Western male masculinity

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I find increasingly that both men and women are actively seeking out the male partners from non westernised societies regardless of skin colour citing the main reasons as finding them more attractive primarily because they have not been emasculated.

Regardless of the fact that women from these cultures are closer to masculine compared to Western women.
 
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I find increasingly that both men and women are actively seeking out the male partners from non westernised societies regardless of skin colour citing the main reasons as finding them more attractive primarily because they have not been emasculated.
Yes , that is true.
Women from west love REAL men , and they love men from Balkan .
I hear a lot of stories about that .:)))
 

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\ It’s shocking that we never ratified the ERA back in the 70’s. Women still don’t earn the same as men for equal work.

While i agree with most of your post... this "fact" is simply bullshit.
It is a feminist slanted piece of propaganda that fails to analyze real earnings versus time worked. And totally disregards the true picture of actual spending power.

The fact is that income is a function of investment and return.

Personnel managers are faced with the statistics concerning employment that clearly show that women are not often as good a risk for a position as men, and therefore are worth less in absolute dollars.

The reason for this is that women are split... for every woman who really is a career focused go getter with long term ambitions, there is a woman who will claim to be so, but will, in fact, significantly interrupt her working career to have babies, or ultimately quit to become a stay at home mom, or, ultimately, turn down advancement her career has prepared her for because they make demands that she feels will impair her family life.

And employers have no way of telling the career focused women from those who start out career focused, but who will become more family focused over the next few years.

So the women who really are career focused are undermined in their labor value by women who decide to put other considerations first.

But this is a real effect that accountants can quantify and is why women earn less on average. Its not how qualified you are NOW.... its about your long term prospects for a company that is investing in building your proficiency and experience, only to find you taking maternity, leave, and 25% of the time, never even coming back.

Whereas men, who do not really have the stay at home option ( women do not find it attractive... ) generally keep at a career until they die, or retire.


Beyond this, there is other real inequity in costs both genders incur. Women STILL get out of tickets more often than men, pay for diners out and entertainment less often than men, and derive the benefit of survival inheritance more often than men.


In particular... women in relationships with men in the US generally control the majority of the spending ( why advertising is aimed at women )
They may earn .73 cents to a man's dollar... but they pretty much have the checkbook to the whole $1.73.

Women control much of the actual spending activity in the US.

In short, despite the gains in more equal treatment, the culture still cuts very largely to the benefit of women.


ANd women who do pursue the big masculine style career, are beginning to suffer the "benefits" than men have for so long enjoyed as all their own... stress related illness and shorter lifespans.


As to emasculation.... the culture has become SO feminized and everything male become SO derided, that it is very difficult to even find a positive representation of masculinity in the culture...

On TV the women are all take charge and competent, and the men are all hopeless doofi, or criminals and autocrats suffering from personality disorders.

The proliferation of political correctness... which is a feminist agenda of 'talking nice', the imposition of unworkable and shifting "harassment" politics and 'sensitivity' ( suggestive talk from an executive women tend to see as 'banter' and the same talk from some flunkie is seen as harassment ) has created a climate in which male perspectives are discounted...

However... when it comes to relationship, women STILL prefer a masculine man, who provides, even tho there is no acceptable arena for them to demonstrate those qualities.

Women, however, have become, in general, very difficult... with a lot of demands on men, no real acceptance of their ideas... men, in their own homes, often are given the impression that they can not say anything and be right, can not do anything correctly, and can not be trusted nor counted on for anything.


And all this leaves men not knowing what is expected of them... and with the feeling that their perspectives and experience is not valued, and worthless.


It is a normal reaction, when trying to change the status quo, to demonize the powers that be... but the feminist movement went way too far, and has persisted in presenting themselves, not as equals, but as fundementally better than men in every regard.

And when you raise boys with this undercurrent of low expectation, and assumption of their being doofus fuckarounds...
well... what you end up with is that, if they are going to be convicted, no matter what they do... they might as well be guilty.

My friend's wife from Germany summed it up best when, having lived in the US for 8 years, she observed that... "American men treat their women like gold, and American women treat their men like shit".


Its sad... but most relationships that I know that are in trouble, are in trouble because the woman can not muster any respect for her own man.

( only a few are because the guy is a stellar fuckup- which again, is a function of a society that can no longer state clearly what a man is expected to be)


On the plus side... I have been meeting more young women, lately, that seem to have a post feminist sense that women are just as likely to be the problem as men are... who actually can admit when they are wrong, and that a man can sometimes be right...

So, maybe, in ten or fifteen years, these young women will raise a crop of daughters and sons who have a truly more balanced view of gender.

neither the "all men are cheaters and idiots" perspective of the 80s and 90s
Nor the 'All women are idiots and ornaments" perspective of the 50s and 60s.


But I can say, that raising boys to become decent men in the last 30 years was a supreme challenge.
 

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Testosterone levels of men in the west are dropping, rapidly.

Sperm counts are dropping too - one study I read said that levels today are at 50% of what they were two generations ago. One of the main causes of this is beleived to be pollution.

Men are literally becoming less masculine, and people should be more concerned about this.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/s...vels-of-sperm-in-men-are-falling-1954149.html
 
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If I had a dollar for every broad, sweeping generalization in the posts in this thread I could go out and buy myself a pretty new dress.
 

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While i agree with most of your post... this "fact" is simply bullshit.

So, maybe, in ten or fifteen years, these young women will raise a crop of daughters and sons who have a truly more balanced view of gender.

But I can say, that raising boys to become decent men in the last 30 years was a supreme challenge.

