We amuse the President...

[Qua]

Gee whiz, Qua, you certainly have low expectations for this Century. :smile:

You are completely correct on that assumption :frown1:

Perhaps I'm just in a young cynical phase, but the direction in which this country is headed (independent of who's in the White House/Congress) doesn't seem like a positive one. I'm sure everything will be fine if China doesn't buy us outright, but there are just so many prophets of doom who seem to have a point.

 

[Industrialsize]

Trin, trin, trin trin trin trin...

It's like this, you know as well as I, that several things are true of the Polkatics board here at LPSG,

1)Politics here is like polka dancing, swift moves in straight lines going
essentially nowhere, then returning to point A.
2)Politics here is like polka dots- none of them connecting
3)The majority of posters in politics lean towards liberal sentimentality,
mired forever in lust for their heroes, FDR and Bill Clinton and what they
recall (often erroneously) as halcyonic times.
(though they'll deny all of it)
4)The liberal leaners never feel a need to provide proof or links; however,
if you are not an ultra liberal, if you even have a twinge of
conservatism, you must not only provide links, they must be to liberal
approved locations.
5)Industrialsize and others will change text- and not just yours. Some will
even stoop so low as to change their own statements, as shown here:

http://www.lpsg.org/2713469-post5.html wherein we find wording
altered from the original quoted text of the same poster, thus changing
meaning (to serve their purpose)
6)Other matters- far too many to list all of them; you know what they are
from past experience.
7)Politiics here is not generally attended to by people with actual ideas or
thoughts of their own, they quote and requote (and then alter text
and 'quote') the latest liberal hero for their proof, or the latest
conservative bash target (all Republicans) as proof that they (the
Reps) want the people to suffer eternally. When a person with fresh
ideas enters the ring, they panic and unless you rehash their script,
you are as good as destroyed.

You think you have me all figured out.......NEWSFLASH...........you don't.

 

[Northland]

You think you have me all figured out.......NEWSFLASH...........you don't.

Newer newsflash...

NEVER CLAIMED THAT I DID:smile:


My post was speaking on the political trend of this board, it specifically mentioned you because you had quoted something, then 're'quoted it with a change, which altered the context and meaning, something which many have seen fit to do. Further, when it is done on the LPSG board, to the benefit of the Dems/Libs or detriment of Reps/Cons it is applauded or largely ignored. When done in the opposite direction it is attacked and the person(s) doing said attacking win the praise of the left.

 

[Northland]

and by the way Industrialsize, you proved my points.:smile:

 

[B_VinylBoy]

1)Politics here is like polka dancing, swift moves in straight lines going
essentially nowhere, then returning to point A.
2)Politics here is like polka dots- none of them connecting
3)The majority of posters in politics lean towards liberal sentimentality,
mired forever in lust for their heroes, FDR and Bill Clinton and what they
recall (often erroneously) as halcyonic times.
(though they'll deny all of it)
4)The liberal leaners never feel a need to provide proof or links; however,
if you are not an ultra liberal, if you even have a twinge of
conservatism, you must not only provide links, they must be to liberal
approved locations.
5)Industrialsize and others will change text- and not just yours. Some will
even stoop so low as to change their own statements

So next time you bring up an argument, will we expect you to demonstrate to the liberals how it's supposed to be done or are you going to make up more bullshit like this? Like Indy said, you think you have it all figured out and you're the absolute farthest from the real deal.

Thank God Edward Stratemeyer didn't decide to base his franchise on your investigative style or else it would have failed on the very first paragraph.

 

[Northland]

I thought I heard a sound...must have been a liberal attempting to think.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

I thought I heard a sound...must have been a liberal attempting to think.

No, it was your ass attempting to speak. Clean your ears.
Learn something very quickly around here, Northland. Stick with the facts and perhaps you may have a leg to stand on. Your ideologies need not apply in a debate that requires them.

 

[Northland]

No, it was your ass attempting to speak. Clean your ears.

Cleaned the ears this morning:smile:!

Learn something very quickly around here, Northland. Stick with the facts and perhaps you may have a leg to stand on.

Facts, or what you and the left have deternined to be facts according to your desires? I have often provided links to actual facts only to have you and your whackadoodle crew cry foul and to derride them. At other times, I state my views (at times giving a link related to the view), which is what happens in discussions. Not all views will agree with those you hold, nor will all agreee with mine- that is why it is a DISCUSSION and not a "REPEAT WHAT THE PREVIOUS POSTER SAID" board. Discussion, wherein we discuss ideas, wherein we say what we think and tell how we arrived at these thoughts.

