What constitutes harassment?

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SP I didn'tcome out to attack you , I suggested that all the Sr8t guy that you said were offending you in PM that lashing back out at them in public makes you appear to be the bully from someone who just became new to the chat. Pushing back fire with fire is not helping any, and its making the Chat room look like a violitile warfare. and you said that If I can't handle that that I should leave.


So everytime I chat on the site to even chat in the same space, I'm accuse of stalking you. Then yes I feel intimidated that I am not wanted.

Your friends tell me that I need to give you some time to show your soft side that you are not what you appear to be, and I can go along with that notion, that's why I spoke up about how you appear to me when you just got done demoralizing a person for whatever reason. When you talk harsh and insult harsh, then my postering to deal with you is going to be somewhat defensive. All the guys you complain about may have ended up there from self prophesizing the outcome with your attitude. A lot of people are afraid of you and then when you brag about how close you are to Kotch, makes them feel powerless to do anything about it.

As for the joking a ribbing that normally pass for entertainment. I am all for that, but its makes it hard to do that when there is real mean spirited intent in the Chat room. Kinds of ruin the fun for everyone.
 

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Is one incident enough to be deemed harassment, or can there only be harassment if there are several incidents?

Harassment doesn't have to be repeated. However, usually it's considered harassment only if the harasser has been informed or is obviously aware that he or she is harassing someone.

Because sometimes people are naturally overbearing, or neurotic, or socially inept, et cetera, and don't realize that they're harassing someone else.

So, my advice is if you're feeling harassed, inform the harasser you feel you're being harassed, you don't like it, and you want it to stop. And if it continues after that, you need to have something done about it.
 

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Are you referring to real life, or cyber-world?

The cyber world. I know that the mods have been debating the definition of harassment for a while, and that some think that repeated offenses should be focused on more than single incidents. I thought that I'd take this argument to us groundlings.

He then went off on one claiming it was I who had tried to instigate a conversation on incest and from what he said in the chat room made a complaint against me.

Last night out of the blue he attacked me for being mean, the man is holding a grudge because I said I didn't believe the size he said he was.

This will be all I'm saying on this matter, my reputation in the chat room will have to talk for me :)

No worries there, SP. You have a sterling reputation. You've been on this site since the dawn of time with no noticeable blemishes. I think that you came down hard on sugarandspice, but then she wasn't the most pleasant person. Besides, many people were harsh with her.

I can recall when you had more rep points than anyone, and yes, I'm still bitter.

None of the definitions of harassment which I found specifically stated that the harassment was ongiing. Though IMO I thought that was assumed to be the case.

I think that if I told you to "fuck off" once, that's not harassment. If I followed you around this site and continually told you to "fuck off" then that would be harassment, no?

Harassment doesn't have to be repeated. However, usually it's considered harassment only if the harasser has been informed or is obviously aware that he or she is harassing someone.

Because sometimes people are naturally overbearing, or neurotic, or socially inept, et cetera, and don't realize that they're harassing someone else.

So, my advice is if you're feeling harassed, inform the harasser you feel you're being harassed, you don't like it, and you want it to stop. And if it continues after that, you need to have something done about it.

Words of wisdom. If the person is warned and the offenses still continue then that is certainly harassment in my book.

FWIW, I'm not feeling harassed. I made this post purely to discuss the definition of [cyber] harassment.
 

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it sounds like this goes on in the chatrooms. Aren't most of the people usually drunk in the chatrooms?
Nope, not to my knowledge. When people are obviously drunk or stoned posting in chat they are usually ridiculed and ignored as they are less than coherent.

i was told that if something makes you feel uncomfortable in any way, it is harassment.
That is what most HR manuals say.
 

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No worries there, SP. You have a sterling reputation. You've been on this site since the dawn of time with no noticeable blemishes. I think that you came down hard on sugarandspice, but then she wasn't the most pleasant person. Besides, many people were harsh with her.

Agreed. You want HRH as a friend for she is very wise and has a very sensitive bullshit detector.
 

