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Did you buy ur fricken car yet cuz this thread is out of control!
Can't be a BMW then...:biggrin1:
Did you buy ur fricken car yet cuz this thread is out of control!
I just bought a used Infiniti - still under factory warranty - at half the price of new.
It looks like new and I think a much better value than new. That' my advice don't buy a new car. Get a good used one.
I don't drive my hybrid in the mountains, but most people with 4WD and other gas consuming options never do either. I've driven over 100,000 miles in mine and have had NO problems with the battery or anything mechanical... really no problems to speak of, period.Electric cars nor hybrids are worth a crap out here in the boonies.
Hilly, mountainous, rural areas don't mix with these type vehicles.
The hybrids also cost too much and have too many unkowns about battery life and resale value. When they get a viable, resonably priced environmentally friendly car then I will consider one...provided it's big enough for me to fit in comfortably.
BMW Z4 ....handles superbly!
Precisely the mentality that promotes SOME of the problems we have. "Hey, it's just me and one little car. How much damage can THAT do?" [Multiply that times however many million car owners are driving gas guzzlers.]I want a sexy yet responsible car, but it's not happening the way I wanted, so I went ahead and indulged in a BMW Z4 anyway. The mileage sucks. But it looks great, handles superbly. Probably should have looked into a hybrid, but...nah!
I don't drive my hybrid in the mountains, but most people with 4WD and other gas consuming options never do either. I've driven over 100,000 miles in mine and have had NO problems with the battery or anything mechanical... really no problems to speak of, period.
Obviously, people who haul things and live in mountainous areas, can't use most of the hybrids currently available. However, most of us live where we can make some better choices regarding transportation, and the problems we face nationally and internationally really CAN start with our own willingness to make smart choices.
Believe me, I drool over gas guzzling "muscle" cars just as much as the next guy, but (witness the Tesla mentioned previously) more can be done to make the cars both sexy and responsible.
Don't tell Transformer 99 about your Nazi Shitbox.:tongue:
True, NC. The Mazda design-wonks in Hiroshima have always been a bit more sporting-minded than the cautious types at Nissan or the serious young insects in Nagoya who work for Toyota. Honda needs to get its groove back, and Subaru is a bit tinny IMHO. If I were going to buy a Japanese car, I'd get a Mazda.Lex, I'd say it the other way around re: Mazdas. The Ford Fusion and most recent new Volvo are based on the Mazda6 platform, according to a recent Car and Driver. In-house Ford engineers did NOT create the Mazda6 platform. [And I only have a 5-minute commute.]
By the way, NIC160, what have you done with the Viper now that you're teaching in Korea? Have you sold it?I bought used because what I wanted new was way out of my price range. I also think this is a good way to go. You can get a real bargain... just do your homework.
A BMW engineer once told me that any 4-pot above two litres needs cylinders too large to operate without unacceptable levels of vibration.
"Errr, no I specified the BMW330i, I know this because I wrote :"
Agreed, Mercurialbliss only said new BMW 3 series, that covers a lot of territory, but even in your example: Infiniti doesn't have better power/weight ratio, but with the right gearing, that could be negligible.
The Infiniti's better braking from 60 mph, well if you are 115 feet behind someone else @ 60 mph the Infiniti stops without smashing it's front end in and the other cars rear end as well. The BMW is an incident that results in heavy body damage. ......
So 2 out of 3 categories the BMW is inferior to an Infiniti. You should have your answer, but to clarify it for you, yes, the Infiniti outhandles the BMW.
Really, Is that so ? I guess it's the same as when someone tells me the score and relays the stats of the Super Bowl, that just because I didn't play or even watch the game, who the better team was ?
And here is more on BMW mythology:
Comparison Test: 2007 BMW M6 Convertible vs. 2007 Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG
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Just so you don't think I'm being prejudiced against German cars, that's a MB vs BMW. The MB outhandles the BMW too. I don't know how someone could say that a slower and thus longer duration for a slalom run time is more enthralling though ? Unless having to pay attention to the curves/cones for longer is more enthralling ?![]()
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Errr, no:
For example, an '06 Infiniti M45 (basically a Nissan Gloria) a car with better power/weight ratio of 11.32 lbs/HP than an '06 BMW330i (13.4 lbs/HP).
Mis-read that, sorry.
Well, assuming the car in front cannot outbrake the infiniti.
Well, put the BMW in front, you won't hit it with the Infiniti, vice versa and it's a wreck.
Perhaps, on paper at the extremes of the envelope in the hands of a professional driver, but if you're seriously suggesting that in the hands of an average driver on average roads it would do so I'll lay odds you would be proven wrong. That's all myself (MB and 350Z if I understood correctly) have been saying. You chose to make more of it.
The extremes are what the vehicles are capable of, somewhere in between it is dependent upon what the driver is capable of, regardless of whether they are a novice or professional. A poorly skilled driver will suck with either vehicle, just as the professional got optimal performance with either. I don't think you like the fact that there is no discernable difference in many aspects of the results of that road test. Oh, and the roads, ok, take these two vehicles off a test track and put them on the same road, what's any different ? The two cars are capable of what they are, changing the scenery doesn't change that fact when they both go to the same road.
Yes, because all one can infer about a game from the score is the result, nothing about the actual event. The same for a track result.
What else would you need to know, in football, there are rules, penalties, injuries and turnovers that can influence the outcome and the better team can find a way to lose. But by and large the better team does win, just look at the stats for the Colts-Bears game. The better team simply won that game. Now in this road test, the track is the same, and the rules of the game are based on physics that favor neither vehicle, they simply are the laws of nature and they apply whether it's a Hyundai or Mercedes Benz, or in this case an Infiniti or BMW. The categories are the same and they were measured fairly and equally. The results, all conditions being equal, devoid of any favoritism, the Infiniti scored better.
Actually I do think you have an issue about it but like I say I could care less.
I didn't say BMWs were the best handling cars merely that they handled well, better than a great many cars on the road. I and the others who posted comments agreeing speak from experience. You speak from theory and numbers so pardon me when I place less credence on your views.
And I agree with that, but by the samer token I proved that there are many that do what a BMW does just the same and that there are those that easily exceed it's capabilities. As for speaking from theory, there is no theory, the two cars were scrutinized and thoroughly tested. Do you actually think that anything less than the extremes of what these vehicles performed at, that the Infiniti somehow gets unacceptably worse when less is demanded of it and somehow when identical expectations of the BMW are demanded that somehow it takes a turn slower, so much better than the Infiniti. That's like saying the BMW is better than the Infiniti @ a complete standstill or at the speed limit. The extremes of what these vehicles do is the ultimate judgement. That's the whole point of one being better than the other, to do something better than the other. I simply stated the superior handling of a BMW was mythical, there's just too much factual evidence that supports my statement, a g-force is a g-force on the planet earth, gravity is a constant.