Your ideologies need not apply in a debate that requires them.

Actually, and this may be a shocker to you, considering you stupidly believe you know nearly everything, a true debate, does include ideologies. Without them, it's one sided repetition- oh, wait, that is precisely what you want.

 

[deleted15807]

I thought I heard a sound...must have been a liberal attempting to think.

No it was gunfire from another right-wing lunatic taking out a crowd of people or was it a plane crashing into the IRS? :wink:

 

[Northland]

No it was gunfire from another right-wing lunatic taking out a crowd of people or was it a plane crashing into the IRS? :wink:

It's known that planes don't crash into the IRS, the IRS levitates and gets in the way of planes.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Cleaned the ears this morning:smile:!

Use soap next time.

Facts, or what you and the left have deternined to be facts according to your desires?

I haven't even provided a "desire" for you to even make this assessment.

I have often provided links to actual facts only to have you and your whackadoodle crew cry foul and to derride them.

I provide links to my arguments too. SEVERAL of them. And all people like you do is hide behind your shield of ideology as if your beliefs exonerates you from understanding what another person's reality may be like.

The only time when I don't provide a link is when I express a sentiment that should be common knowledge to an adult. I shouldn't have to provide a link that explains how a flat tax doesn't benefit the poor financially. And if you need one, then that tells a LOT about your own intellectualism.

Not all views will agree with those you hold, nor will all agreee with mine- that is why it is a DISCUSSION and not a "REPEAT WHAT THE PREVIOUS POSTER SAID" board. Discussion, wherein we discuss ideas, wherein we say what we think and tell how we arrived at these thoughts.

Tell that to yourself sometime. No need to preach ideology if you don't follow it.

Actually, and this may be a shocker to you, considering you stupidly believe you know nearly everything,

I don't believe, nor do I want to know everything. However, at this current juncture I have demonstrated that I know more than you and you're trying to portray yourself as being the more intellectual one.

a true debate, does include ideologies.

Ideologies are nothing more than a set or moralistic beliefs that help you form your opinions. Telling people that you believe in "smaller government" does nothing to help us find a solution to ending the wars in the Middle East. Saying that you believe in "lower taxes" doesn't help us solve the nation's Unemployment problem. Bellowing your paranoia about Obama being "more Muslim than a Christian" does NOTHING to help better our relations with our foreign allies and/or adversaries. Beating your chest about "working hard" does nothing to help lessen the burden on people who work twice as hard as you ever will yet still struggle to make ends meet.

A person like you doesn't know when to stop making your "I Have A Dream" speech and focus on actually doing something about it.

Without them, it's one sided repetition- oh, wait, that is precisely what you want.

Actually, if I told you what I wanted you to do right now I'd probably be banned for it. So, why don't you use your "ideologies" and figure that one out for yourself, OK?

 

[Northland]

Apparentlt you are unable to read either.

Use soap next time.



I haven't even provided a "desire" for you to even make this assessment. Open to conjecture.

I provide links to my arguments too. SEVERAL of them. And all people like you-'people like you'- interesting. do is hide behind your shield of ideology as if your beliefs exonerates you from understanding what another person's reality may be like.

The only time when I don't provide a link is when I express a sentiment that should be common knowledge to an adult. I shouldn't have to provide a link that explains how a flat tax doesn't benefit the poor financially. And if you need one, then that tells a LOT about your own intellectualism. Many times, you've not provided a link and always with a snippy asswipe response for why you don't and how you don't have to. Now, in fairness, you have provided an occasional link, and mercifully not only to bloggings as proof; but, yes, actual genuine fact reserves.

Tell that to yourself sometime. No need to preach ideology if you don't follow it. Speaking of yourself again?

I don't believe, nor do I want to know everything. However, at this current juncture I have demonstrated that I know more than you and you're trying to portray yourself as being the more intellectual one. I said NEARLY everything. You clearly lack reading comprehension skills.



Ideologies are nothing more than a set or moralistic beliefs that help you form your opinions. Say what? So, ideologies are not to be given even though they are what help form an opinion? Did you even graduate from remedial kindegarten?

