What about all of the good things Hitler did?

[B_Monster]

Who cares, hes dead and thats a good thing for everyone

 

[chico8]

What made a civilised nation embrace this insanity? You're right, JJ, it was fear. But not fear of the Nazis. It was fear of the unseen, the secret Jewish conspiracy, the Communist conspiracy, the loose-living liberals, bohemians and homosexuals. Fear of the human diversity that was unleashed with the removal of the Kaiser after WWI.

The Bolshevik Revolution meant that hundreds of thousands of jews were kicked out of Russia. Many were impoverished and many of them were drawn to communist propaganda. Many of them ended up in Germany.

It's no secret that the businessmen of western Europe feared the communist invasion more than a militarized Germany.

While many of those fears were of the unseen, many were of the highly visible as well. In fact, the US' immigration policies were sharply against anyone who wasn't white, christian or northern European. There was a high degree of anti jewish, anti catholic and anti orthodox feeling in the US in the 1920s. American paranoia actually got its start in the year after WWI. Russian and Jewish communists were at the top of the list of those to be feared.

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

Now, for the people who are still alive who participated in Nazi Germany, I have no sympathy at all.

I understand that, simcha ... but I don't quite agree.
I think it would have been very difficult ... even fatal ... not to have been swept up in the extremism and hysteria.
Now, we can reserve some real admiration for those who, within Nazi Germany, did actively oppose the regime ... but those are the saints among them, and there are always few of those.
At our remove, it's easy for any of us to think we would stand among the righteous, but we can't really know.

How else could just a few brutal thugs have convinced some 80 million Germans to follow them?

Not to be pedantic, SpeedoGuy, but there were roughly 15 million fewer Germans at that time, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[SpeedoGuy]

Not to be pedantic, SpeedoGuy, but there were roughly 15 million fewer Germans at that time, if I'm not mistaken.

I believe the 80 million figure came after the Anschluss of Austria and other territorial gains.

 

[DC_DEEP]

Hitler married Eva Braun in the last days of the war.

More correctly, he married her in the last few hours of his life. Yeah, great family values.

Lebensborn system wasn't even widepsread enough to even be counted as a direct arguement.

You are kidding, right? Tell me you are kidding. If they had taken only one "racially pure" young woman and "bred" her with SS officers, that would be bad enough. If they had kidnapped only one Polish child, that would be bad enough. If they had bribed only one Norwegian woman to let SS officers fuck her (in exchange for a morsel of food for her family) that would be bad enough.

Estimates were that somewhere between 250,000 and 300,000 Polish children were kidnapped and "Germanized." Norway had it's own Lebesborn hospital/breeding barn. The system didn't take off as well in Germany itself as it did elsewhere, but for you to dismiss it as "not widespread enough even to be counted" is sick.

Again, fabulous conservative family values. I'm glad you support those kinds of programs.

 

[frizzle]

More correctly, he married her in the last few hours of his life. Yeah, great family values.

As we all know, Hitler was very uninterested in relationships, sex and all the other joys many people partake in. He was more interested in power and politics.
You are kidding, right? Tell me you are kidding. If they had taken only one "racially pure" young woman and "bred" her with SS officers, that would be bad enough. If they had kidnapped only one Polish child, that would be bad enough. If they had bribed only one Norwegian woman to let SS officers fuck her (in exchange for a morsel of food for her family) that would be bad enough.

Estimates were that somewhere between 250,000 and 300,000 Polish children were kidnapped and "Germanized." Norway had it's own Lebesborn hospital/breeding barn. The system didn't take off as well in Germany itself as it did elsewhere, but for you to dismiss it as "not widespread enough even to be counted" is sick.

I've seen reports of it being estimated at 8,000, and those aren't widespread enough to be counted. One death is a tragedy, a million is a statstic.

Again, fabulous conservative family values. I'm glad you support those kinds of programs.

Cheers for refering me to a nazi, it makes me feel all warm inside.

 

[classyron]

Hi Jack!

Jeez, the thread was about what was accomplished irrespective of the holocaust/anti-humanist activities.

Good to see LPSG is right on pace with the rest of the internet for reading comprehension. Most of what I was curious about was answered in the first couple of pages by a few intelliegent/literate people. A further, and equally interesting discussion started regarding whether or not a leader can be that powerful and effective in unification without extremism, but again, people have to keep focusing on the tragedies and psychosis. Thanks for keeping Nazism alive by constantly focusing on it. Whoever made the point about Americans versus Germans and getting over it was right on the money.

Thanks to everyone who had intelligent and poinant things to say, and thanks for answering my questions. This thread has a mind of its own now, and I am done with it.

 

[Drifterwood]

This thread has a mind of its own now, and I am done with it.

Are these two things connected? Only joking.

Europeans and Jewish people are going to react to this more strongly than Americans. We felt its effects far more than you.

What good things did the Japanese do in the Pacific and South East Asia? Mmmhh ?

There is a very interesting lesson from Hitler's Germany - it's about what a people do when they think they are No. 1 and don't get the recognition they feel they deserve.

 

[Ethyl]

Hi Jack!

Jeez, the thread was about what was accomplished irrespective of the holocaust/anti-humanist activities.

That question was answered by many posters who threw their two cents in when you asked for it.

Good to see LPSG is right on pace with the rest of the internet for reading comprehension. Most of what I was curious about was answered in the first couple of pages by a few intelliegent/literate people. A further, and equally interesting discussion started regarding whether or not a leader can be that powerful and effective in unification without extremism, but again, people have to keep focusing on the tragedies and psychosis. Thanks for keeping Nazism alive by constantly focusing on it. Whoever made the point about Americans versus Germans and getting over it was right on the money.