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To be fair, SP chat tonite was much much better and I may be wrong about her, and just catch a right cross in being in the wrong place at the wrong time. But this thread is not devoted to her, there were, like Kotch says, multitude of others. There is an old saying "you can attract more flies with Honey, then vinager" and I think thats pretty much I wanted to say to SP. I only had one guy keep telling me I have a small cock and that's about it. I haven't had a single person PM me about someone I shouldn't trust or bitch about my friends list. It's true I didn't get off on the right foot with SP, but she isn't on top of my list, or that bad like she makes herself out to be. But since she threw herself in the mix, I responded.

My father had a court order divorce because of his abuse to my sister, so I am sensitive to any comments in that regard. But I'll let it go, and I think SP made a effort to lay off me. That nite she had several people she had a problems with and I may have been thrown in the mix. It was my first nite in the chat, and I had no idea what to expect, as of all the chats I been to, this one was totally different, and that interest me.

At this point She is no longer my issue or concern. It was a nice dig on making sure nobody cries in the chat.

The guy that keep telling me I have small dick, had a much smaller one. So I don't get the penis humiliation trip. I didn't bother with that, and actually thought of it as a compliment. So thinking back maybe what I saw was purposefull bashing?

Kind of why I just copy and paste of what was going on and let the mod decide.
 

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None of the definitions of harassment which I found specifically stated that the harassment was ongiing.
None? Really?

From just the first ten of your own link..
Definitions of harassment on the Web:
  • a feeling of intense annoyance caused by being tormented; "so great was his harassment that he wanted to destroy his tormentors"
  • the act of tormenting by continued persistent attacks and criticism
    wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
  • Harassment refers to a wide spectrum of offensive behaviour. The term commonly refers to behaviour intended to be disturbing, and, when the term is used in a legal sense, it refers to behaviours which are found threatening or disturbing. ...
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harassment
  • This page deals with harassment in terms of UK law. It is intended to outline the procedure behind making and investigating harassment claims in the workplace.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harassment_(UK)
  • harass - annoy continually or chronically; "He is known to harry his staff when he is overworked"; "This man harasses his female co-workers"
  • harass - exhaust by attacking repeatedly; "harass the enemy"
    wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
  • harassed - annoyed: troubled persistently especially with petty annoyances; "harassed working mothers"; "a harried expression"; "her poor pestered father had ...
    wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn
  • The Harassed - "The Harassed" is the twelfth episode of American sitcom Frasier season 10.
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Harassed
  • harass - To fatigue or to tire with repeated and exhausting efforts; To annoy endlessly or systematically; to molest; to put excessive burdens upon; to ...
    en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Harass
  • Persistent words, conduct or actions directed at an individual that badger, annoy, threaten or cause substantial emotional distress. When based on race, sex, religion, or any other protected class, harassment becomes an equal opportunity matter.
    admin.utep.edu/Default.aspx

Harassment doesn't have to be repeated. However, usually it's considered harassment only if the harasser has been informed or is obviously aware that he or she is harassing someone.

So, my advice is if you're feeling harassed, inform the harasser you feel you're being harassed, you don't like it, and you want it to stop. And if it continues after that, you need to have something done about it.

Continuation would count as repetition.

The single incident harassment occasions tend to revolve around sexual issues in the workplace. Nobody's livelihood or employment rests in the hands of another LPSG member so that worry is out, and since this is a sex site (are people really not aware of this when they join?) it's should be expected that someone, at some point, will make a pass at you. If it is unwelcome then the options are to tell them so or simply put them on ignore. PMs now come with a report feature so any additional unwelcome attention from them can be sent to the mods for action.
 

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I'm feeling harassed by all this talk of harassment... :biggrin:

J/k.

But I'm glad I don't go to the chat room. This confirms my view of it as a scary, hairy place! :eek:

Now, don't mind me and carry on....
 

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. Nope your name isn't in there. You must not be harassment worthy. Sorry, try again next year.

So it was you ? !!!!!!

Been trying my hardest to Harass hootie/he appears to be unHarassable?(lpsg ... POLICE')
( i so want to get on his list in this 009 year ..of--maybe 1 month a year lpsg does not qualify me ..for) hah
enz
 

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Continuation would count as repetition.

And, as both myself and some of the definitions you quoted pointed out, it doesn't necessarily have to be repeated for it to qualify as harassment.

Them continuing to do it would make it actionable, in my opinion. It doesn't, however, mean that the initial act was any less "harassment".