Telling people that you believe in "smaller government" does nothing to help us find a solution to ending the wars in the Middle East. Saying that you believe in "lower taxes" doesn't help us solve the nation's Unemployment problem. Bellowing your paranoia about Obama being "more Muslim than a Christian" does NOTHING to help better our relations with our foreign allies and/or adversaries. Beating your chest about "working hard" does nothing to help lessen the burden on people who work twice as hard as you ever will yet still struggle to make ends meet. I don't believe I have ever actually said any of these things.
A person like you doesn't know when to stop making your "I Have A Dream" speech and focus on actually doing something about it. Again with the 'person like you' phrase. Can I use that towards the Dems and libs or maybe the Conservatives? As to the I have a dream speech, I don't have any idea why you've brought that in here, it is not related to what I said (then again you accuse me of bellowing paranoia about Obama being more Muslim than Christian [I gave a link to a site where a person happened to say that, Industrialsize took and captured that quote, then reworded it. I have never made a claim on Obama's religious beliefs, nor did I say I was a firm supporter of what Charlie Daniels had written, I posted a link and asked a question, not at any point have I said that I support the Tea Party. I have cautioned those who say they're a flash in the pan that everything begins somewhere. Today's flash and object of scorn, could become the leader tomorrow (or in 40 years).

Actually, if I told you what I wanted you to do right now I'd probably be banned for it. So, why don't you use your "ideologies" and figure that one out for yourself, OK?

The more you stomp your feet in a hissy fit, the more you prove me right. And to think, you are upset because I told Trinity the truth about how the LPSG politics section runs.

Incidentally, once more, since you seem to suffer from memory loss, I vote according to what a candidate offers and have crossed party lines.

My voting record includes:

John Anderson-Presidential 1980, Walter Mondale-Presidential 1984, Michael Dukakis-Presidential 1988, William Clinton- Presidential 1992, George W. Bush-Presidential 2000 and 2004, Barack Obama-Presidential 2008 (was for Richardson before that, he bowed out early) Obama was not an ideal choice, he did however appear better than McCain.

Louis Wein-Mayoral Primary1977, David Dinkins-Mayoral 1989, Fernando Ferrer-Mayoral Primary, 2001, William Thompson-Mayoral 2009

Mario Cuomo-Gubenatorial, twice, Hugh Carey-once for Governor

State Assembely-Deborah Glick, a few times
State Senator-Thomas Duane a few times, and as a City Councilman before that.
Congressional votes includeTed Weiss, Jerrold Nadler
Senatorial votes include-Alphonse D'Amato, Charles Schumer, Daniel Patrick Moynihan


Along the way, I've voted for Judges, other district reps. and other people in some of the earlier listed slots. I first registed in 1977 as a Conservative, I reregistered in 1980 as a Democrat and have remained a Democrat all the years since. I do however have some values and beliefs which lean towards center and at times towards the right; although never all the way to the right.

So, bark and barf all you want VinylBoy, to quote Industrialsize:



"You think you have me all figured out.......NEWSFLASH.....you don't"

 

[Industrialsize]

Apparentlt you are unable to read either. The more you stomp your feet in a hissy fit, the more you prove me right. And to think, you are upset because I told Trinity the truth about how the LPSG politics section runs.

Incidentally, once more, since you seem to suffer from memory loss, I vote according to what a candidate offers and have crossed party lines.

My voting record includes:

John Anderson-Presidential 1980, Walter Mondale-Presidential 1984, Michael Dukakis-Presidential 1988, William Clinton- Presidential 1992, George W. Bush-Presidential 2000 and 2004, Barack Obama-Presidential 2008 (was for Richardson before that, he bowed out early) Obama was not an ideal choice, he did however appear better than McCain.

Louis Wein-Mayoral Primary1977, David Dinkins-Mayoral 1989, Fernando Ferrer-Mayoral Primary, 2001, William Thompson-Mayoral 2009

Mario Cuomo-Gubenatorial, twice, Hugh Carey-once for Governor

State Assembely-Deborah Glick, a few times
State Senator-Thomas Duane a few times, and as a City Councilman before that.
Congressional votes includeTed Weiss, Jerrold Nadler
Senatorial votes include-Alphonse D'Amato, Charles Schumer, Daniel Patrick Moynihan


Along the way, I've voted for Judges, other district reps. and other people in some of the earlier listed slots. I first registed in 1977 as a Conservative, I reregistered in 1980 as a Democrat and have remained a Democrat all the years since. I do however have some values and beliefs which lean towards center and at times towards the right; although never all the way to the right.

So, bark and barf all you want VinylBoy, to quote Industrialsize:



"You think you have me all figured out.......NEWSFLASH.....you don't"

You quoted me correctly....

 

[HazelGod]

“I've been a little amused over the last couple of days where people have been having these rallies about taxes. You would think they'd be saying thank you."

No. Really. He means it. You may search your pay stub in vain for any sign of tax relief, but don’t worry—it’s there. It’s gotta be, because the president keeps saying it is.

