread in bad taste. I was just trying to incite a good conversation.
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i dont think you pissed everyone off, but i dont know if anyone wants to stand close to you for quite awhile....
okay, the definition of marriage today has not always meant the same thing throughout history please understand this....there is evidence that Jesus Christ DID exist (not his bones because we all know he ascended into heaven) but those that followed Jesus wrote about him and these writings were written not together but had the same information (for the most part) in them. Personally, i believe in Jesus Christ and if i am wrong i would rather be wrong than find out after i die that he does in fact exist. think about that one.
However, it is not a new belief, and the Catholic Church did once believe so as far back as the late fifth century. The Merovingian Kings of France claimed descent from Jesus and Mary Magdalene, and Pope Athanasius swore fealty to Clovis, the first Catholic King of the Franks, as being the scion of the Saviour. Until the rise of the Carolingian dynasty, the Christian Church of Rome maintained the belief that Clovis and his descendants were the rightful kings of Frankish Gaul by virtue of their Messianic lineage. Incidently, The Blessed Mother wasn't proclaimed 'ever-virgin' until several centuries after the Gospels were written. The perpetual virginity of Mary had no place in early Christianity. The first patriarch of the Christian Church of Jerusalem, St. James, whom St. Paul called 'the brother of our Lord', was accepted as being the younger son of Mary in the early days of the Church.
Are you seriously equating virginity with sinlessness?
However, there is no Scriptural basis for that notion. Mary Magdalene was never portrayed as a repentant prostitute until mediaeval times, and that belief is not based on a single passage in the New Testament.
Many of the Stuarts and Sinclairs of Scotland would disagree with you. They claim Messianic descent.
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I agree with hung_big about believing in Jesus and finding out you are wrong at death rather than not and discovering otherwise...
Before I get all goofy on you guys, I need to point out that not only does crucifixion cause asphyxiation, but it also causes the shoulders to go out of socket... it's actually the displaced shoulder joints that crush the lungs... (i did a research paper on Jesus for english back in my bible thumper days...)
so...
here's my two cents in the matter...
anyone on here ever seen the movie Dogma? Maybe Jesus was like the angels on that movie and didn't have a penis to begin with (and when he was circumcised they just cut flesh from where it would be)...
Or...
maybe Jesus, since he could perform miracles, could be as large as he wanted or as small as he wanted...
some better questions would be:
Did Jesus ever use his power to see women naked?
Did Jesus ever use his power to show off to his childhood friends?
Was Jesus really as tall as he seemed, or did he levitate on a regular basis?
Was the virgin Mary possibly strokin Joseph's penis and got cum on her vagina, thus causing her to become pregnant, and that she made up the whole story to cover her ass?
Did Jesus masturbate? Or, did he use his powers to get off without using his hands?
Before I get all goofy on you guys, I need to point out that not only does crucifixion cause asphyxiation, but it also causes the shoulders to go out of socket... it's actually the displaced shoulder joints that crush the lungs... (i did a research paper on Jesus for english back in my bible thumper days...)
so...
here's my two cents in the matter...
anyone on here ever seen the movie Dogma? Maybe Jesus was like the angels on that movie and didn't have a penis to begin with (and when he was circumcised they just cut flesh from where it would be)...
Or...
maybe Jesus, since he could perform miracles, could be as large as he wanted or as small as he wanted...
some better questions would be:
Did Jesus ever use his power to see women naked?
Did Jesus ever use his power to show off to his childhood friends?
Was Jesus really as tall as he seemed, or did he levitate on a regular basis?
Was the virgin Mary possibly strokin Joseph's penis and got cum on her vagina, thus causing her to become pregnant, and that she made up the whole story to cover her ass?
Did Jesus masturbate? Or, did he use his powers to get off without using his hands?
Many of the Stuarts and Sinclairs of Scotland would disagree with you. They claim Messianic descent.
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[/b][/quote]decendents of Jesus Christ have been debunct a long time ago but if you choose to believe their is lineage roaming around that is your perogative (spelling?) but i chose not to believe it along with about 30 million Roman Catholics.
my church has survived longer than any other and i have faith in what i am being taught is the truest ---i rely on theologists and the Vatican to inform me on what is the truth
pray for the Pope today if you havent already done so (this is to EVERYONE)---thanks for my 2cents
jeepwranglerboi
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Why would you think that the descendants of JC have been debunked? Also, I hate to burst your bubble but the Roman Catholic Church is by no means the oldest practice of religion if that is what you were indeed referring to. If you were referring to the oldest sect of Christianity, I would think that the Judeo-Christian are a bit more likely to hold that title. Why rely on the Vatican for the truth? It has been corrupt and dysfunctional for hundreds of years. Last but not least, I wish no one ill will but why would I pray for someone who believes that I am an abomination to all of the human race? Call me crazy, but I just don't get it.
As a Roman Catholic we don't eat meat on Fridays is a SACRAMENTAL (meaning it is symbolic)...we do this sacrifice to strengthen and discipline ourselves so that we become closer to God. When we consciencely don't eat meat we think of God and what he gave up for us. its just one thing we do.
I understand not everyone on this site believes in God but I did assume like 90% do. Jesus Christ was not believed to be the Messiah by some but he had many followers and his teachings in the now Roman Catholic tradition have survived for over 2000 years longer than any other religion known to man.
it is very normal for individuals to question their faith and their religion but it is very normal for others to help fill in some of those answers to one's questions.
I agree that everyone should HELP OTHERS and do God's Will and try to live a life that has been blueprinted to us from Jesus Christ. The trouble is when people become selective and think they are not doing bad and think they are good when they dont do anything to help others. Following God's Will is rather tough and we can never achieve his status and sure we faulter etc but its more than just 'let's be good to everyone.'
Jesus Christ was more than 'just a man' he was the human incarnation of God sent here to guide our lives and to direct us so that when we die we can live in his father's kingdom for all eternity.
