What about all of the good things Hitler did?

[B_Swimming Lad]

Do you really think he wants to end capitalism in Russia?
Surely you mean he's an authoritarian.

No. I'm afraid to say he's right. Putin is as much a communist as Lennin.

 

[viking1]

Do you really think he wants to end capitalism in Russia?
Surely you mean he's an authoritarian.

He is authoritarian. I also think he would take Russia back to communism if he could. Just my opinion...

 

[Pirate Wench]

The autobahn and Volkswagon weren't bad things.......but he was such a sick FUCK, that all the bad so heavily outweighed the good......
It's kind of a moot point.

When the fucker croaked, I hope God appeared to him in the image of a black Rabbi......no words would even be neccessary.

 

[Pirate Wench]

Autobahn and Volkswagon were not bad things, but the bad things so heavily outweight the good, it's kind of a moot point.

When the fucker died I hope God appeared to him in the image of a black Rabbi......no words would be necessary.....

 

[Guy-jin]

I figured people could likely separate the good from the bad, and save the generalizations.

You gave people far more credit than they deserve.

 

[SpeedoGuy]

Heavy taxation and welfare causes the same thing here in America.

BTW, we have more new rich than ever before.

all4, I'm puzzled by these.

How can heavy taxation and welfare be sinking America's economy and competetiveness while at the same time America is producing more rich than ever before?

 

[classyron]

That question was answered by many posters who threw their two cents in when you asked for it.
You don't have the luxury of dictating (no pun intented) where a thread goes once you start it. It's unrealistic and naive to think you can start a discussion on the effects of fascism - whether positive or negative - and not expect the atrocities of humanity that occurred not to creep into the conversation.
Thanks for the condescending attitude.

Wow, you really, really like yourself... don't you? I was being neither unrealistic nor naive in hoping people could read an initial post and answer it, and for me it was answered and then steamrolled into something in which I was no longer interested. Are we taking our threads cradle to grave now? No

I was not being condescending, I am genuinely thankful for the real answers I was given. Some of the members here are very intelligent and worldly, which is why I asked the initial question, and further questions. As I said, however, this steamrolled into something I was no longer interested in reading. As I said to Pecker in a PM at the start of the thread, "It is like walking into a room and asking a specific question, the first people to reply are always the ones saying, 'I don't know.'"

If you wish to make anymore personal attacks on me, or replies, please do it via PM. I made this response public because of your obvious public attack on me, and not my thread. If you want to use me as a soapbox upon which you show everyone how "SMRT" you think you are, fill your boots.

 

[tiff86]

I figured people could likely separate the good from the bad, and save the generalizations.

Why? I dunno what the point of this whole thread is. I don't care if Hitler did anything good. It's a really weird thing to be so excited about.

 

[Ethyl]

I was being neither unrealistic nor naive in hoping people could read an initial post and answer it, and for me it was answered and then steamrolled into something in which I was no longer interested. Are we taking our threads cradle to grave now? No

My point was that it's common for threads on this forum to begin with one subject and branch into others. Happens all the time, particularly with sensitive subjects, and this was no different.

I was not being condescending, I am genuinely thankful for the real answers I was given. Some of the members here are very intelligent and worldly, which is why I asked the initial question, and further questions. As I said, however, this steamrolled into something I was no longer interested in reading. As I said to Pecker in a PM at the start of the thread, "It is like walking into a room and asking a specific question, the first people to reply are always the ones saying, 'I don't know.'"

If that was not your intention, then my apologies for reading too much into your post.

If you wish to make anymore personal attacks on me, or replies, please do it via PM. I made this response public because of your obvious public attack on me, and not my thread. If you want to use me as a soapbox upon which you show everyone how "SMRT" you think you are, fill your boots.

Everything I said pertained to the subject at hand and had nothing to do with you personally. Please feel free to point out where I publicly attacked you because i'm unaware I did so.

Wow, you really, really like yourself... don't you?

Now who's getting personal?

 

[Guy-jin]

Why? I dunno what the point of this whole thread is. I don't care if Hitler did anything good. It's a really weird thing to be so excited about.

One good reason to learn about the things Hitler and the Nazi party did before committing genocide and waging war against the rest of the world is to be able to recognize it in the future, and hopefully prevent it from happening again. I don't know if that's what the OP was trying to understand (it doesn't seem like it), but that is a very important reason to learn about the things they did that allowed them the power to commit those atrocities.

 

[Pirate Wench]

Shit....sorry about the double post earlier....I was having satellite internet problems and pages were loading slower than dialup....
When it's cloudy....it's off and on.....really irritating.

 

[DC_DEEP]

Do you really think he wants to end capitalism in Russia?
Surely you mean he's an authoritarian.

It's funny how often that mistake is made. Because so many authoritarians/totalitarians/dictators call themselves "communist," people come to believe it. The irony is that the system in communist China or the former Soviet Union is the exact antithesis of communism.