Your reasoning is faulty in the most elementary fashion...tantamount to doubting the presence of oxygen in the atmosphere based on our inability to see it.

The congressional tax relief measures in effect for 2009 reduced the amount of federal payroll tax withholding. I looked it up for myself when my tax preparation software alerted me to this change. Unlike the previous administration that spend enormous amounts of federal money to print and deliver paper checks, this effort eliminated those administrative costs and accomplished the same goal by reducing collections at the source. I know it seems like fancy magic when simple folk can't hold the piece of paper in their hands, but it's actually a much more effective means to achieve this end.

Ignore the tax hike on cigarettes, which targets low-income workers, President Obama signed last year.

Don't forget the new surtax on tanning bed usage. I fully support these measures, as they pull revenue from elective behaviors people engage in despite years' worth of scientific and medical research demonstrating their direct link to incidences of various cancers...which directly impacts the health care industry. It's a perfectly reasonable means to offset some of the costs of a measure aimed at reforming that industry. If you don't want to pay these taxes, then don't smoke and don't fake-bake. You'll probably end up with several more years of your life in which to bitch about a government that behaves as though it knows what isn't good for you.

And ignore the massive tax increase that President Obama and the Democrats will be hitting the top 20 percent of earners (who already pay more then 70 percent of federal income taxes) with starting January 1.

And ignore the massive taxes on your heating bills and energy use in the Obama “cap-and-tax” bill passed by the House last year, and coming to the US Senate later this month.

The above quotes are meaninglessly vague rhetoric. Please cite the specific portions of the pieces of legislation you're referring to.

And definitely ignore the conversation in the Obama administration about a national sales, or VAT, tax in the works.

While this is also meaningless conjecture, seeing as how no bill -- not even in draft form -- has yet been put into consideration containing any such proposal, I personally have mixed feelings about institution of a VAT here in the USA. It's injection into this topic, however, is something of a red herring...with no factual bases to draw from, it's a mere thought experiment at this point, immaterial to the quoted remarks in the OP.

So ignore the $600 billion in tax hikes in ObamaCare. (A partial list is here: Obamacare Taxes: Deep Impact | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News. )

I saved this one for last, as I want to address each of these points individually. As I have a date to get ready for, I'll cover them in a subsequent post. For those interested in cutting through the bullshit, here's what Heritage is calling the "18 Obamacare Taxes."

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Apparentlt you are unable to read either. The more you stomp your feet in a hissy fit, the more you prove me right. And to think, you are upset because I told Trinity the truth about how the LPSG politics section runs.

Who said I was stomping my feet, dearie? Please, a feeble-minded individual such as yourself would have to work a LOT harder than this to make me flustered. Believe me, you'll know when I'm angry. That's something I can convey very easily with words. At the very most, you're about as persistent as a mosquito and just as annoying.

I don't mind anyone having a different ideology as mine. However, when people start talking nonsense about how minorities are going to somehow vote against Obama because of some kind of enticing message brought forth by the Teahadists is just pure bullshit. Period. Like I said before, you don't win over people who are different than yourself by ideologically preaching equality, then run a platform that seeks out to target them unfairly.

So go ahead... tell foreigners that they're all welcome, but then push legislation to force them to speak English as fluently as you'd want them to in order to become a citizen. Then tell them they need to pass a literacy test, or have three generations of their kind in this country before they have the right to vote. Keep telling women that they're all equal, then try to restrict what they do with their bodies while corporations continue to pay them less than men for the same work & labor. Keep telling those people in poverty stricken areas that they have the same opportunities as the people in the suburbs, while their children have to go through metal detectors to get to schools that use textbooks pressed in the 1960s while just over the bridge a different school system provides a safer, more fulfilling educational experience... and watch what happens during the next election. When power doesn't shift, and Teahadists find another political code word for referring to Obama as a n*****, perhaps THEN you'll understand where I'm coming from.

Incidentally, once more, since you seem to suffer from memory loss, I vote according to what a candidate offers and have crossed party lines.

My voting record includes:

John Anderson-Presidential 1980, Walter Mondale-Presidential 1984, Michael Dukakis-Presidential 1988, William Clinton- Presidential 1992, George W. Bush-Presidential 2000 and 2004, Barack Obama-Presidential 2008 (was for Richardson before that, he bowed out early) Obama was not an ideal choice, he did however appear better than McCain.

