We gave Israel the means and support to commit genocide

[Drifterwood]

You don't normally remove morality from an issue?

Apparently Netanyahu hates Obama.

 

[nolbaby]

War Crimes, from Wikipedia-

War crime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Do any of these cover the 1,800 Palestinian dead who have little or nothing to do with Hamas?

If they allow attacks to be planned, funded, and carried out from their own neighborhoods, and then allow the attackers to hide in their neighborhoods, then they DO have something to do with it. Harboring people who commit crimes and providing them a safe haven from being found is providing them with means to carry out their crimes. There is a quote which has been around for thousands of years which I think applies here:
"Evil prevails when good men do nothing to stop it"

 

[nolbaby]

here's the part that a lot of haters don't think about:

Under rocket fire from Gaza, Israeli humanitarian aid continues

(go here and scroll down to see how much aid Israel regularly provides the people of Gaza. It is the exact opposite of genocide)

 

[Drifterwood]

You won't win any points if you call people like the head of the UN and Amnesty etc, haters.

The Israeli Gov is on record, caught secretly, telling US counterparts that they manage the Gaza economy at just above collapse.

Israel needs to find a new military strategy. The old one of a hundred eyes for an eye is not acceptable to the global community.

 

[pini4404]

Pini, here is a quote for you

"The Israeli military analyst Zeev Schiff summarized General Gur’s comments as follows:

“In South Lebanon we struck the civilian population consciously, because they deserved it … the importance of Gur’s remarks is the admission that the Israeli Army has always struck civilian populations, purposely and consciously … the Army, he said, has never distinguished civilian [from military] targets … [but] purposely attacked civilian targets when Israeli settlements had not been struck.”(2) (emphases added)

This history is particularly important, it gives a clear context to the recent historical findings which echo the exact same sentiments, and thus prove that the strategic military doctrine has not much changed throughout the years, and that these genocidal policies are instead longstanding and rooted in tradition."

My point would be that this policy has run its course in Gaza. It needs to end and it is achieving nothing other than to bring to the World's attention the whole issue of Israeli land grabs over the last two generations and the conditions in which they keep the displaced people. They will continue to fight until the two State solution is put in place, and the world generally dos not blame them.

You know what's absurd? I hear from you, and from another user using only derogatory things about Israel .. never heard a bad word about the terrorist organization whose sole purpose is to destroy Israel, and he keep saying it.
You know what else is absurd? In the Israeli hospital that opened in Erez crossing he has been shot by Hamas and they also prevent their citizens to get to that hospital.You know what else is absurd? If you give me a quote from a soldier who said what he said. So first of all I searched and not found what you posted but it does not matter, what matters is that you know that even if this is true, this is one person's opinion. IDF does not deliberately hurts. I served in the IDF and I tell you that this is the most sacred thing crowed, do not hurt innocent people.

 

[Drifterwood]

This is deflection, Pini, and you seem to have forgotten that I have continually said that there are two sides.

People are making their decisions on what they see happening. One hundred eyes for an eye.

 

[pini4404]

You wont make comparing in War in which side have more dead civilens . Sovereignty of the state is to provide security for its residents to walk freely and safety and Thats somting we dont feel right now. The fact that Hamas cynically uses his oun people life is simply ridiculous and terrible. True indeed dead Palestinian citizens of our shots, but thay killed in Hamas fault, and I will explain: Hamas terrorists firing neer civilians and people residents and when Idf asks citizens to evacuate the building because that They going to expload the building becase hamas fire rockets from thar to israel the Hamas deliberately order the citizens to stay.
And lots of time IDF cancel the exploasion in order not to kill inoccent.

 

[Drifterwood]

And in lots more, they have not.

You are living in a tragedy, Pini. I am genuinely sorry that you have had to live a life like this.

 

[pini4404]

And by the way, I want to know what you would do if someone was standing on the street with a baby in his hands and shoots at you .. and lats say that you have gun also what would you do? You shot him back or let him kill you? I think I know the answer would be.
and that is exactly what happens between hamas and Israel Every Day and Every minute.
When hamas use in the plaesinian civilens in that way israel canot killing only terrorists, Unfortunately.

 

[pini4404]

And in lots more, they have not.

You are living in a tragedy, Pini. I am genuinely sorry that you have had to live a life like this.

Its really important to me just to make the point that Israel are just defending her self...

 

[rbkwp]

absolutely SICK of these Fn arseholes
BS 72 hour ceasefires, pull fn finger with a permanent ceasefire you pricks the lot of yous ..
you dont want peace, its built into your damn lifestyle permanent!!!


BREAKING NEWS Sunday, August 10, 2014 2:36 PM EDT
Israelis and Palestinians Agree to New 72-Hour Cease-Fire

Israeli and Palestinian negotiators on Sunday accepted Egypt’s call for a new 72-hour cease-fire in the Gaza fighting to start at one minute after midnight Monday and for a resumption of Egyptian-mediated negotiations toward a more durable solution for Gaza.
The Israeli government said in a statement that it had accepted the Egyptian cease-fire request. On Sunday evening, Azzam al-Ahmad, the lead Palestinian negotiator in Cairo, said the delegation, which includes Hamas, had notified the Egyptians “that we agreed on the cease-fire based on the Egyptian statement.”
The last cease-fire expired on Friday, and Hamas, the Islamic group that dominates Gaza, fired rockets into Israel, prompting Israel to resume its airstrikes.