You don't have the luxury of dictating (no pun intented) where a thread goes once you start it. It's unrealistic and naive to think you can start a discussion on the effects of fascism - whether positive or negative - and not expect the atrocities of humanity that occurred not to creep into the conversation.

Thanks to everyone who had intelligent and poinant things to say, and thanks for answering my questions. This thread has a mind of its own now, and I am done with it.

Thanks for the condescending attitude.

 

[B_NineInchCock_160IQ]

There is a very interesting lesson from Hitler's Germany - it's about what a people do when they think they are No. 1 and don't get the recognition they feel they deserve.

That's pretty much every country in the world. Or at least Europe and Asia.

 

[Drifterwood]

That's pretty much every country in the world. Or at least Europe and Asia.

Add myopia.

There is nothing worth the destruction of humanity.

 

[southwest]

Was hitler a good leader??? Well if what you mean by good leadership is 'Germany was in a better state after he run the country for a few years'? I don't think so... true the country was on the verge of economic collapse when he came into power but by the end of his reign the country was ravaged by war, suffering for the German people was at an all time high, the country after the war had no economy and every one hated Germans by the end of the war . So what did he achieve mmm let me think.... nothing positive and people still think he was a gifted leader. The only good thing hitler did was shoot himself in the head, because that saved the expense of an execution.He was a stupid fucker with too much power. Let us hope such circumstances never happen again.

 

[B_Swimming Lad]

The Bolshevik Revolution meant that hundreds of thousands of jews were kicked out of Russia. Many of them ended up in Germany.

Thousands of Jews were already leaving Russia before the revolution, it was not a turning point when they were told to leave. They either fled or were killed.

 

[B_All4show]

I think some here are taking these comments out of their proper context.
I'm not condoning Hitler in any way. What he did was atrocious. We all know that. I'm just saying he solidified the German people (for a while), and that allowed them to be at their best while all working together for a common goal. They were temporarily freed from the normal competition of the capitalist world. The same happened in communist Russia. No, wealth wasn't evenly distributed in the former USSR as Marxism originally intended.

I always think of the story I heard how the communists used the film, Grapes of Wrather to demostrate how bad America was. It back fired because these poor destitue people had a truck. Only the rich had vehicles there.

Communism failed mostly for that reason. The core group of the politburo sat back in lap of luxury and didn't touch any of the burdens with so much as their little finger. Once the people learned they couldn't better themselves no matter what, they stopped working. The USSR became a "welfare state", and collapsed. The pitfalls of socialism are obvious.

Heavy taxation and welfare causes the same thing here in America.

The pitfall of capitalism is that everyone is working against each other for their own good. That will get worse and worse as greed takes over more and more. A few people have most of the money now, when they get all of it there will be very little for the common people.

Hey, I got the last flat screen TV the other day. Sorry, none left. You will have to wait in line to get one. I question your understanding of the capitalist system. This is a defeatist way of thinking.

BTW, we have more new rich than ever before.

Possibly some leader will take Russia back into communism in the future.

Putin?

Maybe a big shakeup in China. Who knows? I do think it's possible. It may happen (for a while) when we get the "one world government" after the collapse of the current capitalist socio economic system...

Are you longing for this?

 

[B_All4show]

The good works ascribed to him were due to the energies of the German people, who have shown for the last 600 or so years what genius they bring to Western Civilization.

I have no real documentation of this, but I heard it said by Thomas Sowell that besides Japan, the generals from all countries that participated in WWII were of German descent. Very interesting.

 

[aschlong]

Can we end this drivel. No amount of gesticulating and covering figures will ever condone any of the things that this man did. The fact that we are now discussing him is sort of condoning everything he did. Is the guy who posed this question particularly stupid. Probably, and straight!

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

I have no real documentation of this, but I heard it said by Thomas Sowell that besides Japan, the generals from all countries that participated in WWII were of German descent. Very interesting.

I doubt that very much, All4show.
You mean all the American generals, the British generals, French, Belgian, Canadian ... were all of German descent?

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

Can we end this drivel. No amount of gesticulating and covering figures will ever condone any of the things that this man did. The fact that we are now discussing him is sort of condoning everything he did. Is the guy who posed this question particularly stupid. Probably, and straight!

There's no implication that we are condoning "everything (Hitler) did."
Why would you think so, aschlong?
Why would you think the OP is stupid?
And what does his orientation, whatever it is, have to do with his intelligence or the worth of the topic?
You've got me puzzled, aschlong.

 

[viking1]

Heavy taxation and welfare causes the same thing here in America.

I agree 100%! I'm all in favor of a small government that keeps it nose, and hands, out of my business...

Hey, I got the last flat screen TV the other day. Sorry, none left. You will have to wait in line to get one. I question your understanding of the capitalist system. This is a defeatist way of thinking.
BTW, we have more new rich than ever before.

This isn't communist Russia. Lack of hardware isn't the problem. It's lack of money to buy this hardware. I could buy the same TV, IF I could afford it.

Capitalism is similar to most other forms of government. At least in the end result. The rich get richer and more powerful, and poor get poor and less powerful as time progresses.

Defeatist is fine as a label. I'm already defeated, and I admit it. I will not do what it takes to enter the rich mans world of big business. I won't walk over top of others, lie, cheat, and steal, etc. If I could do that tomorrow at the drop of a hat, I would not.

Putin?

Possibly. He is a hard line communist...

Are you longing for this?

Nope. I sure hope I'm dead before this happens. It is going to happen.
It's not a matter of IF, but of WHEN.

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

Putin is a hard line communist...

Do you really think he wants to end capitalism in Russia?
Surely you mean he's an authoritarian.