 

[MASSIVEPKGO_CHUCK]

What good did Hitler do? He died after killing a million jews in death camps like Auschwitz-period.
Now to the point of his rise in Germany, Adolph Hitler never usurped the presidency, he slowly worked his way in sneaky like.

Why in the world we waste bandwidth on a now dead, miserable, absolutely most hated person in the whole fucking world escapes reason for me.

Give it up- the man had nothing redeemable to give and everybody here knows it. This whole thread should've been stopped before it was started.

 

[joejack]

The Bolshevik Revolution meant that hundreds of thousands of jews were kicked out of Russia. Many were impoverished and many of them were drawn to communist propaganda. Many of them ended up in Germany.

This is BS.:bsflag:

 

[chico8]

This is BS.

Let me rephrase this.

Between 1880 and 1920, more than two million jews fled Russia.

Even more pogroms accompanied the Russian Revolution of 1917 and the ensuing Russian Civil War, when an estimated 70,000 to 250,000 civilian Jews were killed in atrocities throughout the former Russian Empire; the number of Jewish orphans exceeded 300,000.

A notable number of Bolshevik party members were ethnically Jewish, especially in the leadership of the party, and the percentage of Jewish party members among the rival Mensheviks was even higher. The idea of overthrowing the Tsarist regime was attractive to many members of the Jewish intelligentsia because of the oppression of non-Russian nations and non-Orthodox Christians within the Russian Empire.

Both quotes are from wikipedia.


There's no doubt that jews were brutalized in Russia, but many of those in charge of the revolution were jewish themselves.

The link between jews and communism was quite strong. A kibbutz in Israel was just as communist as a collective farm in the USSR.

Many jews of this time saw communism as a societal equalizer. While it meant turning their back on their religion, it also meant freedom from ethnic repression.

For many, the oppression in Poland and Russia meant they had to flee west. Turn of the century Berlin was filled with impoverished peasants from Russia, Poland, Lithuania, The Ukraine and other eastern European countries. Many of them were jewish.

 

[B_Swimming Lad]

Much better. :smile:

 

[headbang8]

Hitler became Chancellor with support of conservative parties. He later turned on them and even members of his own party were purged. You cannot deny that once he had the police apparatus under his control it was literally suicide to oppose him. The NSDAP was never in the majority.

True, joejack, the Nazis were never in the majority. That's not uncommon with European parliaments that run on proportional representation. But it was fair to say that the Nazis and the other conservative forces who were prepared to look the other way and get in bed with them for their own political gain were in the majority. Even tyrants need a power base.

 

[headbang8]

From The Times October 19, 2007.

One in four Germans believes that the Nazis had their good side, according to an extraordinary opinion survey published in Berlin yesterday.
The findings are the result of a gradual loosening of taboos about discussing the Third Reich after 60 years of tight-lipped political caution.

...The survey, conducted by the Forsa Institute ...asked whether National Socialism had its good sides, citing not only the autobahns, but also the lower crime rates, the creation of full employment and the supposed respect for family values. On average 25 per cent of the sample agreed that there had been a sunny side to the Nazis. Some 37 per cent of the over-60s supported the idea...

Recent German-made films have attracted mass audiences by depicting Hitler as sad and mad as well as bad, or even as an impotent comic figure playing with toy battleships in his bath. Bestselling authors, meanwhile, have been praising Nazi achievements and harking back to the good, or at least not so bad, old days.

The latest clash of cultures — between a taboo-breaker and a guardian of the politically correct — came in a prime-time television chat show. Germany’s former leading television anchorwoman, Eva Herman, was expelled from the studio by the popular host Johannes Kerner after praising the motorway construction of the Hitler era.

Her bestselling books plead for a return to old-fashioned family values. In presenting her latest book, which accuses feminists of humiliating stay-at-home mothers and castrating men, she described the Hitler regime as a “time of cruelty”. She added: “There were things that were good too — the values, the children, the mothers, the families, the sense of solidarity.”

Read more here

 

[joyboytoy79]

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Capitalism is similar to most other forms of government. At least in the end result. ...

Nit-picking time!!! Capitalism isn't a form of government, it's an economic structure. Governments, by their very nature, impose certain amounts of socialist economic policies on even the most capitalistic of societies. The levying of taxes, for example, is very anti-capitalist, no mater what the tax money is ultimately spent on.

 

[B_NineInchCock_160IQ]

It's funny how often that mistake is made. Because so many authoritarians/totalitarians/dictators call themselves "communist," people come to believe it. The irony is that the system in communist China or the former Soviet Union is the exact antithesis of communism.

Communism has been so inextricably linked to the political histories of Russia and China and Vietnam now I don't think it's useful to use the term in a purely theoretical sense. Communism as it has manifested in the real world is the communism of communist Russia and communist China. This is the common usage of the word today, not just by the dictators who refer to themselves this way but everyone else who refers to them, too. Rather than saying that these places are the antithesis of themselves, I think it would be both more accurate and make more sense to say that China and Russia represent the antithesis of Marxism, which was always theory and never political reality.