What? Cigarbabe...banned??

[B_ClydeS]

I was only giving an opinion based on my experience running the site. Forgive me.

How many members have you banned, jumbo?

With a practically empty profile, an attitude in chat, and no pics from someone who's also been a member for close to 5 years. Makes me doubt that the comment to you wasn't intentionally brusque.

 

[Drifterwood]

Dont take things out of context, this is just one part of a bigger drama. Warnings were sent out. She ignored the warning, she got banned for one piddly week. Now her deluded sycophants are glorifying her as a Saint no less! Which would be effin hilarious if they werent actually being serious.

Seriously, I dont even know why she is at LPSG. All she does is whinge, moan & froth at the snout about everything here.

But she'll be back, of course. Hypocrite that she is.

I would tell you to Fuck Off if you spoke to me like this.

 

[jumbo747jet]

I was only giving an opinion based on my experience running the site. Forgive me.

How many members have you banned, jumbo?

Not very many at all, as a matter of fact.
It may surprise you but we actually want to have as many happy members as possible and only ban somebody if it's absolutely necessary.

Again, I am sorry if my earlier comment came across as condescending and rude. It was not my intention.
Earlier in this thread I had posted a link to the ToS so that anybody can see for themselves what the rules at LPSG are.

There have been a lot of changes at LPSG along the way, something which I view as very natural. I also think it's very natural that a new owner makes some changes.

 

[MisterMark]

Again, I am sorry if my earlier comment came across as condescending and rude. It was not my intention.

There have been a lot of changes at LPSG along the way, something which I view as very natural. I also think it's very natural that a new owner makes some changes.

Thank you for your comments. I do understand that changes are natural, and that the site is much busier than it was when I owned it, and it may be necessary to have more rules now.

It's just my opinion, of course, but I feel like I have to be very careful about what I say here because it appears that members are banned and suspended often. The word "draconian" comes to mind.

 

[DC_DEEP]

Consensus is needed, from what I understand - except in the case of obviously underage posters, members posting illegal content and other open and shut type stuff.

for this ban consensus amongst the mods / admins would have been needed.

Unless things have changed drastically since I got my "slap-on-the-wrist"/time out/"accidental" banning, that is utter nonsense. The one who "hit the switch" to ban me admitted that he had not "crossed his t's and dotted his i's", and explained that it meant he didn't research it at all - he just simply banned me... for "inappropriate language", which, as I understand it, isn't even a violation of the ToS.

NJ, please check facts before posting things as such.

Do they get a warning before they are banned:

That all depends on the reasons for them being warned or banned. I mean, if someone comes on and posts a whole bunch of child porn, then no, we aren't going to give them a slap on the wrist and tell them not to do it again, we're going to ban them. In most cases, people are warned prior to being banned, there are obvious exceptions, but those are few and far between.

Are they told why they are being banned:

There has been much questioning, for some years now as to whether the notes as to why someone is banned, is actually shown to the member. This was recently tested, and determined that no, these reasons are not in fact shown to the member in question and as such, we now send an email to explain why. Some do send PMs, and leave it a while before issuing the ban, but more often than not, it is by email. This is a new policy, and I'm sure it will take some time to get used to.

Do they get a chance to appeal:

Yes, if they want to.
Several of the moderators and myself have their email addresses public on the board, and many have put it to good use (well, mine at least, I won't speak for the others) If someone feels they've been unjustly banned, they are more than welcome to contact me, and I will always forward what ever they wish to be discussed to the others, as I have done with several since making my email available for all to use.

Do we ban who ever we want:

No, with the exception of the obvious (minors, child porn and so on) we discuss all heads ups, warnings, temp and perm bans, and these actions only take place once we've voted.

I did not receive a warning (I did get an email, after the fact.) I was given a "reason," but really seemed like it was a case of "ban now, make up an excuse later." A couple of the mods actually flat-out lied to me when I asked them what was going on. That's just not a good feeling, ya know?

There were way too many things that just weren't right about it when I got banned, I got not one single real explanation, and when it was apparent that it was in error, I never received one single apology from any moderator or admin. It was just kinda like, "well, one of us screwed up, but we reinstated you, so you should be happy." That was long ago, and it still does not sit well with me.

Thank you for your comments. I do understand that changes are natural, and that the site is much busier than it was when I owned it, and it may be necessary to have more rules now.

It's just my opinion, of course, but I feel like I have to be very careful about what I say here because it appears that members are banned and suspended often. The word "draconian" comes to mind.

Yes, MisterMark. You do have to be careful what you say. Very, very careful. And (again, unless things have changed very drastically in the last few months) you can get banned very easily, without ever even dancing near the lines of the ToS.

 

[HellsKitchenmanNYC]

:haha::tapedshut:

Who went crying to the mods? Sometimes u hit the report button just for the record. So they can keep track of whats going on behind the scenes, which has a bearing on what u then see in posts. I have had months of insults & baiting from her in both posts & PMs. I make all my comments to her on the message board for all to see. Finally, I report her for the very first time ever. I actually report very little here despite suggestions otherwise from members who have no clue.

