"We the Living" by Ayn Rand

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  1. BF2K

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    Have any of you socialists actually had the pleasure of reading this novel? Socialism is a great idea, except real people with "real ego's" are involved. Site me one Socialist system that has actually worked without stealing from someone!!!
     
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    BTW, I admit her theories are as impossible as true socialism or communism - and she had a bit of a sexual "turn" that is disturbing, especially in "Atlas Shrugged."
     
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    Whoa. Okay. Credit where credit is due -- you clearly admit that hardcore libertarianism is "impossible as true socialism or communism." Now that you've sufficiently tooted your horn in recognition, are you going to shut up about it now?
     
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    * don't feed the troll, don't feed the troll, don't feed the troll *
     
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    Have you actually had the pleasure of reading the novel maxcok? a rather simple question.
     
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    Rand novels are hardly a pleasure. More like a bludgeoning.
     
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    Reality does have a habit of opening wounds!!!
     
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    Too bad reality changes with every person who owns a set of eyes.
    Because let's face it, trying to look at life through someone else's experiences is too painful for most and that's all too apparent in American Politics.

    Refrain from using the word "reality" as if you (or your kind) have a monopoly on it. Only the intellectually weak would try to seize control over something that is so blatantly uncontrollable.
     
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    "Atlas Shrugged" was required reading in my ninth grade English class. I read "We the Living" shortly afterwards. I thought her writing was simplistic, hedonistic bullshit that attempts to "intellectually" justify grabbing all that you can, as fast as you can, and fuck anyone who stands in your way. Completely disconnected from any kind of true reality BF.

    There are much more worthy writers out there. You need to read "One Hundred Years of Solitude".
     
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    Unfortunately, you lost me with your usual flame baiting in your opening sentence.

    I could cite any number of European and South American countries that incorporate a healthy mix of socialism in varying degrees, most notably the usual Scandanavian examples, but really, what's the point?
    ("stealing"?? Give me a fukn break.)

    * don't feed the troll, don't feed the troll, don't feed the troll, don't feed the troll . . . . *

    Skewed reality as you see it, and the highlighted sums up your agenda in a nutshell.
     
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    I wonder if the OP has actually read the book and can share with the "socialists" (without copying/pasting a review from some other online source) what it's all about himself?
     
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    It was aa relatively simple question (except for Vince (who's Canadian roots have absolutely NOTHING to do with the Native population that lived there prior to to invasion of the British) have you actually taken the time to read it?
     
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    No. She's a shitty writer, even if you ignore the BS ideology. Her books will fall into oblivion as soon as those interested in her philosophy find some other fad. . .
     
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    First published in 1936 - hardly a "fad" citr!!!
     
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    I'm sorry. You've confuddled my simple mind again.

    At what point did fiction begin to equal reality? I mean, you do realize that "We the Living" is a work of fiction, right?

    I mean, let's face it, the libertarian experiment has failed even more than the socialist one. At least, with varying degrees of modification, socialism has worked in the US, Canada, the UK, France, Germany, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, South Africa, and Australia (to name only a few) for greater than 7 decades. Libertarianism hasn't even gained foothold in one single country. Talk about reality....
     
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    Yes, because that is so very long in terms of literary history.



    Her novels are pedantic trash, and the admiration for them is a fad because it coincides with the weird strain of John Bircherism going around. They'll be forgotten as soon as it is.

    You didn't start this thread to defend the artistic merit of her books, and don't pretend that you did. You like them because they affirm your goofy view of the world. It makes you feel warm and fuzzy to see your every thought confirmed right there on the page. Spend some time reading some real literature and get back to us. IMO Paradise Lost can make for a decent intro. It's hard not to love Satan!
     
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    You know absolutely NOTHING about my ethnic roots and wtf relevance do they, or Canada, or the invasion of N. America by the British, have to do with the premise of your thread? Does it even have a premise beyond a little "Red-Baiting"? Feeble BF...feeble. Even for you.
     
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    I bet BF2K hasn't even read the book.
    He pulled a very similar stunt in another thread, trying to denounce others by asking them if they ever tried to go into Libya when he, himself, has "travelled all over the place" and doesn't even have the gonads to do it himself. So it wouldn't surprise me in the least that the illiterate is now trying to tell the rest of the world to read. So desperate to have a voice that people value, that he's willing to dwell into the farthest gutters of sheer hypocrisy to get it. So blinded by a two-party, two color reality and so sure that his one party & one color is the only one that's right since that's the only one he knows and doesn't give two shits about the other, or the millions of other parties and colors within.

    And no, BF2K, color was not used in this instance as a metaphor for race. I just thought I'd let you know that before you say something else ridiculous. But I digress, of course... :rolleyes:

    I haven't read "We The Living". Going by the reviews I've seen, I won't even bother to do so either. I get more inspired and learn more from modern poetry than to read the rhetorical trash spun by some outdated author with an agenda and a problem with things being a little different than how they were taught. Holding a pen, writing words and getting them published doesn't make you a great author. You can scribble on a napkin and pass it off to someone sitting next to you. If they can feel it and like it, you've done more to inspire than some of these so-called authors could ever do with their book deals. Some of my "enemies" on this board like to say that I'm the bitter, nasty and evil one because I tend to be sarcastic, condemning and occasionally name call (even though everyone on the internet does these things). BF2K and the rest of that ilk need to really look at their own writings and their own ideologies, and maybe one day they'll see where the real hate is coming from.

    I can only hope this thread gets closed, unless someone with some real insight on the book posts it.
     
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    I read her novels several years ago in an attempt to win scholarship money from the foundation set up in her name. They have an essay-writing thing, and I apparently have no integrity when it comes to wanting scholarships. (Didn't get it.) Getting through Atlas Shrugged was probably the most painful reading experience I've ever had. I can normally become engrossed in even the worst writing, but with that book I mainly felt proud that I had succeeded in giving it that much sustained attention, as if it were an exercise in seeing how long I can hold my breath underwater, if that makes sense. Looking back I'm not sure that it does, but I'm sleep deprived, so, meh.

    The Fountainhead goes down a little smoother. Roark and Francon are utterly inane, but at least their sex scenes were hot. Although I was never quite sure wtf was up with the pseudo-rape. They're like - oh damn!, I raped you, except that I didn't because we're lovers, except that I did because I am the mighty Roark. One of the most bizarre turns of fiction I've ever read. And not the "good" bizarre, where the strangeness is a splendor, but the "what the hell is the author doing?? is she drunk?" bizarre.
     
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