We're off to see the Wizard.......

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  1. jeff black

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    I happened to watch The Wizard of Oz tonight.... it was on TV.

    Why is this movie considered to be such a Gay Icon film? There were no homosexuals running around, half dressed, having sex on screen. No stereotypical behaviours WHATSOEVER...

    Can someone please explain to me?:biggrin1:
     
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    I've never understood it jeff.

    I know the phenomenon exists but I think it has something to do with the theme of the Garland character (and the others) looking for some strength and identity they had within them all the while.

    It's rather trite.

    But as far as "stereotypical gay characters" go I think the tinman was pretty freaking light in the loafers.
     
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    NOO WAY!!!! I was the TIN MAN in public school... That says nothing about me.:rolleyes:

    And what about that Lion... I guess he was kinda gay. Always crying and fainting...:rolleyes:
     
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    It is because Judy Garland was an icon for queens for a long time. The movie itself was about keeping the nation on the gold standard.
     
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    You seem to be confusing the notion of "gay representation in cinema" with that of "films with a gay following". :rolleyes:

    The film can be seen to offer an allegory of the possibility of escaping the restraints of "straight" hegemony and going to live in an uninhibited, diverse and (literally) more (Techni)colorful space. However, much of this interpretation is the product of teleology, with Garland's subsequent gay following causing the projection of gay readings back onto the 1939 movie.

    In the German context, exactly the same phenomenon has been attested with regard to the melodramas of Zarah Leander, whose gay following in the post-War era has done much to color readings of, for example, the lyrics to the musical numbers in her earlier movies, such as "Ich wei&#223;, es wird einmal 'n Wunder gescheh'n" ["I know a miracle will come to pass some day" ... a fairly precise counterpart to Garland's "Somewhere Over the Rainbow"].... even though this song was clearly intended to appeal to left-at-home wives and widows during World War Two when it was first included in the film "Die gro&#223;e Liebe" (The Great Love, 1942).

    The fantasy narrative of The Wizard of Oz is sufficiently non-specific that numerous other meanings can be 'read' from it; for example, it can just as easily be read as a parable for the US having (officially) escaped the Depression to live in a better time and place, but with other obstacles still remaining (indeed, in this interpretation, the final line, "there's no place like home" is something akin to a conservative rallying call to remain happy with one's lowly farm life as the nation presses forward to a supposedly rosier and more financially stable future). As the film's original context has become more remote over the years, though, so the ahistorical "gay" readings have tended to come to the fore.
     
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    Perhaps, I should have just asked you.:rolleyes: :biggrin1:
     
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    Tsk, if we left all our discussions to PMs, then people might think we were having an affair. :rolleyes:

    5000 :wink:
     
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    I noticed, shut up:rolleyes:
     
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    Yah, I suppose the whole Rainbow thing is true, and the more I think about it...there is gay stuff everywhere,

    Three stable hands.
    A rainbow.
    A semi-lesbian older woman, who hates dogs (but I bet she loves cats:rolleyes: ) and has a thing for talking to attractive younger women, calling them "My pretty"
    People with WAY TOO MUCH makeup.
    Flowers and Bright colours everywhere.
    A gay lion
    A drunken/gay scarecrow
    A ubber manly Tinman.
    A giant green tower,

    MAN, when you sit back, you really see it.. I mean they have a three minute segment consisting of everyone getting manicures and pedicures:tongue:

    BTW, I did the "dark side" thing, high on pot. IT really does work. Messes with your mind, man......

    And, everything I have said here, and in the next posts.. is purely a joke based on stereotypes and other fun things. No offense required.
     
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    I love the way that inebriation and homosexuality are interchangeable in that equation, Jeffrey. :rolleyes:
     
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    Awww, Alex. Everyone knows that homos are insuffereable drunks...always teetering around, singing and stuck to posts, waiting for some DORTHY, to let them loose.:rolleyes:
     
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    Off course it's gay...for crying out loud the Wizard himself is hiding behind a curtain.
     
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    Alex8, that is an interesting parallel. Are her movies still shown?
     
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    Oh, yes-siree.. she's one of the few female stars of German cinema of that era whose movies were swift to appear on DVD... and go to almost any German city and you'll find gay venues with names like "La Leander" (in Berlin), "Zarah & Leander" (in Bochum), etc. etc. Not to mention that she continues to be impersonated, 25 years after her death, by more drag acts than you can shake a stick at [http://www.zarah-leander.de/traves.htm].

    She really is the nearest German parallel to Judy Garland, also in that numerous of her celebrated numbers were penned by gay songwriters (such as Bruno Balz); the difference is that those writers and composers were never credited when the songs and movies first came out, as they were classed as 'undesirables' in the Third Reich. However, like most films made during the Third Reich, the majority of Leander's features play in innocuous "Ruritanian" settings that remain outwardly unaffected by the everyday realities of the period (such as Nazi uniforms, people greeting each other with the phrase "Heil Hitler!", etc.)... in a sense, then, every bit as much an alternate fantasy escape - especially during the war years - as Oz was able to represent for audiences in large areas of the US still downtrodden by the long-term effects of the Depression.
     
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    I enjoyed the heck out of "Under the Rainbow" even though Chevy Chase was in it.
     
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    Thanks. What a fascinating parallel! I wonder now if other nations have their own version of JG, etc. I thought it was so distinctly American, but now that I think of it, Isherwood's chronicling of life in pre-WW2 Germany should have alerted me to the similarities in some of our subcultures. Blame it on the heat and that my AC is out.
     
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