Dont take things out of context, this is just one part of a bigger drama. Warnings were sent out. She ignored the warning, she got banned for one piddly week. Now her deluded sycophants are glorifying her as a Saint no less! Which would be effin hilarious if they werent actually being serious.

Seriously, I dont even know why she is at LPSG. All she does is whinge, moan & froth at the snout about everything here. She personally insults most of the moderators. Of course, its all done from the safety of another site. She is disloyal & disrespectful to LPSG. She should clear off if she hates so much about it.

But she'll be back, of course. Hypocrite that she is.

 

[D_Hyacinth Harrytwat]

It's just my opinion, of course, but I feel like I have to be very careful about what I say here because it appears that members are banned and suspended often. The word "draconian" comes to mind.

Cigarbabe still believes in the old LPSG, where everyone was an adult, they were allowed to swear, and you didn't have to be politically correct about anything. If you got someone riled up - so what - maybe you stirred up a good argument and some truths came out of it.

As already mentioned, why not hit the "ignore" button instead of the "report" button?

 

[ManlyBanisters]

Unless things have changed drastically since I got my "slap-on-the-wrist"/time out/"accidental" banning, that is utter nonsense. The one who "hit the switch" to ban me admitted that he had not "crossed his t's and dotted his i's", and explained that it meant he didn't research it at all - he just simply banned me... for "inappropriate language", which, as I understand it, isn't even a violation of the ToS.

Your ban-oops-not-a-ban happened after you'd been having a discussion with one or more mod regarding an ongoing set-to between yourself and 1BiGG1, yes? It is reasonable to assume that there had been discussion in the Mod Forum. Yes, the actual hitting of the ban button was all fucked up - I've no argument with you there - but I don't believe in the slightest it was out of the blue. In fact, I believe you were expecting it, weren't you? It was also a cumulative thing (or rather it would have been a cumulative thing had it been a real ban) and not just for 'inappropriate language'. Now I agree the faffing and the explanations (as such) were silly and the whole notion of even thinking of banning you for calling out that troll was ridiculous in the first place. My point here though is that the mods would have been discussing the situation and had decided if you did not behave as they required that you would be suspended and Pecker was acting on that when he banned you erroneously (erroneously as you had already discussed a voluntary 'cooling off' period with another mod, if memory serves).

 

[MisterMark]

There simply is no winning, the fact is, we're getting more and more reports, so clearly a % of the members, want our assistance, and we're getting complaints from both sides so there is clearly a % that doesn't too.

And it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. The more you ban people, the more others believe they have a right to demand that others be banned.

What amazes me almost daily here, is the number of people who complain about people being banned, while at the same time, demanding that we take action against someone else. You can't have it both ways.

And this is why banning is generally not a good idea. Let adults sort out their disagreements on their own. Again, there is an Ignore List feature here. It works quite well.

 

[HellsKitchenmanNYC]

Cigarbabe still believes in the old LPSG, where everyone was an adult, they were allowed to swear, and you didn't have to be politically correct about anything. If you got someone riled up - so what - maybe you stirred up a good argument and some truths came out of it.

As already mentioned, why not hit the "ignore" button instead of the "report" button?

Because some people who are on this site morning, noon and nite and have no life to speak of need to stir up crap. As they do all over this site. It's more fun for some miserable people to hit report than ignore. It's a twisted kinda fun for them. I think. No really...maybe. No really.

 

[D_Ireonsyd_Colonrinse]

super crayon: "Cigarbabe still believes in the old LPSG, where everyone was an adult, they were allowed to swear, and you didn't have to be politically correct about anything. If you got someone riled up - so what - maybe you stirred up a good argument and some truths came out of it.

As already mentioned, why not hit the "ignore" button instead of the "report" button?"

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super crayon: I don't believe I appreciate this liberal, liberating, rambunctious attitude you're espousing on these threads!

"If you got someone riled up - so what" ---???

Young lady, there are very, very delicate sensibilities that log onto a big dick website! People are here to be instructed on sexual issues - in a healthy, nurturing, safe and friendly, non-toxic environment! No arguments are to be "stirred up"! If you have nothing nice to say about this poster or that penis posted above you, then don't say anything! Talk about fondling that sleeping straight guy's cock in a civil, courteous manner. Don't get too heated on the political threads! This is a gentlemanly site.


New Rule! Think of LPSG as mexican food -- with all the brassy spices and salsas and peppers and flavorings safely removed for general public consumption. Now, this may seem a bit bland, but.... no delicate sensibilities will be offended this way.


Good luck to everyone. - Big smile! -- Be pleasant.

signed,
Big Brother

 

[MisterMark]

New Rule! Think of LPSG as mexican food -- with all the brassy spices and salsas and peppers and flavorings safely removed for general public consumption. Now, this may seem a bit bland, but.... no delicate sensibilities will be offended this way.

What?! Hey - I have Mexican friends. I'm offended! You should be banned! :crying:

:tongue:

 

[HellsKitchenmanNYC]

super crayon: "Cigarbabe still believes in the old LPSG, where everyone was an adult, they were allowed to swear, and you didn't have to be politically correct about anything. If you got someone riled up - so what - maybe you stirred up a good argument and some truths came out of it.