How about those young women who are raising their boys? what sort of role models do they have and is that why so many of them are growing up with an unbalanced view of gender. DISTURBINGLY by young people its considered great if as a female you are masculine including the use of violence and sex

Disturbingly the use of chemicals and the way the young men are constantly down trodden creates a natural phenomena of lowered testosterone. Regardless of that men on the other hand appear to be emasculated yet vilified when they take on the more feminine characteristics.

Gradually there is gonna be more and more seriously fucked up kids growing up I tell you
 

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this thread smells so insecure.
poor, poor little pups.

Yup.

"Look at how much we change, yet we always stay the same"

This "debate" about masculinity has been raging since the Romans. Really. The only thing that makes men more masculine than women is the penis. Everything else we sort into the "masculine" category is purely subjective, and completely arbitrary.

And really, Phil, for all your railing against the emasculating qualities of the feminist movement - why do you lay the responsibility of telling men who their supposed to be at the foot of women? If men are SUPPOSED to be leading things, why do they need reassurance from women? Your argument makes no sense.
 

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Really. The only thing that makes men more masculine than women is the penis. Everything else we sort into the "masculine" category is purely subjective, and completely arbitrary.

So testicles, testosterone, increased muscle mass, larger size, and bigger brains (10% larger on average) account for nothing?

And really, Phil, for all your railing against the emasculating qualities of the feminist movement - why do you lay the responsibility of telling men who their supposed to be at the foot of women? If men are SUPPOSED to be leading things, why do they need reassurance from women? Your argument makes no sense.

His argument was entirely sound. You've just created a straw man argument, by stating that men are "SUPPOSED" to be in charge of things, and therefore need no reassurance from women. This makes no sense at all in itself, but more importantly it's not what Phil said.

Many aspects of society, including the media, and education in particular, have become very female focussed in the west, as a direct result of the feminist movement. In the UK the school system has been altered so much in favour of female learning characteristics (coursework instead of exams for example) that females now routinely outperform males, achieving the highest grades. As well as this, the vast majority of school teachers are female, so schools now rarely provide good male role models. Females are more likely than males to go on to university (70% female) and are quicker to get work after graduating, and young women now earn more than young men.

Couple this with the routine derision males recieve in the main stream media, and a picture begins to form in which modern young males are being shown an image of themselves as unwanted, useless, stupid, and potentially dangerous 'problem' in society.

Increasing numbers of men are becoming aware of this misandry which has taken strong hold in western culture, however feminists always argue that it is not happening, and I've observed that many gay men seem to be in denial about it too. It really seems to me that a portion of gay men identify more with women than with straight men, so see attacks on masculinity, and the derision of male traits, as a 'good' thing; it's as if the feminist mentality which encourages women to see themselves as self-righteous victims (and therefore incapable of any wrong doing) has similarly inspired gay men to perceive themselves this way. That's certainly been my experience whilst discussing these issues so far - the gays always back up the feminists.
 
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Words.

Words words words words words. Blah. Blah de blah blah blah. Blah blah blah. Masculine. Blah de blah blah blah. Those people these days. Words words words. Feminists. Words words words.

Those feminists these days. Words words words. Androgeny. Blah blah de fucking blah. Words words words. Western men. Blah blah blah.

Women prefer. Blah blah blah blah. Words words words. Words.

Sweeping generalization pretending my own prejudices are some sort of universal truth. Words. Words words words.
 
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Me Man...Me No Like To Be Woman...Me Just Like To Fuck Woman...I Fuck Woman...Then I Force Her To Make My Dinner...

You see, this is a great example of how it has become fashionable to portray masculinity as negative and undesirable quality.

For many people today, masculinity has become synonymous with idiocy and brutality - as Hung Jon demonstrates in his post. However, this is not really an accurate representation of how men behave, so why such a knee jerk reaction?

Nobody has anything positive to say about men anymore, wheras to criticise women is seen as some kind of heinous crime. Why is it so taboo to state the positive qualities of men?

The answer, is that feminism has made it this way - because of feminst hegemony in the main stream media, politics and elsewhere, to speak positively about men is dubbed "male chauvinism" and viewed as a kind of bigotry. Speaking positively about women, however, is considered totally acceptable; of course, this is a blatant double standard.

It is masculine drives that make men adventurers, explorers, innovators, and inventors. Masculinity - not femininity - has pushed humanity forward out of the stone ages.

Ironically, it is the achievements of men - in creating a civilisation where we enjoy such ease and comfort - that has allowed women to prosper at all. Feminism owes its existence to the hard work and diligence of generation upon generation of industrious men, yet shows absolutely no recognition or gratitude for this, instead preferring to demonise and berate masculinity as an undesirable trait, stating, for exmaple, that men suffer from "testosterone poisoning".

Modern men are taught to belittle themselves, and see the worst in masculinity - as Hung Jon has shown above - whilst modern women are encouraged to see on the best in themselves, and taught to trample all over men. As the radical feminist Valerie Solanas put it, her kind of women are to be "dominant, secure, self-confident, nasty, violent, selfish, independent, proud, thrill-seeking, free-wheeling, arrogant females, who consider themselves fit to rule the universe".
 
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Words.

Words words words words words. Blah. Blah de blah blah blah. Blah blah blah. Masculine. Blah de blah blah blah. Those people these days. Words words words. Feminists. Words words words.

Those feminists these days. Words words words. Androgeny. Blah blah de fucking blah. Words words words. Western men. Blah blah blah.

Women prefer. Blah blah blah blah. Words words words. Words.

Sweeping generalization pretending my own prejudices are some sort of universal truth. Words. Words words words.
Wow... What an insightful commentary...
To sweepingly generalize every thoughtful and reasoned response into the repetition of the sweepingly general word "words".

I suppose if you dont actually have anything to contribute, you can generalize about the fact that every perspective is a generalization...
But then, that would apply even moreso to the vacuity that constitutes your post, eh?