 

[vince]

And by the way, I want to know what you would do if someone was standing on the street with a baby in his hands and shoots at you .. and lats say that you have gun also what would you do? You shot him back or let him kill you? I think I know the answer would be.
and that is exactly what happens between hamas and Israel Every Day and Every minute.
When hamas use in the plaesinian civilens in that way israel canot killing only terrorists, Unfortunately.

Get off his street already after 40, 50, 60 years. Maybe he will quit shooting at you.

 

[Boobalaa]

Israel is just defending herself. for the past 67 years Israel has just been defending herself. 3 generations, into the fourth and Israel will just continue to defend herself.
Nobody who lives outside of Israel really does not know what it's like..
Nobody who lives outside of any country really does not know what it's liketo live inside that country, but Israel is unique since she has just been defending herself

 

[h0neymustard]

Lots of terrorist sympathizers on this site.
Hamas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hamas is designated as a terrorist organization by Israel, the United States,[11] the United Kingdom,[12] Canada,[13] the European Union,[14][15] Jordan,[16] Egypt,[17] Australia,[18] and Japan.[19]

 

[Boobalaa]

So if someone questions the only democracy in the Middle East, you label them a Terrorist Sympathizer? What is a democracy then, if you can't ask questions?
Hamas was democratically elected over Fatah because Fatah was corrupt. The USA and Israel like Fatah because they are corrupt.
When Hamas and Fatah decided to form a coalition so Israel would have a partner in peace, Democratic Israel balked and the main benefactor of Israel, The USA balked. Funny how every country on your list is also a beneficiary of the USA, hunh?

 

[pini4404]

Wow .. you're so far from reality the reality that simply you cant see whets real and whets fake .. Hamas is an organization elected democratically? Do you believe to yourself? Citizens of gaza are afraid of Hamas. He was not elected because thet the citizens want him.. He was chosen because the citizens were afraid to choose somone else, just last week he had executed a number of people because they protested against Hamas.
Even the Foreign Press Association issued a letter that they condemn Hamas for not giving them to report the truth.
And FYI ... Israel does not like the FATAH .. the FATAH was a organizing thet murder of Israelis in the time of Yasser Arafat. This organization just realized that when he does acts of terrorism he only causes suffering to both israel and the plaesinian and decided it to stops terrorism and negotiating peaceful way. and its when this organization sole purpose is to destroy the Zionists so yeah I definitely call them terrorist organization. Too bad that you are still so ignorant, if you even listen to what people and my self has to say and not be so ignorent and talking mostly nonsense and lies then you could really understand what's going on in this area and your opinions would change accordingly.

 

[Boobalaa]

As you say, "Too bad that you are still so ignorant, if you even listen to what people and my self has to say and not be so ignorent and talking mostly nonsense and lies then you could really understand what's going on in this area and your opinions would change accordingly."
In other words, if I don't agree with Israel, I must be ignorant. Oh well, shrugging my shoulders, I'm gonna go harvest some stuff out of my garden and share it to my neighbors. Do your bomb shelters have wifi? I know Israel is also the high tech capital of the Middle East so I was curious. Since for the past 14 years on and off, Israel has been defending herself every few years; I was wondering if those bomb shelters have satellite TV and stuff, big screens with sound-around Dolby stereo?
Do you remember when your first gas mask training was?
I remember when I was a kid in the early 60s, we had duck and cover drills under our desks at school. Air raid siren would go off and we'd get under the desks.
When you were a kid did they show you corny cartoons about civil defense? I remember one with the duck singing the duck and cover song.
My grandparents came to America in 1912 to flee the Turks who were taking all the indigenous young men and forcing them to be in the army.
What kind of stories did your grand parents tell you? Where they forced to move from their villages because the invaders took their land?

 

[pini4404]

My grandfather was born in Morocco and in one piriot of time the moroccon civilians start to haunt him because he was a Jew, and that is something you hear a from lots of civilians in Israel , and this is something I see happening even now,Islam begin to take over europe and lots of jews begin to leave europe and return to israel. And no I did not say that anyone who disagrees with Israel is a ignorent , I said that I was telling you things that make sense and everything you say I responded to you sensibly and you do not relate to what I say, you just keep talking things that are not true.
And secondly, it's not on and off the rocket firing on us for 14 years, it is only online.
Finally, its looks like you think its fun to go and run into the shelter .. So let me tell you that really its not. When an alarm is triggered in the middle of the night and you have to run out when you half sleep to the shelter that's not fun. And just for you know, my country has not built the shelter, my family and I have paid to have it. There are plenty of people who have no shelter.
Too bad you do not understand that this war is not related to the Israeli Palestinians conflict .. it is related only to the fact that Hamas have run out of resources and that Hamas had two options. Start a war with us or with Egypt. And of course hamas afraid of Egypt because he knows they will not hesitate to kill a much higher number.
so he started the war with Israel.

 

[Boobalaa]

Oh I read that Jewish citizens from Arab countries are labeled Mizrahi. Is that considered a slanderous term. I read the Ashkenazi are the ruling class in Israel, hence my question about the bomb shelters. I'm sure like anything else, there are different price ranges of bomb shelters. I've read that non-citizens are exempt from the law requiring bomb shelters. Are they forbidden or exempt from having bomb shelters?
One thing about Israel that is fascinating and mind-boggling is the citizenship/nationality conundrum. 21% of the population is Israeli-Arab, yet do not have full citizenship rights. Is it true Jewish people from Africa are exempt from the military? Are you exempt or forbidden to enter the military?
How do the Mizrahi get along with Israeli-Arabs?

 

[thadjock]

israel is like a spoiled child, allowed to get away with everything.