Louis Wein-Mayoral Primary1977, David Dinkins-Mayoral 1989, Fernando Ferrer-Mayoral Primary, 2001, William Thompson-Mayoral 2009

Mario Cuomo-Gubenatorial, twice, Hugh Carey-once for Governor

State Assembely-Deborah Glick, a few times
State Senator-Thomas Duane a few times, and as a City Councilman before that.
Congressional votes includeTed Weiss, Jerrold Nadler
Senatorial votes include-Alphonse D'Amato, Charles Schumer, Daniel Patrick Moynihan


Along the way, I've voted for Judges, other district reps. and other people in some of the earlier listed slots. I first registed in 1977 as a Conservative, I reregistered in 1980 as a Democrat and have remained a Democrat all the years since. I do however have some values and beliefs which lean towards center and at times towards the right; although never all the way to the right.

Good for you, Mary. Wanna cookie?
I don't vote blindly down party lines as well. I've mentioned many times that I supported Republicans such as William Weld in the past. Just because you voted in 1977 doesn't make you anymore informed on today's issues. Regardless of whatever title you want to adhere to on this board, whether it be Liberal, Conservative, Teahadist, Independent or whatever... you're still an idiot and THAT is my major issue.

So, bark and barf all you want VinylBoy, to quote Industrialsize:

"You think you have me all figured out.......NEWSFLASH.....you don't"

I know enough about you, after the several debates we have had on this board, that you're a cantankerous old man who is very fond of playing the victim when people confront you, who thinks they've seen and experienced it all and thinks something as frivolous as a voting record and past ideologies excuses them for the ignorance they are displaying now regarding people with liberal mindsets on this board. From when you tried to claim that I was a racist for saying "Ali Baba" months ago, to your current fallacies where your twisted ideologies project the possibility of minorities adhering to a political platform that has historically given them the short end of the stick for decades, I don't need to know your life's history to know that you're currently talking out of your ass.

When you're through trying to claim that nobody knows how to read your overly simplistic, political hypotheses, let me know.

 

[midlifebear]

Hey Northland! You forgot to tell us what is your favorite color and if you were a tree what kind of tree you would be (not that anyone here seriously cares).

 

[1kmb1]

“I've been a little amused over the last couple of days where people have been having these rallies about taxes. You would think they'd be saying thank you."

No. Really. He means it. You may search your pay stub in vain for any sign of tax relief, but don’t worry—it’s there. It’s gotta be, because the president keeps saying it is.

So ignore the $600 billion in tax hikes in ObamaCare. (A partial list is here: Obamacare Taxes: Deep Impact | The Foundry: Conservative Policy News. )

Ignore the tax hike on cigarettes, which targets low-income workers, President Obama signed last year.

And ignore the massive tax increase that President Obama and the Democrats will be hitting the top 20 percent of earners (who already pay more then 70 percent of federal income taxes) with starting January 1.

And ignore the massive taxes on your heating bills and energy use in the Obama “cap-and-tax” bill passed by the House last year, and coming to the US Senate later this month.

And definitely ignore the conversation in the Obama administration about a national sales, or VAT, tax in the works.]

Other than that, Mr. President, I have no idea why these Tea Party lunatics are complaining about taxes. They must be nuts!


- The Natural Truth blog


And some on here post threads about LOWER taxes.... What a laugh.

i love how most of those "taxes" are really just closing tax loopholes, and eliminating government handouts.

oh noes theys taxing indoor tanning! if only there was a free way to tan

 

[maxcok]

Hey Northland! You forgot to tell us what is your favorite color and if you were a tree what kind of tree you would be (not that anyone here seriously cares).

I think that was mentioned in one of his several (8) published articles in 'the Atlantic.

By the way, did you know that included in his many literary pursuits is a yet to be published guide to celebrity monster penises?

Who knows, maybe if you play your cards right . . . :smile:

 

[D_Sir Fitzwilly Wankheimer III]

i love how most of those "taxes" are really just closing tax loopholes, and eliminating government handouts.

oh noes theys taxing indoor tanning! if only there was a free way to tan

you won't be laughing long: think about it the most taxed states are in the worst financial shape. liberalisim at it's best.

Taxing the wealthiest :: Lifestyles :: Post-Tribune

 

[bananaclubcock]

you won't be laughing long: think about it the most taxed states are in the worst financial shape. liberalisim at it's best.

Taxing the wealthiest :: Lifestyles :: Post-Tribune

Umm, that 'article' doesn't mention anything about states' finances. The real deal is that the Federal Government, essential via the power of the Senate, transfers a huge amount of money from the productive states, especially the large ones, and gives it to smaller states. This allows smaller states to lower their state taxes, since they get the feds to cover their asses.

These states perpetrating this scam turn out to be 'Red States'...read the link below discussing the Tax Foundation's annual study.Ezra Klein - The red state ripoff