As already mentioned, why not hit the "ignore" button instead of the "report" button?"

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super crayon: I don't believe I appreciate this liberal, liberating, rambunctious attitude you're espousing on these threads!

"If you got someone riled up - so what" ---???

Young lady, there are very, very delicate sensibilities that log onto a big dick website! People are here to be instructed on sexual issues - in a healthy, nurturing, safe and friendly, non-toxic environment! No arguments are to be "stirred up"! If you have nothing nice to say about this poster or that penis posted above you, then don't say anything! Talk about fondling that sleeping straight guy's cock in a civil, courteous manner. Don't get too heated on the political threads! This is a gentlemanly site.


New Rule! Think of LPSG as mexican food -- with all the brassy spices and salsas and peppers and flavorings safely removed for general public consumption. Now, this may seem a bit bland, but.... no delicate sensibilities will be offended this way.


Good luck to everyone. - Big smile! -- Be pleasant.

signed,
Big Brother

Think of it as a smorgasbord! You need lots of ingredients to make one and they don't always agree w/your intestines! :biggrin1:

 

[Not_Punny]

So who was it?

May as well tell us all who the tattle-tale is so we can go ahead and put him on our ignore lists now.

There's something faintly oxymoronic about this posting.... :biggrin1:

 

[vince]

New Rule! Think of LPSG as mexican food -- with all the brassy spices and salsas and peppers and flavorings safely removed for general public consumption. Now, this may seem a bit bland, but.... no delicate sensibilities will be offended this way.


Good luck to everyone. - Big smile! -- Be pleasant.

Wonderful, take away the favour, the spice and the heat. All you're left with is gas.

 

[DC_DEEP]

Your ban-oops-not-a-ban happened after you'd been having a discussion with one or more mod regarding an ongoing set-to between yourself and 1BiGG1, yes? It is reasonable to assume that there had been discussion in the Mod Forum. Yes, the actual hitting of the ban button was all fucked up - I've no argument with you there - but I don't believe in the slightest it was out of the blue. In fact, I believe you were expecting it, weren't you? It was also a cumulative thing (or rather it would have been a cumulative thing had it been a real ban) and not just for 'inappropriate language'. Now I agree the faffing and the explanations (as such) were silly and the whole notion of even thinking of banning you for calling out that troll was ridiculous in the first place. My point here though is that the mods would have been discussing the situation and had decided if you did not behave as they required that you would be suspended and Pecker was acting on that when he banned you erroneously (erroneously as you had already discussed a voluntary 'cooling off' period with another mod, if memory serves).

It may be reasonable to "assume" that it was discussed in the mod forum? Perhaps. Three moderators, however, told me that they were as surprised as was I. That seemed a bit suspicious to me. And no, I was not expecting it.

Your point here, though, that the mods had already discussed it is not relevant. When Freddie and I had our discussion, it was between friends, not between a mod and a member. I was not violating the ToS. I received no warning. No one, at any time, said "you are not violating the ToS, but you are offending people, so if it continues, you will be banned."

Nope.

You can assume all you care to, but until a moderator tells me that they had reached a concensus to ban me, your assumptions mean nothing. The fact is, I had not posted in DAYS when Pecker pulled the plug. That's not just sloppy, it's downright offensive. Not only that neither he nor the other moderators chose to consider my YEARS of post history, but they allowed the whims of a troll who had been a member LESS THAN A MONTH, and posted with knowledge from two years before his "join date," to take precedence.

 

[Not_Punny]

Enter the ominous, thinly-veiled threat as the ubiquitous response to any perceived questioning of the authority of those in power...


The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers...

*faints*

Ohhhh, I just LOVE those BIG, beautiful words!!!


(Too bad. Were I to start a Large Word Support Group, few would join.) :biggrin1:


* SORRY TO INTERRUPT THE MORE SERIOUS DISCUSSIONS *

 

[D_Relentless Original]

Have i fallen into the Twilight Zone or something here ?.

From what people are saying unless it is made up she wanted to be banned, didn't she push the boundaries to do so ?.

She will be back soon so what is the big deal ?.

It amazes me how some people can be banned and no comment is passed and other people can be banned which develops a thread of 6 pages already.

People love drama i guess or a chance to attack the
" Authority " as someone put it .

 

[HazelGod]

*faints*

Ohhhh, I just LOVE those BIG, beautiful words!!!

They're not just big, baby...I can keep my mouth going all night long, too. :wink:

 

[HellsKitchenmanNYC]

Have i fallen into the Twilight Zone or something here ?.

From what people are saying unless it is made up she wanted to be banned, didn't she push the boundaries to do so ?.

She will be back soon so what is the big deal ?.

It amazes me how some people can be banned and no comment is passed and other people can be banned which develops a thread of 6 pages already.

People love drama i guess or a chance to attack the
" Authority " as someone put it .

Oh this is nothing. Maybe you missed the real psychodrama in December! :biggrin1: